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Info-Mac Digest Tue, 23 Oct 90 Volume 8 : Issue 176 Today's Topics: [*] Disinfectant 2.3 [*] DiskDoubler Expand INIT [*] macpost-10b2 [*] TappyType 1.36 [*] UU-decode version 2.0.1 Accessing Chooser "User Name" using Toolbox calls Backdoor to HC2.0? Configuring a Dinosaur For SAM 2.0 Users Help finish AppleShare XCMD! Hypercard 2.0 & sys error HyperCOMs includes HC 2.0 Interfacing DEC LN03 Laser Printer to Macintosh MacinTalk Need info on digitizing tablet hard- & software pagemaker 4.0 print problem ResEdit, Font/DA Mover problems The Truth About My Bombs: A Summary (blush, blush!) Use of Mews and netnews reader Your Info-Mac Moderators are Bill Lipa, Lance Nakata, and Jon Pugh. The Info-Mac archives are available (by using FTP, account anonymous, any password) in the info-mac directory on sumex-aim.stanford.edu [36.44.0.6]. Help files are in /info-mac/help. Indices are in /info-mac/help/recent-files.txt and /info-mac/help/all-files.txt. Please send articles and binaries to info-mac@sumex-aim.stanford.edu. Send administrative mail to info-mac-request@sumex-aim.stanford.edu. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Tue, 23 Oct 90 16:29:02 CDT From: jln@casbah.acns.nwu.edu (John Norstad) Subject: [*] Disinfectant 2.3 Disinfectant 2.3 ================ October 23, 1990 Disinfectant 2.3 is a new release of our free Macintosh anti-viral utility. Version 2.3 detects the C strain of the MDEF virus. This new strain was recently discovered in Ithaca, New York. Version 2.3 detects a variant of the ANTI A virus which version 2.2 failed to detect properly. There are no significant differences in behavior between the original ANTI A virus and this variant, and version 2.3 identifies both of them as ANTI A. There have been no changes to the Disinfectant sample source code since version 2.2. Disinfectant 2.3 is available now via anonymous FTP from site acns.nwu.edu [129.105.49.1]. It will also be available soon on sumex-aim.stanford.edu, rascal.ics.utexas.edu, comp.binaries.mac, CompuServe, GEnie, Delphi, BIX, MacNet, America Online, Calvacom, AppleLink, and other popular sources of free and shareware software. Macintosh users who do not have access to electronic sources of free and shareware software may obtain a copy of Disinfectant by sending a self- addressed stamped envelope and an 800K floppy disk to the author at the address given below. People outside the US may send an international postal reply coupon instead of US stamps (available from any post office). Please use sturdy envelopes, preferably cardboard disk mailers. People in Western Europe may obtain a copy of the latest version of Disinfectant by sending a self-addressed disk mailer and an 800K floppy disk to macclub benelux. Stamps are not required. The address is: macclub benelux Disinfectant Update Wirtzfeld Valley 140 B-4761 Bullingen Belgium John Norstad Academic Computing and Network Services Northwestern University 2129 Sheridan Road Evanston, IL 60208 Bitnet: jln@nuacc Internet: jln@casbah.acns.nwu.edu CompuServe: 76666,573 AppleLink: A0173 [Archived as /info-mac/virus/disinfectant-23-part1.hqx; 160K /info-mac/virus/disinfectant-23-part2.hqx; 147K] ------------------------------ Date: 13 Sep 90 11:04:33 From: Wolfgang Naegeli <Wolfgang_Naegeli.ED_IAAS@qm01.ctd.ornl.gov> Subject: [*] DiskDoubler Expand INIT Enclosed is DDExpand INIT, the limited give-away versions of the DiskDoubler INIT by Salient. The INIT adds a "DD" menu to the Finder menu bar. Select the icon of a compressed file (either DD, StuffIt, or PackIt format) or of a folder or disk containing such files, then choose Expand from the DD menu, and the compressed file(s) will be expanded. For each StuffIt archive a folder of the same name & "D" is automatically created to receive the archive's contents. This version of DD can also join split files. DiskDoubler saves a tremendous amount of time, particularly if you download several archives at once. When a compressed file is selected from an application in the Open File dialog, the INIT will automatically expand it on the fly. DDExpand INIT is free and much faster and much easier to use than StuffIt or UnStuffIt DA. The full versions, which Salient sells through commercial channels, also compresses and splits files. This works almost precisely in the reverse order of what I described above. (Salient also has reduced prices for user groups! Call them at 415-852-9567.) Where StuffIt achieves 30 to 40 percent compression, DD typically achieves 40 to 50 percent (and that in less time!). Image files, sounds, fonts, and some database files may get reduced to 10 percent or less of their original size. Version 3.0 of DiskDoubler INIT has several major enhancements: 1) Automatic recompression when closing a file that was opened and automatically expanded from within an application. 