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Info-Mac Digest Sun, 18 Nov 90 Volume 8 : Issue 192 Today's Topics: .Z files. 8*24 GC card Problems Array boundaries in C (Think C, V4) Bad bug ind HyperCard 2.0 Disk Catalog Utilities Ethernet for SE's FTP sites obsolete Graphing program recommendations? helpful reply from Apple Help with CalComp Plotmaster Help with FoxBase+/Mac Hypercard timeout Info-Mac Digest V8 #190 Info-Mac Digest V8 #191 (2 msgs) Laplink/maclink LaserMax 800dpi upgrade Logic Courseware Mac Classic macdraw to wordperfect on a pc Macps problems MS Word footnote Musical scores and OCR software No Disktop/Disk full Thanks NTSC from Apple 8/24 board PD Text Editors Programming Q: shifted fill?! prolog and lisp for the mac Quark XPress and KCHRs SoundEdit 2.3 and Word 5.0 teachtextmaker The final 'Word' on EPSF graphics uEmacs Manual Your Info-Mac Moderators are Bill Lipa, Lance Nakata, and Jon Pugh. The Info-Mac archives are available (by using FTP, account anonymous, any password) in the info-mac directory on sumex-aim.stanford.edu [36.44.0.6]. Help files are in /info-mac/help. Indices are in /info-mac/help/recent-files.txt and /info-mac/help/all-files.txt. Please send articles and binaries to info-mac@sumex-aim.stanford.edu. Send administrative mail to info-mac-request@sumex-aim.stanford.edu. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: 17 Nov 90 10:41:00 EDT From: "J. SCOTT WEAVER" <fweaver@bigvax.alfred.edu> Subject: .Z files. Lou Casagrande asks: >... I recently saw in the digests (V.8, #180), a question refering to the .Z >compression that other ftp sites use. I, too, have run into a brick wall trying >to figure out how to decompress these files. Can anyone point me in the right >direction, or is this not a Mac decompression scheme? What is it, then? To work with .Z files, get MacCompress-3.2 from the archives. Easy to use -- just make sure the file names end in .Z. Decompression often results in a .tar file. For these, use tar-2.0 from the archives. Both are in the /info-mac/util/ directory. DISCLAIMER: Only a humble opinion, but mine own. J. Scott Weaver Bitnet: fweaver@ceramics Geology Department Internet: fweaver@bigvax.alfred.edu Alfred University <192.31.254.1> Alfred, NY 14802 Phone: (607-871-2203) ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 18 Nov 90 12:03:07 HNE From: Carlos Reed <CLRPFSE%LAVALVM1.BITNET@forsythe.stanford.edu> Subject: 8*24 GC card Problems Hi there! I had experienced the following incompatibility with the 8*24 GC on a Mac IIci Configuration Softwear-----> (System 6.05, finder, 8*24 GC init cdev) Hardwear-----> Nec MacSync, pluged in the 8 bit card from apple (Yes, three cards...the built in card, 8 bit card, and the 8*24 GC card) 1) Virtual memory dosent work 2) I have a MacCache card from UR*MICRO. If the card is on the slot, I got the welcome message, but the mac stops working there. So in order to make it work I have to take away the Cavhe Card and turn off Virtual memory. I'd been doing some tests with claris cad and i didn't found any diferences with or without the 8*24 GC card. Are there any softwear now, that takes advantage of the card? Any comentaries,sujestions ? Thanks in advance! Carlos Reed ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 16 Nov 90 08:43 CST From: <JRA1854%TNTECH.BITNET@forsythe.stanford.edu> Subject: Array boundaries in C (Think C, V4) > Date: Tue, 13 Nov 90 10:52:03 LCL > From: Michael Perrone <A2MP%PSUORVM.BITNET@forsythe.stanford.edu> > Subject: Array boundaries in C (think C, V4) > > Is not a "C" problem, it's inherent in the MC 680x0 architecture. > .... This problem is NOT inherent in the 680x0 architecture. The 680x0 processor has 32-bit address registers and 32-bit data registers (eight of each). An addressing mode exists (address register indirect with index) which uses as the address the sum of three items: the contents of an address register, the contents of an index register (either an address or data register can be used as an index register; it is treated as a signed 32-bit integer), and a signed 8-bit displacement. This instruction is capable of addressing an array of 2,147,483,648 (2~31) bytes (assuming that the base address is contained in an address register and the offset is contained in an index register). Any limitations on the array size are either in the Macintosh operating system (the memory manager routines?) or the language compiler. It is the 8086 and 80286 architecture which has the inherent 64k limitation. The 80386 has major architectural changes which have