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Info-Mac Digest Wed, 10 Oct 90 Volume 8 : Issue 169 Today's Topics: [*] Compactor 1.21 [*] CreateStack xcmd [*] Default 2.1 [*] Mac/gnuucp 2.6 [*] MacCribbage 0.8 [*] MacPassword.hqx Big Screen Command line shell for Mac DeskWriter and LocalTalk Diamond Demo EMC software for Mac? Ethernet Cards Full Page Displays HDFD problems Hypercard and Sounds jasmine returns? Looking for info on Menu Screen Dump Mac Populations MPW C++ dump/load don't work? Plotting in Mathematica setting font sizes for fred-windows STAT PACKS ON MACS StuffIt Transfer to VM/CMS Why does my machine keep hanging? X windows on the Mac Your Info-Mac Moderators are Bill Lipa, Lance Nakata, and Jon Pugh. The Info-Mac archives are available (by using FTP, account anonymous, any password) in the info-mac directory on sumex-aim.stanford.edu [36.44.0.6]. Help files are in /info-mac/help. Indices are in /info-mac/help/recent-files.txt and /info-mac/help/all-files.txt. Please send articles and binaries to info-mac@sumex-aim.stanford.edu. Send administrative mail to info-mac-request@sumex-aim.stanford.edu. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Wed, 1 Aug 90 13:57:23 EDT From: Kenneth Sussmann (PBMA) <sussmann@pica.army.mil> Subject: [*] Compactor 1.21 Here is Compactor 1.21, an excellent file compression program. Written by Bill Goodman, it is shareware costing $ 25.00. It compacts files better than Stuffit and faster. Folders can be created within the archive and files added or extracted from them. [Archived as /info-mac/util/compactor-121.hqx; 108K] ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 26 Jul 90 10:21:49 EDT From: "Adam C. Engst" <PV9Y%CORNELLA.BITNET@forsythe.stanford.edu> Subject: [*] CreateStack xcmd Grr, sorry about that... I received a request for this XCMD from someone who said it wasn't at sumex, so I said I'd send it along again... This is Frederic Rinaldi's CreateStack XCMD, which allows you to create a new stack under script control, which was impossible before. Adam [Archived as /info-mac/card/xcmd/create-stack.hqx; 17K] ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 26 Jul 90 22:43:53 PDT From: lim@iris.ucdavis.edu (Lloyd Lim) Subject: [*] Default 2.1 Here is the new version 2.1 of the Default CDEF. The Default CDEF is a simple aid for Macintosh programmers that draws default button outlines for any size buttons, in the proper color, in your application and in ResEdit dialog and alert templates. Push buttons, check boxes, and radio buttons can also be drawn using the window's font. +++ Lloyd Lim Internet: lim@iris.ucdavis.edu (128.120.57.20) Compuserve: 72647,660 US Mail: 146 Lysle Leach Hall, U.C. Davis, Davis, CA 95616 [Archived as /info-mac/tech/default-21.hqx; 11K] ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 28 Jul 90 23:35:21 EDT From: odell@bu-it.bu.edu (Jim O'Dell) Subject: [*] Mac/gnuucp 2.6 Mac/gnuucp is a port of the Free Software FoundationUs GNUUCP to the Macintosh. As with all of the Free Software Foundation code, complete source code is available and will be posted to the net soon. Mac/gnuucp actually consists of two separate pieces a Hypercard card through whcih mail is read and sent and the communications program itself. The program has successfully communicated with SunUs, DEC Vaxes running, COMPAQ 386Us and remote copies of itself. In addition to standard Unix UUCP compatibility the program supports mailing lists, called aliases and customization through a gnuucp.ctl file. Mail is delivered to users by writing the mail to a standard Macintosh file. Because of this, a group of users on almost any type of Appletalk network can use the program to send mail locally and to the internet. A complete manual is included along with instructions for registering your Mac on the internet and for obtaining a domain name. Information is also included on finding a "Well Connected" internet host. Questions or inquiries to: jim@fpr.com [Archived as /info-mac/comm/mac-gnuucp-26.hqx; 228K] ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 27 Jul 90 16:00 EDT From: <MHOUSER%COLGATEU.BITNET@forsythe.stanford.edu> Subject: [*] MacCribbage 0.8 This is the first release of