Info-Mac-Request@SUMEX-AIM.STANFORD.EDU (The Moderators) (12/31/90)
Info-Mac Digest Sun, 30 Dec 90 Volume 8 : Issue 219 Today's Topics: [*] Extractor-11.hqx Backing up AppleShare server compactor Expanding the Compactor debate FileList 1.4 Problem For Posting on Info-Mac HyperMIDI Information on new Inside-Mac Internal Disk Use Light KeyServer looking for Forbidden Secrets from Beyond HyperCard MAC-->PC graphics images? More PostScript Questions (Info-Mac V8 I213) Murph's VAPORWARE Column for January 1991 new Mac portable? Opcode INIT... power supply question on stereo sound Textures 1.3 and CM/PS Fonts 0.9: Several Steps in the Wrong Your Info-Mac Moderators are Bill Lipa, Lance Nakata, and Jon Pugh. The Info-Mac archives are available (by using FTP, account anonymous, any password) in the info-mac directory on sumex-aim.stanford.edu [36.44.0.6]. Help files are in /info-mac/help. Indices are in /info-mac/help/recent-files.txt and /info-mac/help/all-files.txt. Please send articles and binaries to info-mac@sumex-aim.stanford.edu. Send administrative mail to info-mac-request@sumex-aim.stanford.edu. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: 28 Dec 90 11:28:00 EST From: fosterr@ucs.indiana.edu Subject: [*] Extractor-11.hqx As requested, here is Extractor (v. 1.1), a free utility for extracting files from Compactor and Stuffit archives. This file is a self-extracting Compactor archive. Ray Foster Indiana University Bitnet: fosterr@iubacs Bloomington IN Internet: fosterr@ucs.indiana.edu [Archived as /info-mac/util/extractor-11.hqx; 40K] ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 28 Dec 90 14:52:19 EST From: Paul Henderson (Systems, DCS) <henders%watdcs.UWaterloo.ca@forsythe.stanford.edu> Subject: Backing up AppleShare server We are investigating various ways of backing up our AppleShare volumes. Currently, we are using the Apple Tape backup 40SC unit, but it is extremely slow, and we have experienced difficulties, both with the backup procedure which is done by computer operators whose only exposure to the Macintosh is when they do the weekly backup, and in trying to restore files. It has been suggested that since we are connected to the world via a Gator box, we should perform the backup to one of our unix systems and have the normal unix backup take care of the files for us. I have not heard of such a facility. If anyone has done this, or knows of a package which will do this, please let me know. Also, if anyone has already investigated and found that such a facility does not exist, or will not work reliably, this information would also be appreciated. It goes (almost) without saying that file ownership and access attributes must be preserved. Thank you and Season's Greetings! Paul Henderson <henders@watdcs.bitnet> or <henders@watdcs.UWaterloo.ca> ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 29 Dec 90 23:40:31 EST From: abboud%cuavax.dnet@netcon.cua.edu (Hisham) Subject: compactor Nope, it's not another Compactor vs. StuffIt comparison or flames. I just wanted to suggest that, while self-extracting archives are a cool feature, they also take up additional space. I don't know how much that is, but it sure adds up, makes the life of our moderators a little bit more difficult, and archives take longer to download. Any thoughts from the moderators? Hisham. [I don't object to self-extracting archives. Although they do take up a little more room in the archive, I feel that the extra convenience is worth it. I am always grateful when I download a file and find it to be self-extracting! Right now I am taking a "hands-off" approach to the great compression format debate (ie allowing people to post what they like if the decompresser is in the archive) until the dust settles. -Bill] ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 28 Dec 90 22:34 EST From: 28-Dec-1990 2222 <ELIOT@cs.umass.edu> Subject: Expanding the Compactor debate One factor has been ignored in this debate. I suspect, but have not tried to confirm that compactor achieves its speed in part by not doing as much error checking as Stuffit does. I've been mailed 15 disk sets of compactor files, and found four of them could not be expanded. In at least two cases this was probably true bad medium (very old disks) but the main point is that Compactor does not seem to attempt any verification of its writes. I don't know if Stuffit does either but I get some impression that it does. The last time he sent me a big pile