remedied this problem. Jeff Austen, Tennessee Technological University, Bitnet: jra1854@tntech ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 16 Nov 90 11:06 EDT From: <PJORGENS%COLGATEU.BITNET@forsythe.stanford.edu> (Peter Jorgensen) Subject: Bad bug ind HyperCard 2.0 Tom Lincoln writes (in digest 190) >From: Tom Lincoln <lincoln%iris@rand.org> >Subject: Bad Bug in Hypercard 2.0 ...no reply from the hypercard team..... > >I sent the following serious bug off on Oct 31 and expected to hear >something back. No luck. > >Steve: > > >The following bug can be generated with 8 lines of code (4 in a background; >4 in the script): (HyperCard source is CD ROM version.) > >Background Script: > >on doMenu cmd > if cmd is "Message" then messkit > else pass doMenu >end doMenu > >Stack Script: > >on messkit > beep -- for effect... > doMenu "Message" >end messkit > > >On the first card of the stack this behaves properly and toggles the >message window. On subsequent cards (1 background) it recurses and >bombs. This happens consistently with other doMenu commands. > >The phenomenon is present under 6.0.5 to 6.0.7 and from fx to Mac Plus. >Found it in the first 10 minutes of use in a converted stack of my >own design. > I think the bug is that this works AT ALL. Tom's programmed an endless loop by sending a message (doMenu "Message") which he also has a handler for, which ends up sending the message again. Messages sent from a stack script go first to the current card script, then to the background, then the stack, and then on to Home and HC. This is a useful and important feature of HyperCard, not a bug. A correct way to implement his design is: on messkit -- this is in the stack script beep -- for effect... send "DoMenu" && quote & "message" & quote to HyperCard end messkit This will prevent the message from going through the background script again. As far as Apple being unresponsive goes, I agree completely. It's too bad that they don't respond better. Still, their response is better than a lot of companies. Hope this helps. Peter Jorgensen Microcomputer specialist Colgate University - Hamilton, NY 13346 AppleLink - U0523 BITNET - PJORGENSEN@COLGATEU tel - 315-824-1000 ext 742 ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 17 Nov 90 02:31 PST From: Don Nakanishi/Gann Matsuda <IYI4DTN@oac.ucla.edu> Subject: Disk Catalog Utilities A good commercial disk cataloger is DiskQuick, by Ideaform. Works very well. Catalogs floppies and hard drives. Can import to a word processor (text file). I've been using it for about 3 years now without any problems. No bombs, nothing. Works on a IIci too! Gann Matsuda UCLA Asian American Studies Center BITNET: IYI4DTN@UCLAMVS INTERNET: iyi4dtn@oac.ucla.edu ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 16 Nov 90 15:21:10 EDT From: Kathy DuBose <DUBOSE%AKRONVM.BITNET@ricevm1.rice.edu> Subject: Ethernet for SE's We are currently running Appleshare over LocalTalk to network or Mac SE's and Mac II's. However we would like to begin using Ethernet cabling. I would appreciate any information that you could give me on this venture. In particular, I would like information about buying Ethernet cards, etc. for the SE's. You may reply directly to me if you would like. Kathy DuBose DUBOSE@AKRONVM ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 18 Nov 90 11:39:26 CST From: PHYSN224%UMCVMB.BITNET@forsythe.stanford.edu Subject: FTP sites obsolete The FTP SITES list which appeared in number 188 of the Digest is an old list and includes several non-existant hosts, and several which no longer maintain Macintosh files. For example, arisia.xerox.com lists nothing in its mac directory. Jon Granrose maintains a current list and it is available from a number of sites such as doc.cso.uiuc.edu, in the pc+mac directory, under the name ftp.list. C.J. Peterson Disclaimer: the University of Missouri is not responsible for its faculty nor their opinions. