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Info-Mac Digest Wed, 14 Nov 90 Volume 8 : Issue 190 Today's Topics: [*] BNDL and MENU patches for ResEdit 1.2 [*] macmimic-10.hqx [*] MandelZot 3.0 [*] Report - Macintosh Educational Prices Array boundaries in C (think C, V4) Bad Bug in Hypercard 2.0 ...no reply from the hypercard team..... Cleaning the keyboard drive light to keyboard (?) Educational/Math software educational scheduling software Flame on Symantec Graphing Functions Help with FoxBase+/Mac Hidden Screen Help Mysterious NCSA Telnet Crashes New Educational Fractal Software No Desktop file & no room to put it?? non-USA purchases Pasting into Word. Quark & new keyboard resources are a pain Question about database packages Stuffit Deluxe bugs? Thanks! THINK C with no errors Turbo Pascal Fonts on Mac - any ideas ! Voice Recognition and SID What can be done with surplus 256K SIMMs? Your Info-Mac Moderators are Bill Lipa, Lance Nakata, and Jon Pugh. The Info-Mac archives are available (by using FTP, account anonymous, any password) in the info-mac directory on sumex-aim.stanford.edu [36.44.0.6]. Help files are in /info-mac/help. Indices are in /info-mac/help/recent-files.txt and /info-mac/help/all-files.txt. Please send articles and binaries to info-mac@sumex-aim.stanford.edu. Send administrative mail to info-mac-request@sumex-aim.stanford.edu. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Tue, 2 Oct 90 10:29:17 -0700 From: Greg L. Anderson <greggor@apple.com> Subject: [*] BNDL and MENU patches for ResEdit 1.2 This file contains the patches to ResEdit 1.2 written by Alan T. Goates. They add improved BNDL and MENU editors. [Archived as /info-mac/resedit-12-bndl-menu.hqx; 45K] ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 3 Oct 90 10:12:46 +0100 From: Anders Sundin <sundinKC@dna.lth.se> Subject: [*] macmimic-10.hqx This is a demo of the release version of MacMimic (version 1.0). MacMimic is an application for the display, construction and comparison of molecular models in full 3-D. It runs on the Macintosh II family of computers and it requires a 256 colour monitor and 2 MBytes of memory. All features of the full version are included in the demo, except that the demo can not save or print molecules. I intend to always keep the newest version of the MacMimic demo available by anonymous ftp from pollux.lu.se 130.235.132.89 in the directory pub/mac/demo Anders Sundin mail: Organic Chemistry 2, Chemical Center email: Box 124 sundinKC@dna.lth.se S-221 00 Lund ok2aps@seldc52.bitnet Sweden [Archived as /info-mac/demo/macmimic-10.hqx; 221K] ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 3 Oct 90 18:30:08 PDT From: dplatt@coherent.com (Dave Platt) Subject: [*] MandelZot 3.0 This posting contains version 3.0 of MandelZot, a program for exploring the Mandelbrot set and other fractals. This version replaces version 2.1, released at about this time last year. Version 3.0 has two major enhancements over earlier versions: * It's extensible... it can iterate formulae other than the Mandelbrot quadratic. You can write your own iteration modules, and use MandelZot to explore almost any formula you can think of. You can even explore non-Mandelbrot'ish constructs, such as chaotic attractors. * It has improved support for 32-bit Color QuickDraw. You can have thousands of colors on-screen if you have a 24-bit color card. You can print (or create slides with) thousands of colors, even if you only have an 8-bit color card. You can use dithering to view MandelZot's color images with a 4-bit (16-color) color card. It also adheres much more closely to the Apple Human Interface Guidelines (it has real "Open" and "Save" commands, for example). This multi-part posting includes the MandelZot application itself, an "Extensions" folder containing several colorsets and a chaotic attractor module, and a "Coordinates" folder containing coordinate-point files that you can investigate (many of these files were contributed by Wayne Kauffman and Stuart Dole). Documentation on version 3.0 follows in a separate posting. If you happen to see a copy of the "Fractal Cosmos 1991" calendar in a bookstore, take a look. Four of the images in this year's calendar, including the one on the cover, were calculated and imaged by people using MandelZot 2.1. [I have no financial interest in this calendar, aside from the one free copy I received from the publishers.] MandelZot is not in the public domain... I retain the copyright... but anyone may use it for free, and pass it around via the usual freeware distribution channels. Just don't sell it without my permission! Dave Platt VOICE: (415) 493-8805 UUCP: ...!{ames,apple,uunet}!coherent!dplatt DOMAIN: dplatt@coherent.com INTERNET: coherent!dplatt@ames.arpa, ...