MacCribbage. This game has an intuitive interface for cribbage which closely simulates the actual playing of cribbage while holding true to the Macintosh User Interface Guidelines. This program is released as shareware ($5). Michael T. Houser Shari M. Houser InterStellar SoftWare 2 Graystone Avenue Granby, MA 01033 [Archived as /info-mac/game/mac-cribbage-08.hqx; 94K] ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 27 Jul 90 13:40:45 -0500 From: Paul Broe <broe@plains.nodak.edu> Subject: [*] MacPassword.hqx This is the latest (v3.80) version of MacPassword. Remember to read the documentation before using this the first time. It is a demo version. For information on registering and getting the full version, read the documentation included in this stuffit archive. Disclaimer: I am not affiliated in any way with the author of MacPassword or Evergreen Software except as a satisfied registered user. Paul Broe broe@plains.nodak.edu [Archived as /info-mac/demo/macpassword-380.hqx; 237K] ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 10 Oct 90 14:40:56 PLT From: Wayne Joerding <JOERD@wsuvm1.csc.wsu.edu> Subject: Big Screen I am interested in purchasing a two page monitor for my MacII and am considering three low cost models by Mirror, Ehman, and MegaGraphics. Does anybody have experience with these monitors that might help me make a choice. Any assistance would be appreciated. Bitnet:JOERD@WSUVM1 Thanks, Wayne Joerding ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 9 Oct 90 12:37:16 EDT From: dmg@retina.mitre.org (David Gursky) Subject: Command line shell for Mac Many years ago, in the early days of the Macintosh, someone wrote a DA that enabled you to operate the Mac using a Unix-like command shell. Does anyone know the name of this DA, or have a copy of it? ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 10 Oct 90 09:38:00 CDT From: knight@swfmc1.sinet.slb.com (Francis Knight SIEMUK ) Subject: DeskWriter and LocalTalk Oh you lucky people! A couple of weeks ago I posted an inquiry seeking enlightenment on the status of the HP DeskWriter in a networked environment. Many thanks to the people who sent me messages. All the replies I had were from the Western side of the Atlantic. The scam was that for a sum varying in estimation from $130 to $160, one could send one's original serial DW to HP and have it return in LocalTalk form, with the updated Vers 2.0 driver. Apparently this driver still doesn't do background printing, according to a corresponent inside HP (the recent revision of the PaintJet driver does- we have it here). I took our DW to bits to scope the job; It would have taken me less than 5 minutes, due to the superb design, so I can't see why even local dealers couldn't do upgrades. I heard from my local dealer that there is a fair heap of old machines in the warehouses, so intending UK purchasers would do well to specify which type they want. Or look out for good deals on the serial type. I just spent a while on the phone to HP UK. The first person assumed I was on about Novell networks, and the second sounded like she hadn't encountered the question before. The answer she came back with was bad news: the option is not available to UK customers, but she did offer me a _brochure_ on the new machine as consolation. Disappointed isn't the word. Francis K =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= Francis H Knight | knight@swfmc1.sinet.slb.com Schlumberger Industries | Felixstowe, UK | | -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 10 Oct 90 13:09:54 EDT From: Cameron_Esfahani@ub.cc.umich.edu Subject: Diamond Demo I would like to thank everyone for their suggestions and mailed copies of Diamond Demo. I anonymous ftp-ed it from ub.cc.umich.edu, it was called DEMO/DIAMOND. Again though, does anyone know of any PD, shareware, FREE raytracers for the Mac other than the raytracer already in the archives here? Thanks again. Cameron (6yhn) ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 10 Oct 90 10:11:35 CDT From: knight@swfmc1.sinet.slb.com (Francis Knight SIEMUK ) Subject: EMC software for Mac? Hi! It's me again. 