2) Support for combining multiple files/folders/disks into a single compressed file. 3) Tighter compression of image and sound files. 4) Automatic generation of batch instruction files. (Press the option key and the DD menu choices change to "Compress Later," "Expand Later," "Combine Later," etc. Instead of executing the operation immediately on the highlighted object, an instruction is added to a DD Batch file. Later, you simply double click the batch file to execute it. You can let it run in the background under MultiFinder.) DiskDoubler has the slickest and most time-saving user interface of any compression utility on any computer that I have seen. Compactor may get tighter compression on certain kinds of files, but its user interface is StuffIt all warmed up again. DiskDoubler comes with an application in addition to the INIT. This is useful for those who do not want to allocate any RAM to DD at startup. It also makes it possible to expand any compressed file simply by double-clicking its icon in the Finder. DiskDoubler automatically quits after doing its work when opened this way. I have no affilitation with Salient other than beeing a very satisfied customer. Salient is really devoted to developing and supporting DD. A far cry >From the poor support Aladdin provides or does not provide. DD 3.0 is the third major release in less than one year. It has made maintaining a BBS much easier. I hope that all new additions to the Info-Mac archives will be made in DD format and that some of the larger files already in the archives will be converted. The DiskDoubler compression algorithms are proprietary (Salient is continuously working on improving them). This is a drawback, but all high efficiency algorithms in StuffIt Delux, Compactor, and Diamond are also proprietary. Salient gives away the expansion tools though. Moreover, DD supports Inter-Application Communications (IAC). A developer's kit is available and makes it easy to include automatic compression and expansion into communications packages, for example. DD unquestionably has the best user interface and I trust Salient more than any of its competitors to provide a high degree of support and rapid enhancement. I am uploading an uncompressed version that you can use as is after downloading and un BinHexing. I also will upload a version compressed with DD before BinHexing, which you should select if you already have an earlier version of DD or have downloaded the DD Expand application first. There is no separate documentation, but a Help menu is included. I will also upload the DD Expand application. Wolfgang N. Naegeli President, MacClique--East Tennessee Macintosh Users Group Internet: wnn@ornl.gov Bitnet: wnn@ornlstc Phone: 615-574-6143 Fax: 615-574-6141 (MacFax) QuickMail (QM-QM): Wolfgang Naegeli @ 615-574-4510 [Archived as /info-mac/init/dd-expand.hqx; 110K] ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 15 Sep 90 17:54:55 +0200 From: Roland M}nsson LDC <Roland.Mansson@ldc.lu.se> Subject: [*] macpost-10b2 MacPost 1.0b2 README (July 13, 1990) =================================== MacPost is an electronic mail system for the Apple Macintosh. It is developed by Lund University Computing Center as a Lund-Apple Joint Project (European University Consortium). MacPost is available via anonymous ftp at no cost. MacPost gives Mac users access to internet mail directly from the desktop. The client is very easy to use, and the server should be relatively easy to setup for anyone somewhat experienced with Macs, AppleTalk, tcp/ip, and e-mail. The Client ---------- The client is an ordinary Macintosh application. It is used to send and receive electronic mail. The user is automatically notified when a new mail arrives, regardless of what application (s)he is using. Domain addresses are used. There is a simple Address Book that allows the user to pick a name from a list, and send the mail to the associated address. Translation between Mac-ascii and seven bit ascii works automatically in both directions. The Server ---------- The server runs on a dedicated Macintosh. One server can handle an entire AppleTalk internet. The client's mail is sent to the server, and it forwards the mail to a well-connected SMTP-server. Incoming mail is stored