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Info-Mac Digest Fri, 2 Nov 90 Volume 8 : Issue 179 Today's Topics: ATM1.2/Sys6.0.7/QuantumThanks Disappearing Laserwriter Fonmania solution is DAFont3 HC2.0 Audio Palette HC 2.0 Upgrade Policy How long Listserver Punch format revisited Look for System "pokers and prodders" (repost) Macintalk Mouse Odometer Readings OzTeX 1.3 printing IBM Post script files (2 msgs) Print Server problems Problem with SIT Deluxe ResEdit Setting userLevel in HC 2.0 Sound digitizer question Still No Joy Text Editors The tab key and HC Virus info White Knight update wanted Your Info-Mac Moderators are Bill Lipa, Lance Nakata, and Jon Pugh. The Info-Mac archives are available (by using FTP, account anonymous, any password) in the info-mac directory on sumex-aim.stanford.edu [36.44.0.6]. Help files are in /info-mac/help. Indices are in /info-mac/help/recent-files.txt and /info-mac/help/all-files.txt. Please send articles and binaries to info-mac@sumex-aim.stanford.edu. Send administrative mail to info-mac-request@sumex-aim.stanford.edu. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Fri, 26 Oct 90 14:26:18 EDT From: rudman@caen.engin.umich.edu (Daniel Edward Rudman) Subject: ATM1.2/Sys6.0.7/QuantumThanks Model Macintosh SE/30 Memory Limit 5Mb RAM Drive Space 40Mb internal Quantum ------------------------------------- INITs installed BackDrop, Init CDEV 3.0, B.A.D., DiskDoubler INIT, Facade, Safe Eject, SCSI Parker, SuperClock! 3.9, SuperSpool, WatchINIT 5.0, ~AltWDEF 1.5.3, ~ATM 1.2, and Disinfectant INIT CDEVs installed Boomerang, LockDisk, Pyro! 4.0, and UnScrolly. Ram Cache @ 128k ATM Cache @ 128k ------------------------------------ System Version 6.0.7 Finder Version 6.1.7 ------------------------------------ I just installed System 6.0.7 last night, and this morning I noticed Pyro! 4.0's Marquee module (which was supposed to display nice 127 point Helvectica Bold ATM Fonts) was showing some rather UGLY looking font displays. I tried systematically removing INITs and CDEVs, even getting as drastic as removing EVERYTHING except ATM 1.2, which was to no avail. I AM USING MASTERJUGGLER v1.01. Does anyone know why ATM 1.2 doesn't seem to be supported in System 6.0.7, or can anyone at least let me know if they've experienced similar problems and how you've fixed them? I appreciate it greatly. =============================================================================== Also: Thanks to everyone who was kind enough to reply to my Hard Drive Blues inquiry. Mhe resulting information was that, My problem was that I was hearing strange noises coming from the drive, but the drive light as not going on and the noise was sporadic. Thanks to the many experts and experiencers on this, I have learned that this is due to a ROM routine which Apple installed to fix a lubrication-problem with their Quantum drives... the ROM routine causes the head to move around in order to spread the lubricant, and hence the sporadic, non-read/write action. Thanks again. Daniel E. Rudman The University of Michigan Electrical Engineering Department CAEN Macintosh Support P.S. I do realize that the INIT/CDEV list is screwed up... I have to fix that seeing as how a LOT of those INITs are really CDEVs... forgive and forget. REQUEST: I believe After Dark is SHAREWARE... could somebody PLEASE put this in the archives as I believe it was a VERY "hot" item. Thank You. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 26 Oct 90 15:55:22 EDT From: Tom Prusa <TPRUSA@sbccvm> Subject: Disappearing Laserwriter Hello, My Mac SE30 seems unable to recognize that my LaserWriter Plus is attached. It has worked just fine until today when after printing a few MS Word documents in the morning (and then turning the printer off) I could later not get the Mac to recognize the Laserwriter (after turning it back on).... I've checked the Appletalk connectors and they all seem to be okay.... any ideas... PLEASE!!! tom prusa ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 28 Oct 90 15:00:00 EDT From: Marvyn <ST401832@brownvm.brown.edu> Subject: Fonmania solution is DAFont3 Hi Greg, DAFont3 will do exactly what you are trying to do. It will print a sentence in all available fonts either to the screen or to your printer. Marvyn Steele St401832 @ Brownvm ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 27 Oct 90 17:07:15 -0400 From: bda@uengr.calvin.edu (Bruce Abernethy) Subject: HC2.0 Audio Palette Has anyone seen the Audio Palette that was demoed during the 10/15 product rollout. I have heard that the new Macs come with a postcard or something that you can send in if you want it. I was just wondering what features it had so I don't design something that will do less and not as well as the one from Apple. Bruce Abernethy Calvin College, Grand Rapids, MI 49512 Computer Center Hotline <bda@uengr.calvin.edu> ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 25 Oct 90 23:05:36 CDT From: schultz@pollux.math.iastate.edu Subject: HC 2.0 Upgrade Policy The following is a summary of my exchange with Kevin Calhoun, lead engineer for HyperCard 2.0, concerning the upgrade policy for HC 2.0. He has been an excellent help and took the time to reply right away to my questions. Some Apple employees still seem to care. Thanks! 