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Info-Mac Digest Fri, 14 Dec 90 Volume 8 : Issue 210 Today's Topics: [*] Edit II 1.0.2 [*] Flash-It v.2.0 (ScreenCapture cdev/init) [*] GooPanel 1.0a6 [*] laser-trains.hqx [*] RasterToolkit.sit A/UX A Few Questions about SilverLining and Partitioning (2 msgs) Croatian and Sanskrit (-> Roman) fonts wanted Disk Error with Stuffit 1.6 Installer? Help? How to secure a mouse Info-Mac Digest V8 #209 laserwriter upgrades Network With a FastPath PC ---> Mac file transfer Please Post Retraction of : A 'new feature' in 6.0.7! SPSS for Mac? Stuffit 1.6 'disk related error' - SOLVED StuffIT 1.6 archives Stuff StuffIt (Classic) 1.6 Sun audio files <-> Mac Thanks and more questions Think C 4.0 GrafPort Problem Trackballs & LaserWriter printers Water Priests Your Info-Mac Moderators are Bill Lipa, Lance Nakata, and Jon Pugh. The Info-Mac archives are available (by using FTP, account anonymous, any password) in the info-mac directory on sumex-aim.stanford.edu [36.44.0.6]. Help files are in /info-mac/help. Indices are in /info-mac/help/recent-files.txt and /info-mac/help/all-files.txt. Please send articles and binaries to info-mac@sumex-aim.stanford.edu. Send administrative mail to info-mac-request@sumex-aim.stanford.edu. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Thu, 22 Nov 90 01:07:58 CST From: kseah@cs.utexas.edu (Kenneth Cheng-Lim Seah) Subject: [*] Edit II 1.0.2 Following is a stuffited binhexed file containing a text editor which is a replacement for Consulair's Edit application. [Archived as /info-mac/app/edit-ii-102.hqx; 71K] ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 25 Nov 1990 15:13 PST From: "Nobukazu Toge" <TOGE%SLACVM.BITNET@forsythe.stanford.edu> Subject: [*] Flash-It v.2.0 (ScreenCapture cdev/init) Hello - Enclosed is a SIT-BINHEX of Flash-It v.2.0. Flash-It is a ScreenCapture utility (cdev/init). This v.2.0 is an upgrade >From the previous v.1.3. Flash-It allows to capture a portion of (or an entire) screen with/without menus pulled down, with/without cursors, in Black-and-white/color mode, to various destinations - clipboard, PICT file, RSRC file and printer. The v.2.0 has some major improvements in the interface (both the control panel and HotKey usage), supports Scrapbook DA, and has a capability to scale up/down the screen image as it gets captured. The SIT-BINHEX file includes a MacWrite document. Shareware U.S. $15.00. Give a try and you'll like it. Regards, - Nobu Toge [Archived as /info-mac/cdev/flash-it-20.hqx; 95K] ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 14 Dec 90 13:37:32 GMT-0500 From: billkatt@mondo.engin.umich.edu (billkatt) Subject: [*] GooPanel 1.0a6 Sorry about the muffed 1.0a5 release. This one is all straightened out. GooPanel is an application which can open cdevs designed for Apple's Control Panel DA. It is intended as a replacement for Apple's DA, and allows the use of cdevs in a very similar way to Apple's System 7.0 treatment of cdevs. It includes an INIT which allows you to double-click a cdev in the Finder (System 6.0.5 or 6.0.7) and it will be opened in GooPanel. This is the fifth public release. This program is freeware. Copyright (C) 1990 Cyberite Systems. All Rights Reserved. [Archived as /info-mac/util/goo-panel-10a6.hqx; 104K] ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 26 Nov 90 15:47:13 CST From: bobs@saintjoe.edu (Bob Schenk) Subject: [*] laser-trains.hqx Attached is a compacted, binhexed typeface (actually two faces, plain and bold) called ChooChoo. It is a PostScript typeface in Type 3 format. It is one of the more unusual typefaces you will run across. It has a train motif and it seems appropriate to release it in toy-train season, aka Christmas. More info is in the README document that is included. [Archived as /info-mac/font/laser-trains.hqx; 85K] ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 24 Nov 90 17:56:22 PST From: mkelly@cs.uoregon.edu Subject: [*] RasterToolkit.sit RasterToolkit is a plug-in module for Adobe Photoshop for the acquisition and exportation of images in the Utah Raster Toolkit image file format. The Utah Raster Toolkit is a collection of programs and C routines for dealing with raster images. The Utah RLE (Run Length Encoded) format is designed to provide an efficient, device-independent means of storing multi-level raster images. (At this time RasterToolkit only reads and writes one- and three-channel images.) The source code for the Utah Raster Toolkit is in the public domain and is available through the Internet via anonymous FTP from the sites cs.utah.edu (128.110.4.21), weedeater.math.yale.edu (130.132.23.17) and freebie.engin.umich.edu (35.2.68.23) in the files /pub/urt*. This module is in the public domain. Permission is hereby granted for unrestricted non-commercial distribution. [Archived