1992 is a magic number over here. If you make Electromagnetic Compatibility (EMC) testing equipment, and you recite this magic number, people become gripped by an urge to throw money at you. Well, we're in the process of gathering our pile of green and crinklies together, and deciding who to take aim at. We have an EMC susceptibility test facility at the moment, controlled by an ageing HP85B, with software written by a (rapidly) ageing Engineer (guess who). It's highly likely that a new machine will arrive to drive the upgraded facility. Over the past couple of weeks, we have visited EMC consultants to test a development product, and observed their operations with our upgrade in mind. On this basis, I've decided that sitting for hours on end in a screened room fighting with clunky DOS-Windows software isn't for me. The software repeatedly stopped with 'Perverse system response detected' or some such, which got very wearing. So, I've got a chance to start another BuyaMac campaign. Has anyone any experience or knowledge of wondrous Mac-based EMC susceptibility testing software which will help my task in an anti-Mac environment? Please! Thanks, all Francis K =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= Francis H Knight | knight@swfmc1.sinet.slb.com Schlumberger Industries | Felixstowe, UK | | -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 10 Oct 90 17:44:31 MDT From: dick%arisia.ta52@lanl.gov (Dick Wiley (system)) Subject: Ethernet Cards The Interlan MacConnect NIA310 Ethernet card for the Mac works fine with systems through 6.0.4, but if you are planning on installing A/UX 2.0 you would be wise to choose another card. There is no A/UX driver for the NIA310, and I understand that Racal does not plan to produce one for at least six months. Dick Wiley dick@arisia.ta52.lanl.gov ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 10 Oct 90 15:01 EDT From: <PJORGENS%COLGATEU.BITNET@forsythe.stanford.edu> (Peter Jorgensen) Subject: Full Page Displays Greetings, We are looking for recommendations (positive or negative) regarding Full Page Displays (also known as Portrait Displays). We want to connect one to a Mac SE. Price is, of course, a factor, but so is quality and especially reliability. If you have experience with a particular brand/model I would be interested in your impressions. Please respond directly to me and I will summarize to the net. Thanks in advance. Peter Jorgensen Microcomputer specialist Colgate University - Hamilton, NY 13346 AppleLink - U0523 BITNET - PJORGENSEN@COLGATEU tel - 315-824-1000 ext 742 ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 10 Oct 90 19:54:53 +0200 From: "David L. Hirschberg" <BNHIRSCH%WEIZMANN.BITNET@forsythe.stanford.edu> Subject: HDFD problems Hi, I am having problems with the high density floppy drive in my SE/30. I bought my Mac in June of 1989 and have already suffered from a "Quantum crash" which was compounded by the fact that I am in school in Israel and Apple Israel does not honor US warranties. The drive can not format disks at 800K. It was always a little quirky at formatting 1.44 MB disks. I thought is was a problem with the disks, so I only used 800K. About 6 months ago I noticed that a high percentage of my 800K disks would fail when I tried to reformat them or when I would copy large files onto them. I just assumed that it was because I was using cheap disks or the dusty conditions here. Tonight I have gone through about 10 disks and many of them are new. I used Sum II to check a few of the disks that gave me a error message when I tried to copy a large file. I was told that there were bad blocks at the end of the disk. I had checked these disks before I brought them home and there were no bad blocks. All the bad disks can be formatted at 400K. So what is going on and how much is it going to cost me? Is anyone else having problems with their HDFD? Any help or advice you can give me would be appreciated. Thank you David L. Hirschberg ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 10 Oct 90 21:05:50 GMT (Postman Pat ver 3.1) From: Drew <AL.Radtke%bradford.ac.uk@forsythe.stanford.edu> Subject: Hypercard and Sounds Ok, I'm going to have to admit defeat on this one. I have a sound which has been recorded at the wrong sampling rate, and it is very hard for me to