1. What is the HyperCard upgrade policy for those who got it with their computer or who were honest enough to buy it? If you obtained a copy of HyperCard 1.x either when you bought a Mac CPU or by buying the standalone HyperCard package, then you are eligible for an upgrade from Claris, which will cost $49. The upgrade package will include five disks (HyperCard, HyperCard Help, Stacks, More Stacks, and Your Tour of HyperCard) and two manuals (a short overview of new features and the new script language guide). Claris is not yet taking orders for the upgrade package. 2. What are dealers allowed to distribute? The new Macs apparently only come with Hypercard, Home, Appointments, Address. HyperCard 2.0 in an Apple box, which Apple dealers have on their lists as a real product at a suggested retail price of $49, has been canceled. When HyperCard 2.0 is available in a Claris box, then dealers can sell it to you. It has been the policy in the past to encourage dealers to allow customers to copy the HyperCard disks free of charge. However, this policy has been discontinued. In other words, at this time, dealers have nothing they're allowed to distribute. 3. What are user groups allowed to distribute? User groups that have licenses from Apple to distribute HyperCard can do so at whatever price they set until the end of calendar year 1990,\ which is when the license agreements expire. User groups that have such licenses were sent the full five-disk set. 4. What is this user group license? Is it still possible to get one? If so how and for how much? I don't know whether it is still possible for a user group to obtain a license to distribute HyperCard. You might try contacting Apple Software Licensing, Mail Stop 38-I, Apple Computer, Inc., 20525 Mariani Ave., Cupertino, CA 95014. 5. What additional stacks/tools/support is Claris going to provide? This has not yet been decided. 6. Will these policies change when Claris takes over? These are the new policies instituted by Claris, which has already taken over the distribution and marketing of HyperCard 2.0. 7. On a personal note, I think HyperCard is great product. The update makes it even greater (congratulations to those who worked on it - it was worth the wait). However, from the feedback I have been getting, I think many will be disappointed if there is a fee for the upgrade. In my opinion everyone, including Apple, gains from the free distribution of HyperCard and the example stacks. I have yet to see one person who is not impressed by the Train or the Puzzle stacks. I don't want to be sour or gready. I just everyone to benefit from HyperCard. You won't get any argument from me. I hope this helps clarify matters for others as it has for me. Am I naive to think that both Apple and HC users would gain more from a free upgrade? /************************************************************************/ /* Jonathan Schultz */ /* */ /* internet: schultz@pollux.math.iastate.edu (Iowa State University) */ /* */ /* US Mail: 1209 North Dakota Ave #6 */ /* Ames, IA 50010 */ /* (515) 292-3814 */ /* */ /************************************************************************/ ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 29 Oct 90 14:32:49 EDT From: Kathy DuBose <DUBOSE%AKRONVM.BITNET@ricevm1.rice.edu> Subject: How long Hi, Does anyone have or know of software that keeps track of how much time is spent in an application? Someone suggested a package called Macinuse. But I haven't seen or heard anything else about it. I would appreciated any help that you could give me. Kathy ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 29 Oct 90 17:54 +0100 From: Pieter Stouten <STOUTEN%EMBL.bitnet@forsythe.stanford.edu> Subject: Listserver Punch format revisited In Info-Mac Digest, Wed 10 Oct 90, Volume 8 : Issue 169 Michael W. Wheeler <mww@tntech.bitnet> writes: >>...or sometimes I >>try to decode a binhex file and I get an EOF error. >> > > [stuff deleted] > >Now, about that EOF error; that is probably caused by the binhex file >not having a line that *BEGINS* with >(This file must be converted with BinHex 4.0) >If it cannot find the above line left justified it will read all the way >to the end of the file tring to find it to no avail hence the EOF error >message. One reason for this might be that the file might have been send >to you in "Listserv-Punch" format or "LPunch" format. This is done for files >that have records larger than 80 characters. For instance the game GO.HQX was >sent to me this way. So you must first unLPunch it with some utility. I wrote >my own program to do it because I couldn't find one anywhere. First of all, I should say that a BinHex file does not have to begin with the line: "(This file must be converted with BinHex 4.0)". As far as I know the first colon (":") in the file is regarded as the beginning of the BinHex-encoded information. Secondly, if you are on a bitnet node you can easily avoid getting files in LPunch (=Listserv Punch) format by specifying that you want the file sent in Netdata format (132, 136, 137 or so characters per line). A sample line to be sent to listserv@rice looks like: $MACA GET /HELP/ALL-FILES.TXT F=NETDATA This overwrites the default format for files with lines of over 80 characters. If for some reason you can get only LPunch formatted files then two conversion programs written by the author of Listserv Eric Thomas <eric@frecp11.bitnet> are readily available (one in Pascal, the other one in C). They can be obtained >From the nearest listserver by sending either of the following commands: GET LISTLPUN MEMO INFO LPUNCH Hope this is of use. Pieter Stouten <stouten@embl.bitnet> <stouten@embl-heidelberg.de> <stouten@felix.embl-heidelberg.de> ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 28 Oct 90 22:44:16 -0500 From: fgodfrey@rodan.acs.syr.edu Subject: Look for System "pokers and prodders" (repost) This a repost because the original message didn't make for some reason and a revision (to conserve disk spave I erased the text). Does anybody know where I can find the current version of utilities like ResEdit, DiskEdit and others programs that do things suck as check memory and display what cards are currently installed? Please respond on E-mail and I'll summarize my findings and post them on the list. Thanx a lot! "Be seeing you." ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Francis N. Godfrey |Computing and Network Services|"It was the server Syracuse University|Micro Cluster Support | that did it"-Mystery fgodfrey@SUVM.BITNET ATTACHTO Standard.disclaimer|fgodfrey@rodan.acs.syr.edu ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 26 Oct 90 10:42:04 GMT From: Michael Everson <MEVERC95%IRLEARN.BITNET@forsythe.stanford.edu> Subject: Macintalk OK, so Apple doesn't support Macintalk. What should we use if we want our computers to talk? Surely Apple knows there's a need for and a pleasure in talking computers (we're trying to teach one Irish here). And is there any Talker which allows you to ask the Macintalk or other utility to speak PHONETICALLY rather than by spelling? Michael Everson ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 28 Oct 90 20:50:12 EST From: Rob Szarek <413077%UOTTAWA.BITNET@forsythe.stanford.edu> Subject: Mouse Odometer Readings I've been mousing with mouse odometer and found something odd. If I'm not mistaken there should be about 5280 feet in a mile. Multiply 5280 by 12 inch per foot , I get -> 63360 inches. My question is why do I have to travel 100000 inches in the mouse odometer to get 1 mile ? When I zip a diagonal on my SE/30 it reads approx 9 inches. So somebody needs to check their conversion factors. Funny I never thought I'd travel that much in 2 weeks with a mouse/trackball. Rob Szarek CSI, U of Ottawa ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 26 Oct 90 14:25:05 CDT From: "OzTeX Distributor" <oztex@midway.uchicago.edu> Subject: OzTeX 1.3 The new release of OzTeX (Version 1.3) is now available for anonymous ftp >From midway.uchicago.edu (in the pub/OzTeX heierarchy). OzTeX is a free version of D. Knuth's typsetting language TeX for the Macintosh. Version 1.3 has significant improvements over version 1.2; in particular it incorporates TeX 3.0 changes and can be configured in "large" versions that can handle huge macro packages. (In particular, I have tested it successfully with LamsTeX). OzTeX was written by Andrew Trevorrow, who certainly deserves praise and thanks for his hard work on this project and for making the fruits of his labour freely available! OzTeX should work on any Macintosh Plus, SE, II or newer model. It will not work on a 128K or 512K Mac. OzTeX was developed on a Mac Plus with 1 Meg of RAM and a 20 