as /info-mac/app/raster-toolkit.hqx; 82K] ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 13 Dec 90 15:33:35 CEN From: Geoffrey Parsons <SGPARSON%WKYUVM.BITNET@ricevm1.rice.edu> Subject: A/UX Jeeze, $950 bucks for an upgrade? The list out of MacUser was $600 for the CD version and $800 for the floppy/tape version. Does this include all of the manual updates too? That's just too damn expensive! I don't understand why Apple has to charge so much for A/UX. Well maybe I can get it somehow through the educational purchase program. Geoff ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 14 Dec 90 14:13:42 EST From: gateh%conncoll.bitnet@forsythe.stanford.edu Subject: A Few Questions about SilverLining and Partitioning > I just got La Cie's SilverLining software for formatting disks. I have both > Ehman and Mass Micro SyQuest drives. I'm not real fond of either's > formatting software. Has anyone got anything good or bad to say about > SilverLining on either of these SyQuest drives? I am also getting a 600 MB > (yes, I know I'm a pig) drive and was thinking about using SilverLining to > partition it. Any comments on their partitioning software? La Cie said that there are only a few drives which SL does not work with, and I don't believe yours are them, so to speak. As for SL itself, I think it is an excellent bit of softare. > I'm not keen on partitioning. I prefer one big volume. The only reasons I > see for partitioning are: > 1) Keeping smaller desktop files. I am using the Desktop Manager, so > this may be less of a concern. Anyone know of a limit for the DM? This is definitely a factor in performance considerations. My experience is that as soon as a partition gets upwards of 600 files, updating the Desktop begins to take as long as the file-copy itself. I also understand that the Finder/DM has a limit of 2772 files per partition, but I would think that the performance problems would render that a moot point. I don't know if this will change with Sys v7.0. > 2) Larger block allocation sizes. Larger volumes waste space by > allocating bigger minimum file sizes. A floppy uses .5K, an 80MB > uses 1K, a 150MB uses 1.5K, a 600MB probably uses 3K (my VAX does). > Does Silverlining's partitioning change this? I tried the SUM > partition INIT and it didn't affect this, which wasn't surprising. > It would need to reformat the drive to affect this. SilverLining > might be able to. Does it? I don't believe you can change this, and my guess would be there is a good reason, namely attempting to read & write to a 600 MB, high speed device in small block sizes would probably hurt performance. > 3) Software crash protection. Since a hardware crash will kill the > entire drive, and Norton or SUM can recover from software, I don't > really see this as a good reason. I never really thought of this as a motivation to partition, for the reason you specify. > Thanks for any comments you wish to make. > > Jon There are a number of other reasons to consider partitioning and the use of SilverLining: - Perhaps most importantly, partitioning allows you to group software by use/type on separate virtual devices, thus vastly improving backup and drive optimization strategies (btw, Norton Utilities has an excellent optimizer called Speed Disk). - SL allows you to choose the interleave on your drive, which is crucial for many of the larger drives/faster macs - some drives come formatted (or format with their software) at an interleave of 3:1 for compatibility with the slower macs. My performance improved noticeably upon moving to an interleave of 1:1 (running on a IIcx). - SL also allows you choice for a number of different read/write drivers, and will test them for you to find the fastest. This can also increase performance. - SL allows you to control which partitions are mounted at boot, and allows you to mount other partitions via a DA. - SL can password-protect partitions. Personally, (given the current Finder/DM) I wouldn't have a Mac partition larger than 30 MB if I planned to use it for anything other than archiving. In light of the current growth of some Mac systems and software, along with the advent of inboard digital sound and 24-bit color, I think the MacOS is going to need some re-writing in the not-to-distant future to deal with the problems of large file systems. In summary, I would say that partitioning is standard operating procedure for any system with large storage capabilities, whether it be MacOS, or U*ix, or DOS, etc. Furthermore, some of the other features of SL are invaluable if you wish to get the best possible performance from your drives. Cheers! - Gregg Gregg TeHennepe | SysAdm, Academic Computing | Yes, but this gateh@conncoll.bitnet | Connecticut College, New London, CT | one goes to 11... Disclaimer: I have no affiliation with La Cie, other than being a very satisfied customer. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 14 Dec 90 15:24:36 CST From: "Juan M. Courcoul" <COURCOUL%VMTECQRO.qro.itesm.mx@forsythe.stanford.edu> Subject: A Few Questions about SilverLining and Partitioning On Tue, 11 Dec 90 10:41:59 PST Jon Pugh said: >I just got La Cie's SilverLining software for formatting disks. I have both >Ehman and Mass Micro SyQuest drives. I'm not real fond of either's formatting >software. Has anyone got anything good or bad to say about SilverLining on >either of these SyQuest drives? I'm not fond of SilverLining on ANY kind of disk. At my former place of employment I had a Mac SE/30 with an Apple 80Meg internal hard drive and some bozo ran SilverLining on it when I lent it to be used temporarily as an AppleShare server. Afterwards, MacOS couldn't even recognize what it was, so I couldn't run Disk First Aid or even update the driver with HD Install. I finished backing everything up and having to reformat the drive. In any case, I'd be wary of commiting my drives to it. Juan Courcoul Monterrey Tech Mexico ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 10 Dec 90 09:11:16 -0800 From: argosy!henry@decwrl.dec.com (Henry Polard) Subject: Croatian and Sanskrit (-> Roman) fonts wanted Can someone tell me where I can get fonts to write Croatian and the transliteration of Sanskrit into the Roman alphabet? I would especially appreciate info on inexpensive fonts. Thank you in advance. --Henry Polard ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 14 Dec 90 15:20:52 CST From: "Juan M. Courcoul" <COURCOUL%VMTECQRO.qro.itesm.mx@forsythe.stanford.edu> Subject: Disk Error with Stuffit 1.6 Installer? Help? On Tue, 11 Dec 90 19:20:31 EST Jeffrey Templon said: > I always got the message 'A disk related error (-39) >has prevented the operation from concluding' or something to that effect. >I thought I had just got a bum disk, but I tried with the copy Murph just >uploaded and got the same error!! Anybody know what this means? Did you make sure and disable any antivirus software before installing ? >From the way the installer operates (self extracting), I'm sure that GateKeeper and friends will consider it highly suspicions. Juan Courcoul Monterrey Tech Mexico ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 13 Dec 90 19:02:53 CST From: Clay Romeiser <2DLYBOND%UKANVM.BITNET@forsythe.stanford.edu> Subject: How to secure a mouse I've read several messages discussing ways to secure a mouse in a lab. How about this: Fold the mouse cord and insert it through the hole in a large washer. (Not too large though) Now, you have a loop that you can feed the security cable through. Simple! Effective! Cheap!!! Clay Romeiser - University of Kansas student ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 14 Dec 90 15:44:07 EST From: rudman@caen.engin.umich.edu (Daniel Edward Rudman) Subject: Info-Mac Digest V8 #209 Regarding: After Dark 2.0 ========================= Some of us were not so fortunate to receive the PICT player. The modules them- selves could at least be uploaded, don't you think? I don't know too much aboout copyright law, but I *do* know that I have After Dark 2.0 and I *don't* have the PICT player. Oh well. If anyone has any really interesting modules, I would be interested in seeing them. Question: Has anyone ever found any problems with kermit transfers in Versa- term 4.0 and After Dark 2.0 modules? I seem to always get strange errors (no, they are not due to VersaTerm, which works fine if I force the screen saver off) due to After Dark 2.0. I did NOT have these problems with Pyro!. Any ideas? //Dan Macintosh Support CAEN, UM ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 14 Dec 90 12:58:28 CST From: Kenneth B. Kirksey <kkirksey@eng.auburn.edu> Subject: laserwriter upgrades Hola, I heard a rumor about a replacement board for the LaserWriter II family that would up it's resolution to 600 or 1200 dpi. Can anyone out there confirm or deny the existence of this neat little piece of hardware? If there is such an animal, who makes it and how much does it cost? Thanx, Ken +---------------------------+------------------------------------------------+ | Ken Kirksey | "It's a small world, and it smells funny, | | Auburn University | I'd buy another if it wasn't for the money." | | kkirksey@eng.auburn.edu | -Andrew Eldritch | | | The Sisters of Mercy | +---------------------------+------------------------------------------------+ ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 14 Dec 90 09:27 CST From: <NH2031S%DRAKE.BITNET@forsythe.stanford.edu> Subject: Network With a FastPath In response to the question below: *** Hello, We have a Kinetics Fastpath hooked up to the ethernet and our local appletalk network and would like to now access the internet via our