on the server until the user reads it. Communication ------------- The protocol between client and server is AppleTalk. Thus, the clients and the server must be in one AppleTalk internet, but it can consist of any combination of LocalTalk, EtherTalk, TokenTalk, etc. Dial-in access is possible, if AppleTalk is used (eg. Liaison, Shiva TeleBridge). The protocol between the server and the well-connected SMTP-server is tcp/ip. With "well-connected" we refer to that it must be able to interpret addresses, and send the mail in the right direction. The server uses Apple's MacTCP (available through APDA). Required Equipment ------------------ Server: dedicated Mac, 2MB RAM, hard disk, ethernet card, MacTCP Client: any Mac, System 6.0, AppleTalk 48 Client - Server Communication: an AppleTalk internet network Server - well-connected SMTP-server Communication: tcp/ip network Network Services: a well-connected SMTP server Status ------ This release is reasonably stable. We are not aware of any major bugs in it. See the Release Notes files for info about bug fixes and new features in this release. The user documentation is not yet available, but it should be easy for anyone to use MacPost without the docs. This is the first English release. We would very much appreciate your comments about our use and misuse of the English language. Copyright --------- MacPost is Copyright 1988-90 Lund University Computing Center. All rights reserved. MacPost may not be sold or offered for sale, or bundled with another product offered for sale, except with the express written permission of Lund University Computing Center. You are allowed to copy, distribute, and use this release free of charge as long as it is not in violation of the paragraph above. Disclaimer ---------- Lund University Computing Center gives no warranty, expressed or implied, for the software and/or documentation provided, including, without limitation, warranty of merchantability and warranty of fitness for a particular purpose. Distribution ------------ MacPost is available via anonymous ftp from pollux.lu.se (130.235.132.89) in pub/mac/comm/macpost. StuffIt is required to unpack it. Documentation is in text-only and MacWrite 4.5. The server applications and the server documentation are in English. The client and the client documentation are available in both English and Swedish. The distribution consists of several StuffIt archives. See the file FILES for more info. Mailing List ------------ We have set up a mailing list to discuss problems, bugs, new releases etc. about MacPost. To join it, send a request to macpost-request@ldc.lu.se (internet) OR macpostr@selund (bitnet) To send a mail to the list, address it to macpost@ldc.lu.se (internet) OR macpost@selund (bitnet) To send a mail only to the MacPost Development Team, address it to macpost-admin@ldc.lu.se (internet) OR macposta@selund (bitnet) You are strongly encouraged to send all questions etc. to the mailing list (ie. don't use macpost-admin). We also encourage you to reply to questions submitted to the mailing list (send your reply to the list; others than the original author may find it useful). We may not have enough time to answer questions, and the time we have at our disposal may be better spent on bug fixes and new features. Support, bug reports -------------------- Send bug reports and suggestions to the mailing list. If you have problems, please check your AppleTalk, the well-connected SMTP server, etc., etc. before you ask us! Roland Mansson The MacPost Development Team Lund University Computing Center Box 783, S-220 07 Lund, Sweden Fax: +46-46138225 roland.mansson@ldc.lu.se [Archived as /info-mac/comm/macpost-client-10b2.hqx; 115K /info-mac/comm/macpost-server-10b2.hqx; 228K] ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 12 Sep 90 15:33:39 -0400 From: cak3g@astsun7.astro.virginia.edu (Colin Klipsch) Subject: [*] TappyType 1.36 Included here -- in Binhexed Stuffit format -- is TappyType V1.36, along with a TeachText file of documentation. TappyType is a CDEV/INIT which makes your Mac's keyboard sound like a typewriter. It is freeware, though not in the public domain. Version 1.36 supercedes all previous versions. The new changes are mostly cosmetic, though I added some more robust error-checking also. (Those new sounds will be here any day now. . .) Cheers, Colin Klipsch University of Virginia Charlottesville, Virginia Internet: cak3g@virginia.edu [Archived as /info-mac/cdev/tappy-type-136.hqx; 35K] ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 12 Sep 90 20:26:45 +0200 