@uunet.uu.net USNAIL: Coherent Thought Inc. 3350 West Bayshore #205 Palo Alto CA 94303 [Archived as /info-mac/app/mandelzot-30.hqx; 186K /info-mac/app/mandelzot-30-docs.hqx; 180K] ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 13 Nov 90 14:09:22 PST From: Jay_Handel@mtsg.ubc.ca Subject: [*] Report - Macintosh Educational Prices This report contains a comparison of educational prices for Apple's new line-up of Macintosh computers. It is the summary I promised Info-Mac readers in my request for prices in the Info-Mac Digest (Volume 8 : Issue 172). This report includes prices from seven Canadian universities, * UBC, Simon Fraser, Waterloo, Laval, Saskatchewan, Calgary, and Manitoba, and eight American universities, * Yale, Calvin College, Michigan Tech, LLNL (California), River Falls (Wisconsin), Buffalo (SUNY), Carnegie Mellon, and Tennesse Tech). While the report is not exhaustive, it is, I believe, a fairly good sampling of Mac prices. Individuals contemplating the purchase of a Macintosh should find it a useful reference. The report is an 11-page MS Word 4.0 document, formatted to be printed on a LaserWriter. (I used Word in order to take advantage of its table-making ability.) The file is stuffed and binhexed. Jay Handel Administrative, Adult and Higher Education University of British Columbia Vancouver, BC Internet: jay_handel@mtsg.ubc.ca [preferred] Bitnet: userjayh@ubcmtsg [Archived as /info-mac/report/university-prices.hqx; 33K] ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 13 Nov 90 10:52:03 LCL From: Michael Perrone <A2MP%PSUORVM.BITNET@forsythe.stanford.edu> Subject: Array boundaries in C (think C, V4) /* Is not a "C" problem, it's inherent in the MC 680x0 architecture. So you wont find any way around that. Here is an easy way that does not involve dynamic memory allocation. Create an abstract data type which you call as a function that returns your array element type. The simplest solution is going to use 3 arrays - there's no way around that. Consider: */ /* global data structures */ int first[32000], second[32000], third[10000]; int get_element(element) int element; { if(element<32000) return first[element]; else if (element<64000) return second[element-32000]; else return third[element-64000]; } void insert_element(element, item) int element, item; { if(element<32000) first[element]=item; else if (element<64000) second[element-32000]=item; else third[element-64000]=item; } /* you probably want to add some error checking ------------------------------------------------------------------------ | Michael Perrone, Macintosh Programmer | | Portland State University | | Office of Computing and Information Services | | Microcomputer and Administrative Systems Services | | Bitnet: a2mp@psuorvm.bitnet | | Internet: a2mp@psuorvm.cc.pdx.edu | | Voice: (503) 725-3112 | | Address: P.O. Box 751, Portland OR 97207 | -----------------------------------------------------------------------*/ ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 13 Nov 90 11:16:08 PST From: Tom Lincoln <lincoln%iris@rand.org> Subject: Bad Bug in Hypercard 2.0 ...no reply from the hypercard team..... I sent the following serious bug off on Oct 31 and expected to hear something back. No luck. Code of the type noted below is integral to stacks that I now support. It allows one to add logic to menu commands -- to trap certain cases, to give message feedback, etc. These are particularly important when designing stacks for novice users. How will Apple and Claris handle serious bugs that are brought to their attention?? ------- Forwarded Message Received: from localhost by iris.rand.org; Wed, 31 Oct 90 07:23:00 PST To: MALLER1@applelink.apple.com Cc: lincoln@iris, Jody_Paul <jody@rand.org>, David_Taylor <taylor@rand.org> Subject: Script bug in HyperCard 2.0 (well tested) Date: Wed, 31 Oct 90 07:22:59 PST >From: Tom Lincoln <lincoln@iris> Steve: The following bug can be generated with 8 lines of code (4 in a background; 4 in the script): (HyperCard source is CD ROM version.) Background Script: on doMenu cmd if cmd is "Message" then messkit else pass doMenu end doMenu Stack Script: on messkit beep -- for effect... doMenu "Message" end messkit On the first card of the stack this behaves properly and toggles the message window. On subsequent cards (1 background) it recurses and bombs. This happens consistently with other doMenu commands. The phenomenon is present under 6.0.5 to 6.0.7 and from fx to Mac Plus. Found it in the first 10 minutes of use in a converted stack of my own design. Tom Lincoln p q \|/ /|\ TOM LINCOLN lincoln@rand.org \|/ "Life is short, art is long, opportunity fugitive, /|\ experimenting dangerous, reasoning difficult." ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 13 Nov 90 16:59 GMT From: Big Nose <LAWA%IAPE.AFRC.AC.UK@forsythe.stanford.edu> Subject: Cleaning the keyboard Dear All, I just spilt coffee on my keyboard and mouse. I think I dried them out OK and they seem to be working again, but the keys are a bit grubby anyway and I was wondering if it is possible to take them off idividually and clean both the keys and behind them. The mac itself is well out of warranty, and well insured, so don't panic anyone. I'm not even going to think about it again unless several people tell me they've done it OK. Has anybody done this? Andy Law. LAWA @ UK.AC.AFRC.IAPE Big Nose in Edinburgh ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 14 Nov 90 15:05:44 EST From: George <ST701640@brownvm.brown.edu> Subject: drive light to keyboard (?) I noticed that there were a few cdevs or inits out there that could indicate whether the Mac internal hard drive is working or not. I'm one of those un- fortunate many who's internal drive doesn't display a light to tell you when the hard drive is working or not. My question is this: Is there any way that one can program an init or cdev that will show when the hard drive is working, but to display the info as one of the extended keyboard lights instead? I think that would be less obtrusive than displaying the use of the hard drive on the Mac screen, while still giving you information about its operations. If this is possible, I'm wondering if anyone would actually program this init. I'm sure many people would appreciate it, and it's not even that diffi- cult to program, I think. Thanks in advance... George Lai ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 13 Nov 90 14:05:38 CST From: ST5845%SIUCVMB.BITNET@forsythe.stanford.edu Subject: Educational/Math software I am looking for (mail order) dealers of Macintosh software that carry or specialize in educational or mathematical software. If you know of any, I would be interested in receiving addresses and phone numbers. If I receive any interesting answers, I will summarize for the net. ------------------------------ Date: Wed 14 Nov 90 06:02:10-HST From: Harold Miller <CNET2SH@uhccvx.uhcc.hawaii.edu> Subject: educational scheduling software Recently I posted a request here asking for info on scheduling software for our high school. No one responded with answers, but several wanted to know more about it themselves. Fortunately, I also uploaded my request to Applelink, and got several responses. Two recommending the same program: MacSchool...but I believe it is quite expensive. Here is a typical message I received about it. ------------------- Our school system uses the MacSchool scheduling module by Chancery Software. It works great, with schools having enrollments up to 1600 students. MacSchool is a complete, integrated administrative package which features modules on Library Automation, scheduling, student details, etc. Seperate modules are available if you do now wish to implement everything at once. Send Chancery E-Mail at Applelink D0023 and request a brochure. You might want to call one of our guidance counselors for more information. Ken Wood at Ridgeland High School is very familiar with the scheduling portion of MacSchool. His # is 404-820-9063. --------------------(end of message) Another person had more to say about several other programs: The Missouri School Boards Association markets a stand alone version of a Macintosh scheduling program. Your contact at MSBA is Michael McClaskey at 800-221-MSBA. Other than this, there are a number of full featured programs with scheduling modules such as Mac School (800-663-8831), Modular Management for Schools (603-664-5811) and SIMS (206-456-1888.) ----------------------(end of message) If you don't have access to Applelink, you can email MacSchool on bitnet using this address: D0023@applelink.apple.com Keep in mind that they can't REPLY to your message, so include your mailing address and/or phone number. Harold Miller Maui, Hawaii CNET2SH@UHCCVX.BITNET ------- ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 13 Nov 1990 13:44-0500 From: Mark Nahabedian <naha@yukon.scrc.symbolics.com> Subject: Flame on Symantec Date: Tue, 6 Nov 90 21:03:32 +0100 From: Rainer Daeschler <agda001%CONVEX.ZDV.UNI-TUEBINGEN.DE@forsythe.stanford.edu> Subject: Flame on Symantec ----------------------------Original message---------------------------- ----------------------------Original message---------------------------- > 6) Another call to the nearest dealer only worsened the problem: the cost > of the upgrade (which for THINK C is $69 in the US) is $250 in > Austria! There is no localization involved