macintoshes. I have ncsa telnet set up but I get couldnt connect errors. Does anyone have a similar setup ? Do I need anything else ? possibly some driver ? Any help appreciated. *** On the Mac end of things you need to have the CDEV MacTCP (available from APDA) with the appropriate node numbers assigned. Then on the fastpath you need to activate the K-Star IP. EDIT the settings of the K-Star IP: IP Address of FastPath: set to a unique node number AppleTalk Zone Name: assign a unique name or use an existing name AppleTalk Network Number: this should be a unique number then on the MORE screen set the following... IP Address of your name server: the actual address of wherever your NameServer is (ours is the same as our VAX) and that's it, all the other address may be left to zero (if you've got a simpl e network). Hope that helps, we are new in the Ethernet and TCP world but it has a lot of potential connections benefits with the Mac. Nicholas L. Hayes Microcomputer Support Specialist Drake University nh2031s@acad.drake.edu ------------------------------ Date: Friday, 14 Dec 1990 11:02:26 EST From: m21743@mwvm.mitre.org (Kenneth Falkenstein) Subject: PC ---> Mac file transfer Dear Netologists, Please bear with me on this request, I'm sure it's been seen about 1.0E32 times, but as I am relatively new here ... I just spent many inefficient hours trying to transfer an ASCII text file (tab deliminated numbers) from a PC to a Mac. What I need to do is run simulations on MS-DOS machines and plot the results with Cricket Graph (nice "quick & dirty" vu-graphs). I played around with Apple File Transfer,but it seemed to have problems with the tabs and CR/LF's. Finally, I ended up using AFT and a text editor on both ends to get the data in a format the Cricket would recognize. Am I missing something in the transfer protocol of AFT? What about $-ware products like Soft-PC or MacLink? I have a IIci with a SuperDrive ofcourse. It would be nice to transfer other types of files ( PICT, Word etc) but for now text is the problem. Any suggestions (freeware, shareware or bucks-ware) would be greatly appreciated. Gracias! Ken Falkenstein Internet: m21743@mwvm.mitre.org The MITRE Corporation Disclaimer: "We don't need no stinking badges" McLean, VA * * Kenneth ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 13 Dec 90 15:57 CDT From: Open The Parachute -- Open Your Mind <KG0041A@acad.drake.edu> Subject: Please Post All, I've seen this come up quite a few times, and I thought it might be a good idea to save it the constant queries. It's been asked quite a few times about the screens people may bring up on their Macs showing the people who worked on their respective Macs and the dates of development and the procedure for bringing these up. I would like it if anyone who knows about these to send me personally a mail message on what the codes and processes are for each Mac and I'll make a unified posting to InfoMac for all to read and to upload if they so desire. Kyle Griffin Internet: KG0041A@ACAD.DRAKE.EDU Bitnet: KG0041A@DRAKE PS - Please don't get the "somebody else will answer for me" mentality, as I've found out that often people won't. So if you know, send me a message. I thank eveyone ahead of time who responds. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 14 Dec 90 01:09:50 est From: "Alan D Danziger" <aland@chaos.cs.brandeis.edu> Subject: Retraction of : A 'new feature' in 6.0.7! (Well, I'm very embarrassed. This is what happens when you use someone else's machine without knowing what software is involved.) If you type in the finder you can select files! I didn't know this, and I'm pretty sure it isn't documented. This works at any level of folders, including the desktop. At least, if you have Now Utilities' FinderKeys installed :-< Sorry, everybody. I was so excited I didn't ask my friend why his machine did it, and didn't check my own. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 14 Dec 90 14:32:46 EST From: "John R. Goldin" <GOLDIN%YALEVM.BITNET@forsythe.stanford.edu> Subject: SPSS for Mac? I am interesting in hearing from anybody who has actual experience with SPSS for Mac. We are considering purchasing it (base plus advanced statistics). It looks like it will do the stats we need. I am interested in whether it is easy to use, performance, and how it compares with Systat. I have seen a description of how it uses a command-line interface with sort of a Mac front end. How well does that work in day-to-day use? Is it practical to consider it for a data set with several thousand cases on a Mac II or an SE/30? John Goldin GOLDIN@YALEVM (bitnet) ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 14 Dec 90 1:25:11 EST From: jeffrey templon <templon@copper.ucs.indiana.edu> Subject: Stuffit 1.6 'disk related error' - SOLVED Hi All, Here is the solution to