Meg hard disk. This is just about the minimum hardware configuration, given the large amount of memory required to run OzTeX and the large amount of disk space needed to store all the font information. OzTeX uses standard pk fonts and tfm files (easily ported from mainframe versions) and creates standard dvi files (which are easily ported to other platforms). The application includes a DVI previewer, a PostScript driver, and of course TeX (including IniTeX so it is possible to dump preloaded formats). For more information get the README file from midway! For rudimentary support and additional information, send mail to oztex@midway.uchicago.edu. --Walter ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 29 Oct 1990 07:05:15 PST From: R._Mitchell_VanDuyn.Henr801C@xerox.com Subject: printing IBM Post script files Hello, Is it possible to take a postscript file generated on an IBM PC and send it out to a laser writter via a macintosh? Is there a program on either the mac or the PC to add the necessary header, etc? Mitch ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 29 Oct 1990 11:23:11 PST From: Carl_A._Steinhilber.osbu_south@xerox.com Subject: printing IBM Post script files Mitch, Yes, it is definately possible to send IBM-PC generated PS files to a LaserWriter via the Mac. How this is done is VERY dependant on what software you've used to create the file on a PC. Some transfer situations would be blindingly simple.... others would be tedious (but possible). Give me an idea what software you're using... and a short run-down of the equiptment (both IBM and Mac)... and I can, hopefully, give you step-by-step instructions on the particular process you'd have to use. Our lab, here, has done some rather intriguing translations to help us in our work. Including ViewPoint screen captures and other Freehand files to Mac, as well as text files for documentation. I, personally, have had to ponder several IBM to Mac translations as well. If you haven't already received information on how to perform the translation you're interested in, give us a ring. Carl Steinhilber net address: Stein:OSBU South:Xerox messaging tool:101.25220377215.0 IDHI/ West, El Segundo Systems Operability Group (SOGroup) group DL: HI-ES:DSBO:Xerox ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 29 Oct 90 01:52:46 EST From: Peter Sweeney <PS9ZRHMC%MIAMIU.BITNET@forsythe.stanford.edu> Subject: Print Server problems Hello from Miami in Oxford, Ohio. We have a lab of 25 SEs and a CX. We have two ImageWriter IIs and a QMS-PS 2210 Laser Printer. We have a Star Controller. All of our printers are on one leg of the Star Controller along with the the Spooler. We are using Apple's Print Server Software version 2.0. Because the ImageWriters were acting weird, we "captured" them and allowed printing. So, when a student prints to an ImageWriter, he/she is actually printing to the spooler, which then prints to the ImageWriter. Wow, is this slow. We do not have an alternative, it seems. If printing is not regulated by the Print Server, the printers will usually print half a page and then give up. (In order to regulate laser printing, we allow spooling, but not printing. Every fifteen minutes, a consultant will allow printing to the laser printer, and charge for each page printed. Clunky, but it works.) We've been running a beta-version of TrafficWatch to see what kind of activity we've been getting on the network. It turns out that the spoolers are dominating network activity. Even when nothing is being printed! We have considered buying a bridge for the ImageWriters, but this is a rather expensive solution. I'm wondering if there is some other solution available? Is this an optimal set-up for the lab? I'm wondering if perhaps placing the Print Spooler on a Ram Disk, using the RamDisk+ program is feasible/practical, and whether it will solve my problem? Any response is welcome. ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Peter Sweeney | Assistant Network Administrator | 200 Elliott Hall | BITNET:ps9zrhmc@miamiu Miami University | Oxford, Ohio 45056 | INTERNET:ps9zrhmc@miamiu.acs.muohio.edu (513) 529-3982 | ------------------------------ Date: 25 Oct 90 18:09:00 GMT-9:00 From: "SADLER JOEL C" <asjcs1@acad2.anc.alaska.edu> Subject: Problem with SIT Deluxe Heyho, Been having a problem with Stuff-It Deluxe, I think. I have been downloading files from my local BBS's and such, using Z-modem on my end, and after I have recieved the file, it is unreadable. When I go to the get-info, it is shown as a stuffit deluxe file, but when I go to stuffit deluxe, and try to open it, it is not listed. Have sometimes been sucessful going in