of stuff (4 disks) he used Compactor to make one large archive, and then used Stuffit to break it up into pieces and used the finder to copy those onto floppies. (And then copied the floppies onto his portable for a double check.) I do think that it is faster than stuffit, but that is not worth it if there is no error checking at least for most purposes. By the way, the best feature I found in stuffit 1.6 that was not presen tbefore is the ability to look inside of folders inside of archives. From a functional level that was the first thing I saw about compactor that wa sbetter than stuffit 1.5.1. Chris Eliot Umass/Amherst ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 28 Dec 90 20:44 EST From: GORDON DOHLE <DOHLE%Vax2.Concordia.CA@forsythe.stanford.edu> Subject: FileList 1.4 Problem I recently downloaded FileList 1.4 from sumex-aim and am having problems getting it to launch. It unstuffed well, and the .sea opened, but when I launch, I get only the beginning, then my SE (1meg) hangs and I get a system errror id=03. I've tried it with virgin systems 6.03, 6.04, 6.05, all with no luck. If anyone has an idea of the problem please let me know, or if someone has successfully downloaded and launched it, perhaps they could send me a copy to see if I have the same trouble with it. Thanks Gordon Dohle@Vax2.Concordia.ca ------------------------------ Date: Sunday, 30 December 1990 2:37pm CT From: PSmith@utxvm.cc.utexas.edu Subject: For Posting on Info-Mac Greetings! I am trying to find a current address for Arno Clabaugh, the author of Pokeno. I tried to send my shareware check to him, but the letters are returned by the U.S. Postal Service with a note that his adresss forwarding has expired. Can anyone on the net supply a current address for him? Thanks. Pete Smith (PSMITH@UTXVM.BITNET) University of Texas (Austin) ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 29 Dec 90 23:35 MST From: TOM KIRSHBAUM <KIRSH%NAUVAX.BITNET@ricevm1.rice.edu> Subject: HyperMIDI This is for Jurgen Botz and anyone else interested in music programming in HyperCard: HyperMIDI v. 2.0 is shipping. It is written b y Nigel Redmon, who wrote the earlier versions. The current version is a very powerful and easy-to-use set of externals with which one could write any MIDI application with HC as a front end. The 182 page manual is excellent. It contains reference material, illustrations, and tips and techniques. I have been working with HM 2.0 for several weeks now. It is a joy! I have yet to find a bug in the software or the manual. Nigel has also been available and very helpful the few times I needed more help than the manual provided. The package, incidentally, contains version 2.0 of the Apple MIDI tools. Nigel has done some fixing until, as he puts it, Apple fixes the v. 2.0 bugs. The tools work fine for me in Nigel's version. This is commercial software. The price, I believe, is $195. Nigel was offering a package deal including an upgrade from v. 1.11 (whether you actually own it or not!) for $125.This deal was available until the end of the year. I don't know whether he will extend the offer. I recommend HyperMIDI without reservation. It is a beautiful piece of work. I think it is well worth the price. It is available from EarLevel Engineering, 21213-B Hawthorne Blvd., Suite 5305, Torrence, CA 90509-2881, (213) 316-2939 ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 30 Dec 90 13:40:26 -0800 From: jlouch%polyslo.CalPoly.EDU@ricevm1.rice.edu (John Louch) Subject: Information on new Inside-Mac Netters, Is the new inside mac (system 7.0) published yet! I ha printed some of the version that is on the System 7.0 beta rom, but would like a bounded version. Thanks in advance for any information! John ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 28 Dec 90 19:51 PST From: Robert Front <T121267%TWNCU865@ricevm1.rice.edu> Subject: Internal Disk Use Light On December 28, ilhan@cwru.cwru.edu asked: > Is there any INIT to indicate the internal hard drive activity? I did not > come across any such utility in the archives. I'd appreciate if someone would > post it. There is a small cdev called "In Use" (1.06 ?) which flashes a light to the left of the Apple menu when the internal disk is reading or writing. I downloaded it from the Mac archives. There is also an excellent internal hard disk light that comes with Norton tools, but that's not shareware. Hope this helps. HREF ------------------------------ Date: 28 Dec 90 