the Stuffit 1.6 installer program 'disk related error (-39)' problem. Thanks to the people who helped point this out - I'd like to acknowledge you here but I inadvertently deleted your messages! Apparently the Aladdin Installer program is very intolerant of non-standard INITs, at least for some hardware/software configurations. I was able to get around the problem by removing all non-apple INITs >From the system folder and switching MultiFinder off. I think the people at Aladdin should be embarassed to ship such a product. I certainly never had this sort of trouble with Stuffit 1.5.1. The INITs which had to be removed included some very respectable characters: Disinfectant, SuperClock, InitCDEV, etc. I don't know honestly whether this was necessary since I did not reinstall these after turning multifinder off, I am going on someone else's word that the INITs will cause the same sort of problem as MultiFinder. Other than this, I am satisfied with the new Stuffit. It does seem a bit slower - anyone else think so? Jeff ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 13 Dec 90 21:37:11 EST From: Murph Sewall <SEWALL%UCONNVM.BITNET@forsythe.stanford.edu> Subject: StuffIT 1.6 archives I notice that at least one item has been posted to the archive in StuffIT 1.6 (Classic) format. At the same time, there have been a couple of reports of difficulty sucessfuly extracting version 1.6. I believe the UnStuffIT DeLuxe utility (posted some time ago) will extract those archives (I haven't tried it, but when I archive something with version 1.6 it describes it as a "StuffIT DeLuxe" archive). I hope I turn out to be correct and that keeps anyone from becoming frustrated. /s Murph <Sewall%UConnVM.BITNET@CUNYVM.CUNY.Edu> [Internet] or ...{psuvax1 or mcvax}!uconnvm.bitnet!sewall [UUCP] + Standard disclaimer applies ("The opinions expressed are my own" etc.) ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 13 Dec 90 13:37 EST From: <BELSLEY%BCVMS.BITNET@forsythe.stanford.edu> (DAVID A. BELSLEY) Subject: Stuff StuffIt (Classic) 1.6 I, like many others, downloaded StuffIt (Classic) 1.6 -- twice. I did so twice because I found that the application (which installed quite nicely) did not produce the proper icon when it created a new archive. The new archives have only the generic "document" icon. Thinking this may be due to a faulty downloading, I tried again, but the same problem occurs. Has anyone any idea what's going on? In any event, the application works, so I thought I would test it against Compactor, which, as shareware, has certainly quite properly insinuated itself into StuffIt's one-time monopolistic domain. In several jobs, large and small, I found Compactor to be faster and somewhat more effective in compacting. And we are not talking just a little bit faster; in some larger jobs it is more than three times faster! StuffIt's little blub, in helping to decide which speed compactor to use, produces the intuitively reasonable view that faster usually means less effective, and so, like life in general, there is some trade off. But Compactor's three-times speed always produced a slightly smaller archive file. So just what are we talking here? The only significant facility that StuffIt 1.6 seems to offer over Compactor is the BinHex translators. My suspicion is that, had we never seen Compactor, we would never have seen StuffIt (Classic) 1.6 available on the nets. And judging from the number of files that I am downloading in the Compactor self-expanding format, I think we are witnessing a marvelous example of a case where the commercialization of a product is driving it right off the market. For those of you who, in past messages, are raving about StuffIt 1.6, give Compactor a try, and save yourself a bit of time and effort. And if you are going to spend the money to register, consider doing it for Compactor instead. Disclaimer: I have no connection with either StuffIt or Compactor, but I do like eating the pudding that's already proofed, and I'm very leery of shareware products that go commercial once they think they have established themselves in some position of an industry standard. david a. belsley boston college belsley@bcvms.bitnet ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 14 Dec 90 11:00 CDT From: The Angry Young Man <CABANELJ@carleton.edu> Subject: Sun audio files <-> Mac To the Mac gurus out there, I am wondering if anyone out there has a program that converts Sun audio files to Mac sound (SoundEdit) files. I've collected several sounds for the Sun that I would like to transfer to my Mac at home. I've been told that they are both essentially in the same PCM (Pulse Code Modulation) format and that all that is needed is for the Sun file to get a Mac header. Has anyone run across a program that does this? If it's shareware, could they post