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 16 Nov 90 18:33 EDT From: "Roger Marks, Boulder, CO. 303-497-3037" <MARKS@enh.nist.gov> Subject: Graphing program recommendations? I'm looking for a good plotting/graphing program. Can anyone direct me to a published comparison of some of the prominent choices, such as DeltaGraph, Kaleidagraph, and Cricket Graph? Any personal comments would also be greatly appreciated. Roger ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 16 Nov 90 09:34:33 PST From: Tom Lincoln <lincoln%iris@rand.org> Subject: helpful reply from Apple ------- Forwarded Message >From: John Kevin Calhoun <jkc@apple.com> To: lincoln@rand.org re - Script bug in HyperCard 2.0 I'm sorry to say that it's not possible for us to respond to all of the bug reports personally. The charitable assumption, of course, is that we're spending our time fixing them and implementing our next new features. Let me suggest that in the future you send bug reports for HyperCard to HYPERBUG$@applelink.apple.com and SNOWBUG@applelink.apple.com. This will ensure that you bug report is filed in the HyperCard bugbase, and that one of the members of our test team will become its champion. Sending them directly to one of the engineers is risky -- you're relying on diligence that goes far beyond the call of duty. I know that Steve, Martin, and I have been doing our best to respond to bug reports that come to us via e-mail, but it's really easier for all parties concerned if you go through the channels that our test team has established. Steve and I looked at your bug report and classified it as serious but not fatal -- therefore, we didn't fix it for 2.0v2, for which we were given just enough time to handle the fatal bugs. Until we fix it, you can use the following workaround: In the background script: on doMenu what if what is "message" then -- do the messkit stuff beep send the params to HyperCard else pass doMenu end doMenu Thanks for sending us the bug report. We'll fix it, I promise. In the meantime, I hope this helps. Kevin Calhoun HyperCard Team Apple Computer, Inc. ------- End of Forwarded Message ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 16 Nov 90 10:32:50 MST From: ASQB-IHX HQ USAISSDC <asqb-ihx@huachuca-emh2.army.mil> Subject: Help with CalComp Plotmaster I am trying to find out if a Mac II can operate with the CalComp Plotmaster. The doc with the CalComp only gives a POBox and no phone number. We have this printer and want to use it to generate color transparencies. Has anyone done this, or know how to get in touch with Calcomp? Thanks John Buono ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 16 Nov 90 06:41:27 GMT From: typ125m@monu6.cc.monash.edu.au (Mr John Wilkins) Subject: Help with FoxBase+/Mac Info-Mac@sumex-aim.stanford.edu writes: >Greetings, >I am writing an application using FoxBase and I have a dilema. I would like >to have one Form for input of data. On that form I would like to have one >field called SSN that would get input from the user and place the data in >two seperate Database files. I'm a novice with FoxBase and any help would >be greatly appreciated. >Please respond via email to filippis@a.isi.edu. >Thanks in advance, >Steve Filippi >filippis@a.isi.edu Try using a memory variable, and two GATHER statements to the different databases. -- John Wilkins, Manager, Publishing & Advertising, Monash University, Melbourne, Australia Internet: john@publications.ccc.monash.edu.au Disclaimer (in Quantificational Calculus): ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 16 Nov 90 16:32:25 EST From: "T. LaBorie" <tlaborie%sju.edu%RELAY.CS.NET@ricevm1.rice.edu> Subject: Hypercard timeout We are creating a Hypercard program for St. Joseph's University library. The Home stack is the main menu. Buttons on this stack open up other stacks with various kinds of library information in them. If someone stops using one of the information stacks I want the program to revert to the Home stack after a defined period of inactivity. Does anyone have a script that will accomplish this? Thanks, Tim LaBorie St. Joseph's University Philadelphia, PA 19131 tlaborie@sjuphil (bitnet) ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 16 Nov 90 13:24 EST From: Mike Hutchinson <HUTCHINS%ITHACA.BITNET@forsythe.stanford.edu> Subject: Info-Mac Digest V8 #190 Re: Hidden Screen help The following command will display three alternating bitmap scans of the Mac development team on an SE: G 41D89A I'm not sure that this will work on a Mac II. -- Mike Hutchinson Apple Student Representative Ithaca College, Ithaca NY HUTCHINS@ITHACA ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 18 Nov 90 20:17 EDT From: STBRAIMAN@vaxsar.vassar.edu Subject: Info-Mac Digest V8 #191 Last week the Poughkeepsie area was stuck by quite an incredible storm. Aside >From the usual inconveniences which normally accompany rain, many computers on campus were fried by power surges. As I could not afford to replace the computer system I currently own, I thought it would be worth looking into an Uninteruptable Power Supply (UPS). Although very expensive, I figure $200 is not a bad insurance poilicy. My question is: Has anyone had any