whatsoever so I simply > cannot understand where the large price-difference comes into play. This is not the only company doing that. It is hard to understand why software changes it price to that extend, just for a nationals release. For a word-processor, national modification are necessary, since the spellingchecker and the hyphenation-algorithm has to be changed. For a compiler it is rediciulus. The compiler has to tranlate into the machine-code for a motorola chip, not into Austrian German. [...] I may be mistaken, but isn't Austria one of the countries with high data and software import tariffs. I've heard stories of people shipping disks and tapes as "Used computer equiptment" The person theyu were sending them to could afford to pay the duties on them. I'm not sure if it's still the case, but there was a time when Canada had an import duty on software that was proportional to its development cost. It's easy to imagine how such tariffs can be circumvented over the telephone network. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 13 Nov 90 18:56:13 -0500 (EST) From: Donn Hoffman <dh1s+@andrew.cmu.edu> Subject: Graphing Functions I need a simple program for graphing functions, including integrals. Any suggestions? Thanks, -- DH1S@ANDREW.CMU.EDU ------------------------------ Date: Tue 13 Nov 90 14:43:40-EST From: s. filippi <FILIPPIS@a.isi.edu> Subject: Help with FoxBase+/Mac Greetings, I am writing an application using FoxBase and I have a dilema. I would like to have one Form for input of data. On that form I would like to have one field called SSN that would get input from the user and place the data in two seperate Database files. I'm a novice with FoxBase and any help would be greatly appreciated. Please respond via email to filippis@a.isi.edu. Thanks in advance, Steve Filippi filippis@a.isi.edu ------- ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 14 Nov 1990 15:33:52 PST From: Carl_A._Steinhilber.osbu_south@xerox.com Subject: Hidden Screen Help I've heard that, at least on the original Mac II, there is a "Go" or other shell command one can use after one has pressed the programers interupt switch to see a hidden screen filled with bit-map scans of the development team. I know that this sounds pretty childish (read: Nintendo-ish)... but I've tried to convince my friend that such a screen exists, to no avail. If anyone can help with the proper command, I'd appreciate it. Carl ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 14 Nov 90 06:05:04 EST From: Steve Cavrak <SJC%UVMVM.BITNET@forsythe.stanford.edu> Subject: Mysterious NCSA Telnet Crashes Patrick Bray of Think.Com reports mysterious crashed when running NCSA Telnet sessions to a Sun 4/490. They mystery was deeper than usual because they are running a very large Macintosh client base and this is the only machine that crashes. Known nasty CDEV's and INIT's have been removed. What's up? I had a similar experience, and discovered, to my dismay, that it was a very nice CDEV that caused the crash ... my After Dark Screen Saver was the culprit -- or the crashes went away when I turned AD off. Moire doesn't cause a problem. See ya Steve ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 14 Nov 90 12:12:07 CST From: ST5845%SIUCVMB.bitnet%lilac.Berkeley.EDU@ucbvax.berkeley.edu Subject: New Educational Fractal Software Koyn Software has released IFS Explorer(TM), an educational and entertaining software package for the Macintosh that allows the user to create and explore fractals. The user may explore the Fractal Library(TM), a collection of over 60 premade fractals. IFS Explorer's powerful zoom function lets the user zoom in up to 100,000,000 times, allowing observation of the infinite detail in fractal images. The user may create new fractals using iterated function systems (IFS's for short). A fractal is described as a collection of pieces, each of which is a geometrically transformed copy of the original. A fractal description is entered in a spreadsheet-like window, where each row specifies a geometrical transformation for one of the pieces. Fractals are rendered by random iteration, a process involving starting with a point and repeatedly applying randomly chosen transformations to it. The variety of images that can be created by this apparently chaotic means is surprising. Fractal images may be exported to other applications via the clipboard or PICT files. The endless variety of images IFS Explorer produces are useful for advertising, stationery, and other graphic design projects. The educational user guide explains IFS's in an easy to understand way that is accessible to anyone who has had some experience in algebra and coordinate geometry. IFS Explorer is useful in college mathematics courses that cover fractals or chaos theory because it allows students to explore fractals by hands-on experimentation. It is also useful as a self-study aid to enthusiasts of fractals, chaos theory, and/or math. IFS Explorer requires a Macintosh 512KE or newer, an 800K floppy disk drive and System Software 4.1 or newer. IFS Explorer is available directly from Koyn Software for $49.95 plus $2.00 shipping & handling. Education discounts and a Classroom Kit are available to universities and faculty. Koyn Software may be reached at: Koyn Software 1754 Sprucedale St. Louis, MO 63146 (314) 878-9125. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 13 Nov 90 13:00:09 EST From: Mark Edward Toomey <MTOOMEY@uga.cc.uga.edu> Subject: No Desktop file & no room to put it?? This is indeed a new one on me. A grad student's disk wouldn't mount. The last time he had access to it he was prompted that the disk appeared damaged but he clicked 'No' to the request for repairing it. The next time he put it in the machine he was prompted for initilization. I tried Symantec's Disk Clinic first. No worky. It said the desktop file was damaged. I then tried to rebuild the destop on the floppy but was informed that there wasn't enough room on the floppy to put the desktop file. So, I can't mount the disk to remove something to allow space for the desktop file as there is no desktop file with which to mount the floppy! The data is not extremely crucial to maintain but for future reference I would like to know how to force mount the floppy to enable file management. I don't know if Norton for the Mac allows such management as it's PC version does but as we don't own Norton I guess that's a moot point. Any suggestions are welcome. ************************************************************************** Mark Edward Toomey Disclaimer: I only speak for Computer Services Specialist myself, although College of Family & Consumer Sciences sometimes I wonder University of Georgia even about that! BITNET: MTOOMEY@UGA Internet: mtoomey@uga.cc.uga.edu Voice: 404-542-4864 or 404-542-4651 FAX: 404-542-4862 ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 13 Nov 1990 09:54:58 PST From: nethery.parc@xerox.com Subject: non-USA purchases Date 11/13/90 Subject non-USA purchases >From Kee Nethery To info-mac, Lorraine Subject:non-USA purchases To all those complaining about the high prices charged by non-USA distributors of USA produced Mac products, I would like to recommend a place in the USA to buy stuff that provides great service, reasonable prices, and sells outside the USA. I'm not the only one who likes them, many Mac books and trade rags mention them. They are: ComputerWare International Sales Phone: 415-496-1003 Fax 415-855-9440 AppleLink: X0996 Internet: X0996@Applelink.Apple.Com Telex & Answerback: 9102408377 (Computerware) No, I don't work for them, own any part of them, I just buy from them and think they do an excellent job. Kee Nethery ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 13 Nov 90 17:02 GMT From: Big Nose <LAWA%IAPE.AFRC.AC.UK@forsythe.stanford.edu> Subject: Pasting into Word. Dear All, Is it possible to paste text with formatting (i.e. some invisible, some bold etc) into Word 4.00 from other applications (specifically Hypercard, but others will give pointers). Thanks Andy Law. LAWA @ UK.AC.AFRC.IAPE Big Nose in Edinburgh ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 14 Nov 90 02:15:31 EST From: Pete Tamas <V5296E%TEMPLEVM.BITNET@ricevm1.rice.edu> Subject: Quark & new keyboard resources are a pain I created a new keyboard layout w/ Resedit. However, Quark (Quirk??) XPress did not run w/ the new keyboard selected, only if US keyboard is selected. Per- haps to keep foreign users from using the presumably less expensive US version. Pete 'Pete Tamas mac-l@yalevm 11/14/90 Quark & new keyboard resources Acknowledge-To: <V5296E@TEMPLEVM> ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 14 Nov 90 12:41 CDT From: JB6541A@acad.drake.edu Subject: Question about database packages Hello netters: I'm working on a proposal to computerize the album list and tracking of a small college radio station. Requirements are: a database containing records of several thousand LPs and CDs, searchable by group/artist, album title, and individual song title. In addition, we'd like to be able to set up a form so that DJs could enter the songs they play during their shift. The computer (instead of the general manager) would then compile a list of the top 30 or so songs played during the week, top 10 albums, etc. I've heard from one station using Double Helix, and a recommendation of using HyperCard. Anyone have experience with this