get it re sampled. I have been trying to get Hypercard's "play" command to get it to play at the right speed. However I can't get it to work. The best I can do is this which plays the sample (which is called "Ramair1") at the sampled (slow) speed and then afterwards at the correct speed. on mouseUp play "ramair1" w..... "66" end mouseUp I'm sure it must be possible to get round this problem. Has anybody any ideas? Drew Radtke University of Bradford, UK ------------------------------ Date: Tue 9 Oct 90 07:04:18-HST From: Harold Miller <CNET2SH@uhccvx.uhcc.hawaii.edu> Subject: jasmine returns? Jasmine just called to say that a drive I sent in for repair 1 year ago is finally being fixed and returned. I have a lab that I put together 2 years ago with 16 20M Jasmine drives, and, of course, they are failing left-and-right. Has anyone had any success in getting Jasmine to repair out-of-warranty drives at NO CHARGE? After all, the drives failed because (a) Jasmine made an inferior drive and (b) some of the drives failed while under warranty but Jasmine wasn't around to honor it! Thanks! Harold Miller Media Coordinator Seabury Hall Maui, Hawaii CNET2SH@UHCCVX.BITNET Applelink: K1993 ------- ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 9 Oct 90 13:11:10 EDT From: carol@platypus.uofs.edu (Carol Herre) Subject: Looking for info on Menu Screen Dump Dear Info-Mac members: I am looking for information on a MacIntosh public domain routine called Menu Screen Dump. It supposedly allows screen dumps with the menu bar omitted. I would like to know if the routine is available via anonymous ftp, or any other method of securing a copy. Thanks for the assistance. Carol Herre University of Scranton; Scranton, PA PLEASE RESPOND TO ME DIRECTLY, I AM NOT A MEMBER OF THE LIST. ch email carol@platypus.uofs.edu CLH702@scranton.bitnet ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 10 Oct 90 11:45:05 CDT From: knight@swfmc1.sinet.slb.com (Francis Knight SIEMUK ) Subject: Mac Populations ..and again! I had a thought-provoking conversation with a Mac software distributor the other day. We were bemoaning the poor showing of the Mac in the UK, and he mentioned the following statistics. UK Mac population: 120 000 (UK human population ~ 60 M) Australia Mac pop: 150 000 (Aus human population ~ 15 M) So, 1 Mac per 100 head of Australian population, 1 per 500 UK population. Ever since the micro boom, the UK has been patting itself on its collective back for being computer-literate, but these figures make me wonder if this is unfounded. I suppose overall Micros/head could be higher in the UK, but could widespread knowledge of one operating system, ie DOS, be called literate any more than people having knowledge of only one book? I suspect the problem goes back to the early days when there was a spring flush of indigenous manufacturers. Most of the UK's early hackers were assembling Tangerine systems or tying their fingers in knots on ZX80's. When the first Apple II's arrived, they went for a less crowded market, the small businesses. And that's become a habit that still persists, it seems to me. Anyway, does anybody have comparative figures for other countries which might be of interest to other netters? Cheers, Francis K. =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= Francis H Knight | knight@swfmc1.sinet.slb.com Schlumberger Industries | Felixstowe, UK | | -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- ------------------------------ Date: 09 Oct 90 14:24 GMT From: LAICHI.SPT@applelink.apple.com (Axis, Hector Rojas, Chile,ICC) Subject: MPW C++ dump/load don't work? Can anybody tell me if the MPW C++ compiler directives to "dump" and "load" symbol tables work? I haven't tried this out myself, but a developer I know complained that these directives (similar to MPW C #pragma dump and load) didn't work. We are using MPW C++ version 3.1bX (I don't remember what beta release, but we received it recently from APDA). Thanks for any help you can give me! -- Thomas Fruin Apple Chile AppleLink: LAICHI.SPT laichi.spt@applelink.apple.com ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 09 Oct 90 13:43:33 EDT From: Tom P <TPRUSA@sbccvm> Subject: Plotting in