it to SUMEX. If not, could you post the name and address of the publisher so I could buy a copy. Thanks for any help... Juan Cabanela '91 Carleton College CABANELJ@CARLETON.EDU ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 14 Dec 90 08:21:16 EST From: Steven Cantor <SLC%HARVARDA.BITNET@forsythe.stanford.edu> Subject: Thanks and more questions Thanks to all of you who responded to my queries vis-a-vis a text editor for the mac. The information sent my way has been most helpful and is greatly appreciated. We have in our shop seasoned mainframe programmers and we are trying to make a large leap into the Mac/PC universe so any information we can get that helps us avoid having to reinvent the wheel at every turn is useful and timesaving. So, two more questions: 1) Our macs currently have Disinfectant 2.1 installed. Is this adequate, and if not what would anyone recommend as an alternative? 2) We have aging mainframe-based systems that we want to begin to revise and convert to Mac/Pc-based systems, and we are searching for effective development tools; e.g. a number of systems developed in Focus --- what might be a good alternative (leaving aside my own feelings about Focus). We are also faced with the issue, as i suspect many of you are, of potentially having to develop some systems to perform on both the Mac and PC platforms. It appears that Omnis 5 has this kind of capability, but..... Thanks for your time and interest. s. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 14 Dec 90 16:05:51 CDT From: Peter Gerhardstein <gerhard@sunserver.psych.umn.edu> Subject: Think C 4.0 GrafPort Problem Hello Netters, I am having a problem using GrafPorts for off-screen drawing. I want to draw into offscreen bitmaps that are larger than my screen. I first create a new GrafPort using OpenPort(myPort) (declared as: GrafPtr myPort). Then I set my portRect, visRgn and portBit.bounds to the desired size. I draw into my bitmap, etc. and everything is OK. When I finish I call ClosePort(myPort) and DisposePtr(myPort) and free any other memory that I used. %The problem is when I use this routine for the second time it crashes when I call OpenPort(myPort). I assume that I have messed something up the first time around, but I can't find anything. Help! I would appreciate any ideas or suggestions you can give. If you can help but need more specifics, let me know. Steve Kohlmeyer Please respond to steve@eye.psych.umn.edu ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 14 Dec 90 07:57:29 EST From: Murph Sewall <SEWALL%UCONNVM.BITNET@forsythe.stanford.edu> Subject: Trackballs & LaserWriter printers I have a friend who's interested in a track ball. I've been happy with my Kensington Turbo Mouse (mail order price $109), but alternatives are less expensive. The question is, are they as good? Does anyone have experience with the MicroSpeed MacTrac or the Curtis MVP Mouse (how long have you had one, have you experienced any performance or maintenance problems)? I've had the Tubo Mouse 3.5 months; perhaps that's not long enough to assess its durability(?). Second question. I leave my CPU and hard drive running all the time (better than switching off and on). What's the judgment about the LaserWriter printers (the Personal in particular) without a hard disk -- leave it on or switch it off when it's not going to be used for an hour or so? The Hewlett Packard II printers which we have "cycle" every few minutes when they're not in use. Our maintenance person says that "cycling" does add to the wear and tear and contributes to maintenance problems. Hence, we turn the HPs off when there not being used. The LaserWriter has a fan that purrs quietly away, but if it cycles the way the HP does, it's not audible. So, what are the pros and cons to leaving it on all day even when it's doing only light work or turning it off and on a half dozen times a day? /s Murph <Sewall%UConnVM.BITNET@CUNYVM.CUNY.Edu> [Internet] or ...{psuvax1 or mcvax}!uconnvm.bitnet!sewall [UUCP] + Standard disclaimer applies ("The opinions expressed are my own" etc.) ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 14 Dec 90 18:01:36 -0800 From: James King <king@milton.u.washington.edu> Subject: Water Priests In response to the query about a Hypercard Stack about water priests There is a stack in the catalog from Intellimation (the successor to the Kinko catalog) which may be what is wanted. There is a stack called Bali Notebook, which was (it says) featured on PBS, MacWeek, etc. Price $39.95 for single copy, lab pack $159.80 Intellimation Dept XA PO Box 1922 Santa Barbara CA 93116-1922 1800--3-INTELL or 1-805-685-8587 Good luck; I have not seen this software, just the catalog description. Jim King Math Dept, U of Washington ------------------------------ End of Info-Mac Digest ******************************