situation, or just know of an easy-to-work-with database program? Thanks in advance for all suggestions! John Bykowski President, Drake Broadcasting Drake University BITNET: JB6541A@DRAKE INTERNET: JB6541A@ACAD.DRAKE.EDU PHONE: 515-271-2766 ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 14 Nov 90 12:31:22 PST From: ST701640@brownvm.brown.edu Subject: Stuffit Deluxe bugs? When I get a program stuffed with regular stuffit and try to unstuff it with Stuffit Deluxe by clicking on the stuffed file on the desktop, the compter bombs big time. It's rather annoying, because I keep on forgettiing that this doesn't work. Can anyone tell me what's wrong? I'm using system 6.0.5 on a Mac SE/30 with an internal 30 meg hard drive. I'd aprreciate any help. George Lai st701640@brownvm.brown.edu ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 14 Nov 90 10:30:50 EST From: Chris Jones <UOG00162%VM.UoGuelph.CA@forsythe.stanford.edu> Subject: Thanks! Thanks to the many courteous replies that I received for my "big arrays' question. I hadn't had nearly enough time to try all the suggestions, so if one works dramatically well, I'll post again with some even more effusive thanks. Chris Jones UOG00162@VM.UOGUELPH OPPCODE: LSBL Lose Super BLock )UNIX only! OPPCODE: RCSD Read Card and Scramble Data Fast ship? You mean you've never heard of the Millennium Falcon? ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 14 Nov 90 12:42:23 LCL From: Michael Perrone <A2MP%PSUORVM.BITNET@forsythe.stanford.edu> Subject: THINK C with no errors Mr Jones gave me the impression he didn't want to deal with memory manager routines, but if you are going to advise him to do so, you should include some error checking. I'd revise you're program to check that the memory manager was able to find or make a contiguous block that size in the heap. It may not matter in a small program, but it is good habit to be in when using memory manager routines: #include <stdio.h> main() { int *p; p = (int *) NewPtr(65536 * sizeof(int)); if (p==NULL) {SysBeep(1); goto MEMERROR;} /* In practice, avoid goto if possible */ p[16384] = -19; printf("The number is %d.\n\n", *(p+16384)); DisposPtr(p); return; MEMERROR: printf("Couldn't allocate the space\n"); } ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 13 NOV 90 08:13:55 GMT From: AEIC0456%VAX1.CENTRE.QUEENS-BELFAST.AC.UK@forsythe.stanford.edu Subject: Turbo Pascal Fonts on Mac - any ideas ! I'm working with a bunch of Turbo Pascal addicts who over the past 3 years have developed an authoring system on DOS platforms using TP. We're now writing an executor for the Mac, problems with Fonts but. For the screens to look right (text centred exactly in boxes and so on) we'd really need the Turbo fonts on Mac. Even with Borland's consent this would be a long and tedious task, decoding the vector format these seem to be stored in, preparing corresponding bitmaps for Mac etc. and scaling up to different sizes. Anyone been down this way before ? Can anyone think of an easier solution. Many thanks for any help. George Munroe, Queens University Belfast ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 13 Nov 90 17:03 EDT From: RAFST3@vms.cis.pitt.edu Subject: Voice Recognition and SID Hello. I hope that someone can help me. Sometime ago (perhaps a couple of months) I picked up a hypercard stack that did some _very_ rudimentary voice recognition. I think it came with some SID/SIDII stuff, but I'm not sure. Of course, I threw it out after looking at it, but now I find that I would like to look at it more closely. For the life of me, I cannot remember where it came from. Has anyone seen this? I think MacUser mentioned it recently, but they didn't give it a name. As I said, it is very simple. As I recall, it is able to learn the sound for the letter "A". Please, someone help me! Read Fritsch RAFST3@vms.cis.pitt.edu thanks........... ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 14 Nov 90 21:32 EST From: NECHO%NCSUMVS.BITNET@forsythe.stanford.edu Subject: What can be done with surplus 256K SIMMs? Hello, Our department plans to take advantage of currently low SIMM prices to upgrade the RAM in our MacII and MacPluses. Each machine is "maxed out" with 256K SIMMs which will be replaced with the 1Meg variety. Can anything be done with all these old SIMMs? Are they truely obsolete? Can four of 'em be wired together to substitute for a 1Meg? Any suggestions that might help our Fed-funded department conserve our resources (read: Your tax dollars) is welcome. Serious, and wisenheimer, responses will be summarized and posted. Thanks for your help. Scott Knowles <nECHO@NCSUMVS> ------------------------------ End of Info-Mac Digest ******************************