experience with any of the models currently available. So as to make this fruitful for as many people as possible, I will not limit this simply to my configuration. If responses could include the capacities of the particular systems I will consolidate all the messages that I receive and post them. Thank you in advance, Stuart ------------------------------ Date: 19 Nov 90 03:30:35 GMT From: bgsuvax!maner@cis.ohio-state.edu (Walter Maner) Subject: Info-Mac Digest V8 #191 DAILEY@vaxsar.vassar.edu writes: >Where might I find out about Mac programs for instruction in >symbolic logic? Leslie Burkholder (Carnegie Mellon University) maintains an extensive list. There also exists a journal (COMPUTER LOGIC?) which reviews such software on a regular basis. Burkholder's email address is lb0q+@andrew.cmu.edu. WALT -- InterNet maner@andy.bgsu.edu (129.1.1.2) | BGSU, Comp Science Dept UUCP ... ! osu-cis ! bgsuvax ! maner | Bowling Green, OH 43403 BITNet MANER@BGSUOPIE | 419/372-2337 Secretary Relays @relay.cs.net, @nsfnet-relay.ac.uk | FAX is available - call ------------------------------ Date: SAT NOV 17, 1990 15.31.05 EST From: "Phil Williams" <PMW0%LEHIGH.BITNET@ricevm1.rice.edu> Subject: Laplink/maclink I am upgrading to a mac IIsi and have a couple of questions about transferring files from an IBM PC to the mac. I'm under the impression that I will recieve a AppleFileTransfer program with my new system. Can I just take an IBM disk and pop it in the 'ol mac or what? What kinds of files can be transferred? Can they be used with any application (i.e. Turbo Pascal). Can I do this backwards (ibm-->mac)? I seen advertisements for Laplink III and MacLink. It seems that both come with a cable and software. Are these better than the above mentioned method. If so which of the two should I go with? Any help would be greatly appreciated. Phil ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 16 Nov 90 12:26 MST From: JBPowlesland%UNCAMULT.BITNET@forsythe.stanford.edu Subject: LaserMax 800dpi upgrade Recently I received the October 1990 issue of ThePage (a publication for Macintosh dtp users) and noticed in the staff box that "Final output for this issue was from a LaserWriter IINT with a LaserMax 800dpi upgrade." In the next issue, the editor will discuss using the LaserMax. My question is, Does anyone else have experience using the LaserMax or any other high-resolution LaserWriter upgrade? ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 16 Nov 90 18:11:05 CST From: Graeme <PL0BALF@vm.tcs.tulane.edu> Subject: Logic Courseware To those looking for logic courseware (recent digests) I strongly recommend the MALT project's "MacLogic", available in North America >From the Philosophy Documentation Center, Bowling Green State U., OH 43403-0189. It implements minimal, intuitionistic, classical and modal logics using Gentzen rules and Lemmon format, and can operate both as a proof checker and constructor. There's a very generous site-license arrangement which even *my* department could afford. Warning: my opinion is biased, since I'm writing a textbook designed to be compatible with the program. Graeme Forbes ------------------------------ Date: 16 Nov 90 00:14:20 GMT From: orestes appel <oappel@copper.ucs.indiana.edu> Subject: Mac Classic Hi guys. I'm about to buy a Mac Classic HD 40/2. Does any one has any comment about this? I appreciate any advice or recommendation before it's too late(:-). Please poste something or send me e-mail. By the way, beside the word processing and graphical stuff I'd like to run Lisp and Scheme. Any comment? Thanks in advance. ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 17 Nov 90 18:51:13 -0500 From: nate@neutron.lcs.mit.edu Subject: macdraw to wordperfect on a pc I previously posted a question on how to get macdraw diagrams into word perfect on an ibm compatible pc. Here is a way that works. Store the macdraw diagram in PICT format, transfer to a pc and give the file a .pct extension. Import to corel draw and then output as a .eps file which can be imported to wordperfect. As a side benefit, the diagram can then be modified or maintained using corel draw on a pc. nate liskov ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 16 Nov 90 09:55:10 EST From: Loki Jorgenson Rm421 <loki@physics.mcgill.ca> Subject: Macps problems Hey ho.... We have a LaserWriter II NT hanging off of a SUN 3/50 running SUN OSv3.5. We use the spooling kit lwp from LWkit. When trying to print PostScript files created on a Mac (by using the infamous clover-F), we use the well-known macps facility (on