From: adam%TNOAL1.TNO.NL@forsythe.stanford.edu Subject: [*] UU-decode version 2.0.1 Hello all, I am posting a new version of my uu-decoder to the archives... This one can read uu-encoded files from outside the application's folder and delivers a file of type 'TEXT' instead of '????' Regards, Adam. [Archived as /info-mac/util/uu-decode-201.hqx; 38K] ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 23 Oct 90 15:44:24 -0400 From: hdmiller@kodak.com Subject: Accessing Chooser "User Name" using Toolbox calls Date: 10/23/90 15:44:39 To: info-mac@sumex-aim.stanford.edu >From: H. David Miller, Process & Control Systems Engr., B-54D, x-8789 Subject: Accessing Chooser "User Name" using Toolbox calls I'm looking for an answer I haven't been able to find in the five volumes of Inside Macintosh -- perhaps I can sound out some conventional wisdom out there. In the course of a program development, I've found a need to acquire the "User Name" string that defines the workstation ID (i.e. the User Name in the Chooser). Is there a quick and dirty way to get this (global variable) or is it more painful? Any and all clues will be appreciated -- thanks! ======================================================================== ****** ***** ***** ****** H. David Miller **** ******** *** ********* Process and Control Systems Engineering ** *** Kodak * *** ********* Tennessee Eastman Company **** ******** ***** ****** Internet: hdmiller@kodak.com ****** ***** ======================================================================== H. D. Miller ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 22 Oct 90 17:45:14 -0400 From: bda@uengr.calvin.edu (Bruce Abernethy) Subject: Backdoor to HC2.0? If it is true that the binaries of HC2.0 (runtime) and HC2.0 (developer ed.) are identical and it is simply a different home stack and supporting stacks that enable scripting (userlevel 5), then it should be possible to get at the scripting capabilities now. If someone (who has the real HyperCard) could write a simple stack which enables userlevel 5 then anyone with HC2.0 could begin scripting and get back to work. I have a project which is due Dec. 15. If there is anyway (legally) I could begin using HC2.0 soon I would be very happy (I do not want to do it in 1.2.5). Bruce Abernethy Calvin College, Computer Center Hotline Grand Rapids, MI 49512 <bda@uengr.calvin.edu> Opinions and Ideas expressed are, as always, my own ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 23 Oct 90 14:07:54 GMT From: Michael Everson <MEVERC95%IRLEARN.BITNET@forsythe.stanford.edu> Subject: Configuring a Dinosaur I've a friend here whose father gave her his Mac 512, 800K internal drive, 400K external (makes wonderful noises when it thinks). The problem: I'd like to set her up with a good and useful system, plus a manageable Word setup so she can do what she needs, which is mostly wordprocessing with footnotes. My idea is to put a minimum system (4.2) on the 400K drive and let her run Word 3.01 with spellchecker and hopefully some space left to save docs. (Unfortunately we only have Word 4.0 utilities here, so if anyone has the dictionary/helpfile for 3.01 and could send it along it would save us trying to get them from Microsoft). Does anyone out there have a better idea for configuring this dear old venerable? We'd be very glad to hear from you if you do. Thanks in advance. Michael Everson meverc95@irlearn ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 23 Oct 90 12:37:29 EDT From: "Joel B. Levin" <levin@bbn.com> Subject: For SAM 2.0 Users For SAM 2.0 Users: A new strain of Garfield (or MDEF) has appeared. This version has code in it which attempts to bypass antiviral programs. It also has a very severe bug which could lead to system crashes, error messages, or corrupted files once this virus runs in a system. Otherwise, this strain is very similar to the other strains of Garfield. If you have SAM configured in Standard level or higher, generally it will issue either "Attempt to bypass SAM Intercept" messages, or messages telling that a suspicious change to or addition of an MDEF resource is being made. Which messages appear depends upon a number of factors, such as what machine is present, whether MultiFinder is running, what system is running, etc. Denying the attempts to add and change the MDEF resource keeps Garfield C from spreading. The virus definition for this strain of Garfield is: Virus Name: Garfield (or MDEF) Resource Type: MDEF Resource ID: 0 Resource Size: 556 Search String: 4D4445464267487A005EA9AB (hexadecimal) Search