and changing the creator name, which is sometimes, somehow, changed to Sit@ or some other nonsense, using Desk-Zap. Has anyone else had similar problems? Anyone know what to do? Ideas? Anything would be muchos appreciated. Thanks in Advance. Joel Sadler Internet: Asjcs1@acad2.anc.alaska.edu Bitnet: Asjcs1@alaska ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 29 Oct 90 12:01:04 SET From: Alexander Falk <K360950%AEARN.BITNET@forsythe.stanford.edu> Subject: ResEdit To Graeme Forbes <PL0BALF@TCSVM>: You are not exactly right, when you say that ResEdit 2.0b2 is available for free from many Bulletin Boards. The truth is, that many BBSs allow you to download ResEdit at no additional charge, provided that you agree to the licensing agreement posted on the same board. In order to be able to provide this service to their customers, the owners of the BBS must obtain a license from Apple's software licensing department (which - as far as I know - costs $100 per year). This license grants the holder the right to redistibute ResEdit via modem or on disk (it's essentially the same license, that 3rd party development systems have to obtain in order to ship ResEdit with their product). To sum this legal mubo-jumbo up: the moderators of the Info-Mac archives would have to obtain such a license in order to be allowed to distribute ResEdit through the archives. Or in other words: ResEdit is neither freeware nor PD. Some license-holders simply have chosen to distribute it as part of their products at no additional cost - but even the end user is bound to the licensing agreement with Apple. Hope this clarifies the situation, A L exander F alk ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 25 Oct 90 23:04:57 CDT From: schultz@pollux.math.iastate.edu Subject: Setting userLevel in HC 2.0 >From: bda@uengr.calvin.edu (Bruce Abernethy) >Subject: Backdoor to HC2.0? > >If it is true that the binaries of HC2.0 (runtime) and HC2.0 (developer ed.) >are identical and it is simply a different home stack and supporting stacks >that enable scripting (userlevel 5), then it should be possible to get at the >scripting capabilities now. If someone (who has the real HyperCard) could >write a simple stack which enables userlevel 5 then anyone with HC2.0 could >begin scripting and get back to work. It is possible to change the userLevel in the Home stack shipped with Apple computers. 1. Go to the Home stack 2. Choose "Message" from the "Go" menu (Cmd-M) 3. In the message box type: "set the userLevel to 5" On the last card ("User Preferences") of the Home stack there are 2 buttons you can delete ("UserLevel Cover 1" and "UserLevel Cover 2"). With these buttons deleted you can set any userLevel as ususal. To my knowledge none of this is "illegal". /************************************************************************/ /* Jonathan Schultz */ /* */ /* internet: schultz@pollux.math.iastate.edu (Iowa State University) */ /* */ /* US Mail: 1209 North Dakota Ave #6 */ /* Ames, IA 50010 */ /* (515) 292-3814 */ /* */ /************************************************************************/ ------------------------------ Date: 27 Oct 90 21:51:00 EDT From: "]" <dsmith@guvax.georgetown.edu> Subject: Sound digitizer question I have just bought a very used "Impulse Sound Digitizer". Unfortunately, I am told that I also need to buy the accompanying software for it, not part of the deal. I am unable to find out exactly what kind of software I need, however. The closest I can come up with is an article in MacUser 4/88, which reviews "SoundWave". It mentions the Impulse digitizer, and the hardware/software combo appears to have been sold as a package at one time. I can't find any other references to the company; maybe it's since gone out of business or stopped distributing this particular product? Will the digitizer run only with its own software, or can other software be used? Can someone direct me to a copy of SoundWave? Maybe the manufacturer of the digitizer will sell me a copy of what I need, if only I could figure out how to get in touch..... As always, many thanks in advance. Ben Smith Internet: EDU%"DSMITH@GUVAX.GEORGETOWN.EDU" ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 26 Oct 90 17:25:10 GMT From: ECL6NB@cms1.ucs.leeds.ac.uk Subject: Still No Joy Hello Mac Users I recently posted a query concerning a problem I was having with downloading Postscript files to a LaserWriter from a Mac. Despite numerous suggestions (my thanks to all those who replied) and several letters from other people experiencing the same difficulties, the problem still remains. A number of people suggested that FontDownloader was the wrong utility