Mathematica To more experienced Mathematica Users: When I use the Plot command in Mathematica I get a list of the points in the plot instead of the plotted (or graphed) figure. Can someone please tell me what I am doing wrong... Am I supposed to be setting an option? tom ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 10 Oct 90 17:18:44 -0400 (EDT) From: Nicholas Kushmerick <nk09+@andrew.cmu.edu> Subject: setting font sizes for fred-windows I want to be able to change the font specification (specifically, the size) of a fred-window. The problem is that when I change from a larger to a smaller font, the font itself changes, but the spacing between lines (leading?) does not, so the window appears double-spaced. Here's what I do: (let* ((the-fred <some fred window>)) (the-buffer (ask the-fred (window-buffer))) (new-font <some font spec>)) ; do all the characters in the buffer (buffer-set-font-spec the-buffer new-font :start 0 :end (buffer-size the-buffer)) ; do the insertion font (buffer-set-font-spec the-buffer new-font) ; set the window-font (ask the-fred (set-window-font new-font)) ; X ; redraw everything (ask the-fred (view-draw-contents))) Curious additional detail: If the-fred happens to be the listener window (i.e., *top-listener*), this code works just fine. But, if I get rid of the line marked X, the same thing happens to listeners as well. I changed everything that I could think of; what else should I be doing? How does setting the font for the buffer interact with setting the font for the window with which the buffer is associated? -- Nick ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 10 Oct 90 16:05:54 EDT From: Christian <EAE102%URIACC.BITNET@ricevm1.rice.edu> Subject: STAT PACKS ON MACS The powers that be at our site are considering populating our Mac labs with copies of a statistical package, probably MINITAB. What kind of statistical software do you run on your Mac(s)? Is it sufficient for you or your users? If you license Minitab, please let me know what kind of licensing you are doing, site license or lab license. Thanks for your help. ====================================================================== Christian Vye "Reality is still the best place University of Rhode Island to get a good steak." Academic Computer Center, User Services --Woody Allen Kingston, RI 02881 Tel.: 401/792-2501 Fax: 401/789-4040 E-Mail: EAE102@URIACC.URI.EDU or EAE102@URIACC ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 10 Oct 90 09:13 CDT From: <MWW%TNTECH.BITNET@forsythe.stanford.edu> (Michael W. Wheeler) Subject: StuffIt >Received: From ARIZVM1(MAILER) by TNTECH with Jnet id 8069 > for MWW@TNTECH; Tue, 9 Oct 90 19:51 CDT >Received: from ARIZVM1 (SHANKMAS) by ARIZVM1.CCIT.ARIZONA.EDU (Mailer R2.07) > with BSMTP id 8994; Tue, 09 Oct 90 17:49:20 MST >Date: Tue, 09 Oct 90 17:43:09 MST >From: Steve Shankman <SHANKMAS@ARIZVM1> >Subject: stuffit >To: mww@tntech > >PLEASE tell me if you get an answer to your question concerning stuffit >troubles...I've had the same problem many times...I tried downloading "fortune" >part 1 through 3 and I can't use it due to a bad archive...or sometimes I >try to decode a binhex file and I get an EOF error. > >Thanks for your help. As far as your trouble with "fortune" it might be that "fortune" is not a StuffIt archive but is a PackIt archive instead. The proper way to unpack it with StuffIt is to use the "Other" menu and choose the "unpack" option instead of trying to use the "File" menu to "Open" it as a StuffIt archive. I hope this will help you with that problem. Now, about that EOF error; that is probably caused by the binhex file not having a line that *BEGINS* with (This file must be converted with BinHex 4.0) If it cannot find the above line left justified it will read all the way to the end of the file tring to find it to no avail hence the EOF error message. One reason for this might be that the file might have been send to you in "Listserv-Punch" format or "LPunch" format. This is done for files that have records larger than 80 characters. For instance the game GO.HQX was sent to me this way. So you must first unLPunch it with some utility. I wrote my own program to do it because I couldn't find one anywhere. Here is an excerpt from GO.HQX so that you can see what LPunch format looks like. 64/1/This is public domain, so you may give it to friends and post to 16/1/bulletin boards. 