the SUN) to tack the LaserPrep file on the front (people having done this will understand all this stuff). Our problem is with the resulting output from macps. The file contains some strange '\435414' characters at the beginnings of certain lines in the LaserPrep portion of the file. Oddly enough, I can't find any such beasts in the original PS file, in the LaserPrep file or anywhere in the source code (or .h files) of macps. So, my question is: Where is this coming from, why are they included by macps and why does my laser printer not like them ("undefined: 414")? Thanks in advance, __ __ / / \ \ Loki Jorgenson / /\/\/\/\/\/\ \ node: loki@physics.mcgill.ca Physics, McGill University < < > > fax: (514) 398-3733 Montreal Quebec CANADA \ \/\/\/\/\/\/ / phone: (514) 398-6531 \_\ /_/ __ __ <_< Claimer: I speak for everyone in their right mind... mine. >_> ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 16 Nov 90 15:57:24 est From: "Alan D Danziger" <aland@chaos.cs.brandeis.edu> Subject: MS Word footnote You can do this by cutting and pasting, with the "Footnote Reference Mark" rather than autonumbering (for the subsequent references), and by multiple "Insert Footnote" commands (do #10 the first time, then #11, then #15) as above for previously referenced notes. Good luck, -=Alan ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 16 Nov 90 05:30:34 PST From: Colleen_Shannon@cc.sfu.ca Subject: Musical scores and OCR software I have Omnipage and a scanner so understand the surface of the OCR endeavour. I require help, information and input/direction in my search for OCR software/methods for scanning scores and editing them with music programs...with Kursweil out there writing OCR, I am hoping there is something substantial that can be found for the job...and all tips on problems/solutions and software would be greatly appreciated!! I am ID=CSHA@sfu.ca or Colleen_Shannon@SFU.CA Thanx! ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 16 Nov 90 09:26:56 EST From: Mark Edward Toomey <MTOOMEY@uga.cc.uga.edu> Subject: No Disktop/Disk full Thanks Thanks to all the help on saving the disk too full for a desktop file. I used Disktools & it turned out there was plenty of room on the disk but some other problem (physical media damage?) I was able to copy all the files to another volume successfully anyway, so thanks again. Mark ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 16 Nov 90 10:27:42 MST From: ASQB-IHX HQ USAISSDC <asqb-ihx@huachuca-emh2.army.mil> Subject: NTSC from Apple 8/24 board Help, I keep reading that the Apple 8/24 board is capable of generating NTSC video, but no where is there instructions on how to assemble the cable. I keep hearing that Apple is going to have a cable for $50 for this, but the local dealer doesn't have a listing for it. Does anyone know what the cable looks like (pinout), or where a cable can be purchase. I am getting rather deparate, and would rather use direct video rather than a camcorder in front of the screen. Thanks John Buono ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 16 Nov 90 18:51:56 EST From: rudman@caen.engin.umich.edu (Daniel Edward Rudman) Subject: PD Text Editors Hello, netters! The University of Michigan Computer-Aided Engineering Network would like to dispose of Edit and begin use of a new general-purpose text editor. We don't particularly care for Edit's "change-one-letter's-font-change-the- whole-document" feature, nor it's lack of other abilities. If you have or know of any nice text editors that are public domain or freeware or happiware or whatever, please please mail me at the address listed below. Thank you greatly! Daniel E. Rudman CAEN Macintosh Support Team The University of Michigan send mail to: rudman@caen.engin.umich.edu ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 16 Nov 90 16:56:29 From: rhz@cwns4.ins.cwru.edu (Robert H. Zakon) Subject: Programming Q: shifted fill?! If I create a region by drawing four lines of width 3 in the shape of a rectangle, and then use the FillRgn command, the top and left lines will be drawn over by the fill pattern. This is caused because regions are created using 0 (or 1, depending on how you look at it) line width whenever a lineto is issued, even though what appears on the screen is the actual line width to the right and beneath the line being drawn(IM I-150). The references to an x line width is a PenSize(x,x) -- a square. I want the fill to occur within the frame, as all fills should. So why don't I fill it and then frame the region? Because if I only want 3 sides (frames) of the rectangle, I won't get it. The only thing I can come up with is to shrink the region by a pixel number of half the line width and then offset it by the line width amount. This raises the problem of odd line widths, in which case I cannot shrink lines by half pixels. Any help is greatly appreciated, and will receive a personal thank you note. Or if you don't understand the problem, but still want to help out, let me know, and I will try to re-phrase it. Robert H. Zakon Case Western Reserve Univ. Cleveland, OH Internet: rhz@po.cwru.edu ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 17 Nov 90 23:18:13 EST From: antonio siochi <siochi@pcs.cnc.edu> Subject: prolog and lisp for the mac apologies if this has been asked and answered before... are there any prolog interpreters/compilers for the mac? are there any LISP interpreters/compilers for the mac? many thanks! -ac siochi ------------------------------ Date: 16 Nov 90 09:13 GMT From: NEOSCRIBE@applelink.apple.com (NeoScribe Int'l Mktg, M Ross,PRT) Subject: Quark XPress and KCHRs >>Subject: Quark & new keyboard resources are a pain >>I created a new keyboard layout w/ Resedit. However, Quark (Quirk??) XPress >>did not run w/ the new keyboard selected, only if US keyboard is selected. >>Perhaps to keep foreign users from using the presumably less expensive US >>version. This is a known bug with XPress 3.0. If you launch XPress with the US keyboard selected, then change keyboards in the Keyboard cdev once you are in XPress, it will work. To make switching keyboards less painful, use Keyboard Switcher 1.8.1, which puts a pull-down menu in the menu bar of the currently loaded KCHR resources. If this is not available at sumex, someone let me know at I will upload it. Michael Ross NeoScribe International Inc neoscribe@applelink.apple.com ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 16 Nov 90 17:20:05 EST From: Rob Szarek <413077%UOTTAWA.BITNET@forsythe.stanford.edu> Subject: SoundEdit 2.3 and Word 5.0 Hi, I got a quick question, Can anybody confirm that the new version of Mac Microsoft Word ( ie: version 5.0 ) will support voice annotation on a Mac using SoundEdit 2.3 ( to be released in a week from Farallon ) I also hear that other Microsoft products will support voice. They are Excel, and PowerPoint. I'm curious if any additional software will be required for the new Macs with the microphone. So far SoundEdit 2.2 does not support the new macs microphone but version 2.3 will fix that when it's out. Also anybody use Articulate Systems voice box thingy ( similar to MacRecorder )? Rob Szarek University of Ottawa "Can't wait for SimEarth" ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 16 Nov 90 11:04:53 +0100 From: Karl Pottie <GHGAQA0%BLEKUL11.BITNET@forsythe.stanford.edu> Subject: teachtextmaker Hi , I'm the author of teachtextmaker (in the archives), and have a new account. So if you want to e-mail me about this program try: GHGAQA0@BLEKUL11.BITNET (NOT: GHGAQBA!!!) Karl Pottie. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 16 Nov 90 08:44:44 MST From: EPETERS%CSUGREEN.BITNET@forsythe.stanford.edu Subject: The final 'Word' on EPSF graphics Just thought you would like to know that I did some further experimenting, and that the 'Option-Copy' trick DOES work to convert FreeHand graphics into EPSF files that can be pasted into Word. If your graphic contains a TIFF file (and, I presume, some other formats), however, you must convert the graphic into an EPSF file FIRST, as described in my last message. Intuitively obvious, wasn't it...? Thanks again to those that responded. Eric * Eric L. Peters Voice: (303) 491-5343 FAX: 491-0623 * * Dept. of Radiology & Radiation Biology BITNET: EPETERS@CSUGREEN * * Colorado State University INTERNET: EPETERS@ * * Fort Collins, CO 80523 CSUGREEN.UCC.COLOSTATE.EDU * ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 16 Nov 90 15:14:09 GMT From: Donald Peterson <PetersonDM@computer-science.birmingham.ac.uk> Subject: uEmacs Manual I have Micro Emacs 3.9e July 10 1988, by Lawrence, Horton, Bernard and Brecher. I find it very good---especially for search and replace, and because of its macro facilities, and because it can read files written by some other applications easily ... though it's a bit un-Mac like in its interface. However, I've never had the manual---so if anyomne has the manual (or for that matter a newer version of Micro Emacs for the Mac), could they please email it to me. Donald Peterson. ------------------------------ End of Info-Mac Digest ******************************