Offset: 448 Paul Cozza SAM Author [forwarded to info-mac at author's request / JBL] ------------------------------ Date: 23 Oct 90 14:28 GMT From: LAICHI.SPT@applelink.apple.com (Axis, Hector Rojas, Chile,ICC) Subject: Help finish AppleShare XCMD! I've almost finished writing my own Wingz external command to mount an AppleShare (AFP) volume, but one problem remains. Who will help me solve it? My code works fine right up to and including the FPLogin step. It first opens the necessary AppleTalk drivers, then looks for the server via NBP, then gets the server's info block with FPGetSrvrInfo, and logs on succesfully with FPLogin. However, when I call FPOpenVol to mount the volume, I get a ParamError (-5019). Inside AppleTalk says this is because either the session reference number (returned by FPLogin) is invalid, or the volume doesn't exist. Neither is the case in my code. Who knows what is happening? Please help, and I'll share my source code with all of you out there. I'll package it into a Wingz and a HyperCard XCMD too! -- Thomas Fruin Apple Chile AppleLink: LAICHI.SPT laichi.spt@applelink.apple.com ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 23 Oct 90 10:19 CST From: <PT1811S%DRAKE.BITNET@forsythe.stanford.edu> Subject: Hypercard 2.0 & sys error I have recently installed Hypercard 2.0 on my SE/30 with 5 megs RAM running system 6.05. I continuously would get a system error id 12 when starting hypercard. I found the conflict, but don't know what the file does that I had to discard. The startup doc that was causing the problems is called Keyboard Shortcuts. It was created on May 15, 1988 with a version number of 1.3b. It is copyrighted by Tom Phoenix. I have no idea what Keyboard Shortcuts did for me, but it was causing my system errors with Hypercard 2.0!!!!! Now that it HC works, I want to go play with it, but if anyone can tell me what Keyboard Shortcuts does, please let me know! Thanks.... Paul Thibodeau Senior Mac Consultant Drake U Bitnet "PT1811S@DRAKE" ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 23 Oct 90 11:51:13 EDT From: Rob Szarek <413077%UOTTAWA.BITNET@forsythe.stanford.edu> Subject: HyperCOMs includes HC 2.0 For thoses who want HyperCard 2.0 in a hurry, pick up a copy of HyperCOM. To my surprise, the product includes a FULL working version of HyperCard. It takes 5 800k disks. The only thing that is not included is the official manuals. But Danny Goodman.s book "HyperCard 2.0" makes a nice substitute. Rob Szarek University of Ottawa Canada. "If a politian comes up to you and offers some GST, just say HELL NO WAY" ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 22 Oct 90 17:05:49 PDT From: GROSSMAN%UCE.ESNET@esnmrg.nersc.gov Subject: Interfacing DEC LN03 Laser Printer to Macintosh I am interested in connecting a DEC LN03 laser printer to Macintosh IIsi, and would appreciate any advice on how to do this. Thanks, in advance for your help. Arthur A. Grossman University of California, Los Angeles On ESNET: GROSSMAN@UCE ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 23 Oct 90 08:54 CDT From: The Eternal Romantic Hormone <KG0041A%DRAKE.BITNET@forsythe.stanford.edu> Subject: MacinTalk In response to Greg Wimpey's note in Digest V8 #175 in which he warned: "Just a little reminder: MacinTalk WILL NOT WORK under System 6.0.7 or higher. The new Sound Manager breaks it. MacinTalk hasn't been supported by Apple for a long time, so you shouldn't write software that assumes it'll be there." Well, I'm running System 7.0a right now and MacinTalk is working just fine. I haven't had my Mac crash because it was installed. (It's crashed plenty of other times, though. Very buggy, this alpha version.) Of course what works on one Mac might crash ten others, but just don't give up all hope on MacinTalk. I'm running on a Mac IIcx 5/40 with DeskPict!, Mouse Odometer, WDef Init, Following, Pyro!, In Use, Cursor Animator, Lip Service, and the aforementioned MacinTalk. ******************************************************************************* *Kyle Griffin "No beast so fierce but knows some touch of pity,* *(515) 271-2695 But I know none, and therefore am no beast." * *Kg0041a @ Drake -Richard III - William Shakespeare * ******************************************************************************* ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 23 OCT 90 08:13:23 PDT From: <MICRO2.KLOPP@crvax.sri.com> Subject: Need info on digitizing tablet hard- & software Does anyone have leanings one way or another toward Calcomp vs. Summagraphics for large digitizing tablets (>=18" x >=24") for the Mac? We have to replace our antique Tektronix (really a Summagraphics). Does anyone know of software that would let us trace and digitize graphs into a file of coordinate points? I've looked at a shareware program called DigiGraf, but it's a bit rough around the edges. Is there such a feature built into Kaleidagraph, Igor, or similar. How about one of the CAD packages? Is there a market for this kind of thing? Thank you for any and all info. Regards, Rich Klopp MICRO2.KLOPP@crvax.sri.com ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 23 Oct 90 08:59 +0800 From: DTPALMER%HKUCC.BITNET@forsythe.stanford.edu Subject: pagemaker 4.0 print problem I have a problem bringing printed photographs in TIFF format into PM and then printing them. They show up with light squares and dark squares in them and then print that way. I think it must be something simple, but after struggling for hours I am still at a loss. Please help. David Palmer University of Hong Kong ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 23 Oct 90 16:16 EDT From: <RMANGALD%CLARKU.BITNET@forsythe.stanford.edu> Subject: ResEdit, Font/DA Mover problems Hello, People! Two questions, short and sweet: (1) I get a "There is an attempt to bypass the file system" alert from SAM 2.0 when I quit ResEdit 2.0b2. Does anyone know why ResEdit needs to do this? Also, allowing this operation corrupted my System file! What the heck is going on? I'm pretty sure it's not a virus -- I've checked with SAM Virus Clinic 2.0 and Disinfectant 2.2. My guess is that ResEdit is doing something to its personal scrap file, but why would that corrupt my System file? (2) When I'm editing a font suitcase with Font/DA Mover 3.8 (specifically, removing fonts), I sometimes get an alert "A serious error has occured. Exit to Finder"; the error ID is always a large negative number (-15397 or something like that). Very often, the suitcase is corrupted and becomes unopenable by either ResEdit or Font/DA Mover. (Yes, I am using Suitcase II and I *do* close the suitcase before I muck around with Font/DA Mover). Any ideas? My system configuration: SE, 1 Mb, 2 SuperDrives, Ehman 45 Mb Removable Drive, System 6.0.5, lots of INITs, but the problems persist even without the INITs. Rahul Mangaldas. bitnet: rmangaldas@clarku internet: rmangaldas@clarku.bitnet ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 23 Oct 90 16:03 EDT From: <RMANGALD%CLARKU.BITNET@forsythe.stanford.edu> Subject: The Truth About My Bombs: A Summary (blush, blush!) Hello, People! Thanks to all who replied to my earlier posting about frequent bombs when trying to boot with my Ehman 45 Mb removable drive. The drive is fine, thank you (and thank God!). Of the five replies I received, three suggested I re-install my System and two suggested I might have a hardware problem. Well, it turns out that the first camp is right: I replaced my System and everything is fine -- at least for now! There is a caveat, though: until now, I had been using the Installer to re-install the System file, which didn't cure the problem, leading me to suspect a hardware problem; to make the problem go away, I trashed my old System and Finder, as a fellow netter suggested, and copied them back (via the Finder) from my System Tools 6.0.5 master disk. Voila! No more crashes, and I can use all my cdevs, INITs, and RDEVs too! (Yea!) Thanks again to all who replied. Rahul Mangaldas. bitnet: rmangaldas@clarku internet: rmangaldas@clarku.bitnet ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 23 Oct 90 12:43:02 EDT From: bas@chem.wayne.edu (Barry A. Schoenfelner) Subject: Use of Mews and netnews reader Greetings, I have been trying to use Mews 1.4.1 or netnews reader 1.2.1 and not having much sucess. I picked up a copy of MacTCP via anonymous FTP so I don't have documentation and both newsreader packages imply that a Hosts file must reside in my system disk. Could some kind soul send me an example of the Hosts File so that I may see what format it is in? Netnews reader implys that one does not have to have an account on the news server to use it. If so, can someone suggest a good news server with Mac info on it? FYI I am using HyperCard 1.2.2 with System 6.0.3 on an SE/30 going over AppleTalk to a KineticsNovellShiva FastPath 4 if it makes any difference. I know I have the MacTCP configured correctly as I can use NCSA Telnet MacTCP without any problem. Thanks for any help you can provide. Barry Schoenfelner bas@chem.wayne.edu ------------------------------ End of Info-Mac Digest ******************************