1/1/ 8/1/Regards, 3/1/Jim 45/1/(This file must be converted with BinHex 4.0) 1/1/ 64/1/:!NG[!%&38%a(6dG2)!#3"J'*llT`!*!%!3!!!BEN!!'&j!!!!`YdFQ9QER9Y#R" 64/1/bD@jdCJT`GA4c#JS!r$)d0JS!!%iJ,J*(EdF#!*!$39"36%G24dmK!*!+E`#3"N& 64/1/38%a(6dG2)3#3%`(B!!#ELXar!*!&!BR[0$B+'$!Z!!`JEJ!)jB""k#Cbd-!J%#e As you can see each line is prefixed with "x/n/text" where "x" is the number of characters in the original line of text -- where "n" is the number of lines in the lpunch file that make up the original line -- and where "text" is the actual text of the message. You will notice that the line that is supposed to read as follows: (This file must be converted with BinHex 4.0) now instead reads: 45/1/(This file must be converted with BinHex 4.0) This will confuse the program that is trying to unbinhex the file and cause it to get an EOF error. I hope this solves the EOF error for you. Michael W. Wheeler (Bitnet: mww@tntech) VAX/VMS Systems Support Specialist Tennessee Technological University Box 5071 Cookeville, TN 38505 (615) 372-3977 ------------------------------ Date: WED, 10 Oct 90 11:23:40 EDT From: "Marc Dionne" <TRRMICR%UQTR.UQuebec.CA@forsythe.stanford.edu> Subject: Transfer to VM/CMS We want to transfert some text file form Macintosh to IBM VM/CMS. I plan to use binhex4 in my Mac to encode my text file to be sur to not lose some caractere and I look for, or I will write, a program who will decode that. To write the program, I need the specification of the format of a binhex4 file. So, does someones could send me the specification of the format of a binhex4 file or if you have a program who decode binhex4 in an IBM, I interested to. Thanks in advance, Marc Dionne Service de l'informatique Universite du Quebec a Trois-Rivieres 3351 Boul. Des Forges Trois-Rivieres, Quebec, Canada G9A 5H7 TRRMICR@UQUEBEC.CA (819) 376-5100 ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 9 Oct 90 8:31 GMT From: Big Nose <LAWA%IAPE.AFRC.AC.UK@forsythe.stanford.edu> Subject: Why does my machine keep hanging? Dear All My Mac has started playing up. When I put floppies into the drive, if I move the mouse before the disk has been fully mounted, then it frequently hangs the whole machine up. I suspected that Gatekeeper Aid may be responsible, since it should be busy doing its thing right at the point that the problem occurs. When I checked the version number of GKA in my system folder, I noticed that the icon for the GKA document was missing, and instead all I got was the plain old generic icon. The icon does show up when I boot from a floppy. Rebuilding the desktop has not helped. The bundle bit in GKA is not set, but then neither is it on the copy on the floppy boot disk, and that one seems to know what the icon looks like OK. In the mean time, the problem continues apace. So far the crash hasn't come during anything important. I'd hate it to happen in the middle of a backup/restore though. Anyone got any ideas? Relevant information :- Gatekeeper 1.1.1 (26th June 1989), GKA 1.0.2 (5th Aug 1990), System 6.0.3, Mac SE, 2MB, FDHD, 20MB Hard Disk. other pertinent INITs:- Boomerang 2.0B9 (31st Jan 1989) (I have an old version 'cos it's free!!) Thanks for any suggestions, Andy LAWA @ UK.AC.AFRC.IAPE Big Nose in Edinburgh. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 10 Oct 90 15:54:55 -0400 From: fgodfrey@rodan.acs.syr.edu Subject: X windows on the Mac I would like to that all of those who gave me the titles of X window software for the Mac. The list of titles is: eXodus from White Pine Software MacX from Apple. If anyone could throw in a PD or shareware title (and where it resides), I'll still accept that too. Again thanks a lot! "Be seeing you." ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Francis N. Godfrey |Computing and Network Services|"It was the server Syracuse University|Micro Cluster Support | that did it"-Mystery fgodfrey@SUVM.BITNET ATTACHTO Standard.disclaimer|fgodfrey@rodan.acs.syr.edu ------------------------------ End of Info-Mac Digest ******************************