for this purpose despite the fact that it has an option for downloading PS files as well as PS fonts. I have since tried using SendPS and DistillPS to downloading a modified, 'distilled' version of the file but still without joy. I've found that SendPS, DistillPS and FontDownloader all work IF I first print out a document on the LaserWriter from within a Macintosh application. However, if I restart the printer and then try to use them I repeatedly get error messages about an 'invalidaccess'. I wonder how many people think 'their' method works because they've never tried using it immediately after turning the printer on. I've tried downloading PS files that have been created using various methods - option K, MyPageSetup, LaserFix and AddLPrep. I've also read the article 'Imagen-postscript.txt' in the Info-mac archive and followed its suggestions for editing the PS file. This just produces other error messages about 'stackoverflows'. One suggestion was to go back to using version 5.2 of the LaserWriter driver. Which apparently works where the later ones don't. I haven't yet been able to get hold of a copy to try this! Am I overlooking something very obvious here or doing something very stupid? I admit that I know very little about Postscript but then I shouldn't need to. That's not the Macintosh Way! The background to all this is that I need to know how to do it because although my department, the Computing Service, charges people for printing out to a LaserWriter, other departments in the University allow their students to print out from mini-computers such as Vaxes free of charge. Naturally many students would like to use our Macs to produce documents and then FTP the postscript to other machines. For their sake..... HELP! Nigel Bruce Leeds University U.K. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 26 Oct 90 14:33:57 EDT From: Steve Swinnea <swinnea@emx.utexas.edu> Subject: Text Editors Does anyone out there know of a cheap, possibly public domain, text editor. Our microlab users are currently using Edit to prepare source files for input to MacFortran. The problem is that Edit has problems with HFS files and thus must reside in the same folder as the files it edits. Is there a simple editor out there that can open files, print, and as a bonus maybe have tabs and parens checking? Thanks, Steve Swinnea Dept. Materials Sci. & Engr. ETC 9.114 University of Texas at Austin Austin, Texas 78712 swinnea@emx.utexas.edu swinnea@utxvm.bitnet ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 29 Oct 90 15:10 CST From: "William R. Hutchison" <HUTCHISON@ucs.uwplatt.edu> Subject: The tab key and HC Hello, I would like to have a tab key press in a HyperCard field cause the cursor to go to the next tabstop and not the next field on that card. It would equally be nice to have HyperCard include the tab's when you "paste" text into a field. I am using HC 2.0 and thought I read that it was going to have support for tab's in fields? Is there anyone out there who has suggestions, or a script, or possibly a XCMD that will do the above? Please reply directly to me and I will summarize for the net. Thanks, Bill Hutchison University of Wisconsin - Platteville Internet: hutchison@ucs.uwplatt.edu GEnie : WRH ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 26 Oct 90 09:46:06 PDT From: Eric_Poustie@cc.sfu.ca Subject: Virus info Seems to me there used to be a large document in the Info-Mac archive that gave an up-to-date breakdown of all known viruses, along with the best methods of eradication. Most important of this information (to me, anyways) was the modus operandi of each. Can someone please direct me to where this information is now squirelled away? ================================================================== | Eric B. Poustie | My BBS: Generic (604) 574-1199 | | 17342 - 62A Avenue |------------------------------------| | Surrey, BC V3S 5J1 | Hardware used: Mac SE & AT | | Canada | Interests: Macintosh, motorcyling | |================================================================| [ These opinions are my own - my wife won't take responsibility! ] ================================================================== ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 26 Oct 90 02:43:43 EDT From: "Kirke B. Lawton" <LAWK%UORVM.BITNET@forsythe.stanford.edu> Subject: White Knight update wanted I have heard that a new White Knight updater is available that converts 11.08 to 11.10. I would greatly appreciate it if someone could send a copy to the archives, as the most recent version there is 11.08. Thanks, Kirke ------------------------------ End of Info-Mac Digest ******************************