13:45:58 From: Robert.H.Gross@mac.dartmouth.edu Subject: KeyServer To all Info-Mac readers: Joy Aberback asked for feedback on the use of the KeyServer published by Sassafras Software. I am on the faculty at Dartmouth and know Denis Devlin (the creator of the software), but other than that have no connection with Sassafras. The KeyServer has been running for at least a year on our network, which as reported, has over 6000 Macs and about 80 zones. I have used it routinely for numerous applications (we have on the order of 50 running on our network) and have had no difficulty. It has survived system crashes (on the KeyServer Mac as well as on a client Mac), power outages, and 1500 Freshman who never used the system before. Launching a program is transparent to the user - just double-click and it starts. There is no detectable delay at launch time. If all the keys are in use, you can request to be notified when a new key becomes available. You will be notified with a dialog box even if you are in a different program at the time (you can also choose not to be notified and just try again later). I have used KeyServed applications in courses too. It is an ideal way to make applications available to students (after licensing agreements have been worked out with the vendor) and being assured that copies of the application will not "wander away". I believe that a timed version of the KeyServer is (or will be) available. This will allow you to license software from a vendor for a semester, thus reducing the price compared to purchasing individual copies of the software. I can wholeheartedly recommend the KeyServer. It solves many problems in a elegant and efficient way. We have not been able to detect any deterioration in network performance even with the complex network that we have. - Bob Gross ------------------------------ Date: 28 Dec 90 15:24:44 GMT From: mcmac@hubcap.clemson.edu (robert s mcalister) Subject: looking for Forbidden Secrets from Beyond HyperCard I am looking for the "Forbidden Secrets from Beyond HyperCard" stack that is mentioned in the Dec '90 issue of MacUser. I don't have access to CompuServe, where the article says it is posted, so could someone please email me a copy or post it somewhere on the net. Thanks in advance, Scott McAlister mcmac@hubcap.clemson.edu CS Student, Clemson University -- GO TIGERS!!!!!!!!!!! ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 29 Dec 1990 23:49 EST From: HERB MARTIN <MARTINHER@urvax.urich.edu> Subject: MAC-->PC graphics images? What is the best way (or some good choices) to transfer files containing graphics images from the MAC to the PC, and vice versa? We have an AppleScanner and Apple File Exchange on the MAC. We also have several graphics packages, i.e. PageMaker, MACDraw. The most likely seemed to be to use Pagemaker to save the images and then use PageMaker on the PC to read them but this has not been working reliably. Can someone divulge the tricks and traps involved? -- ************************************************************** ** Herb Martin MartinHer@urvax.urich.edu ** ** JRC-41-1, P.O. Box 26603, Richmond, VA 23261 ** ** 804-274-4325 (days) 804-320-5047 (evenings EST) ** ************************************************************** ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 28 DEC 90 06:24:13 PST From: "Micro Mauler" <MICRO2.SCHWER@crvax.sri.com> Subject: More PostScript Questions (Info-Mac V8 I213) bp12+@andrew.cmu.edu writes: So, is there a macps for macs, or a way to hack a copy of the laserwriter driver to generate "good" postscript? I hae already hacked in the disk file box so that generating the postscript is easy. Look for AddLaserPrep post to sumex-aim.stanford.edu archives. It is a version of macps that runs on the Mac side. --Len Schwer P.S. Sorry to post to the group, but my mailer didn't like the "+" sign in your username. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 27 Dec 1990 21:09:30 EST From: Murph Sewall <Sewall%UConnVM.BITNET@forsythe.stanford.edu> Subject: Murph's VAPORWARE Column for January 1991 VAPORWARE Murphy Sewall From the January 1991 APPLE PULP H.U.G.E. Apple Club (E. Hartford) News Letter $15/year U.S. - $18/year Canadian P.O. Box 18027 East Hartford, CT 06118 Call the "Bit Bucket" (203) 569-8739 Permission is granted to copy with the above citation These are rumors folks; we reserve the right to be dead wrong! New Super Floppy Standard. IBM failed to introduce the expected 2.88 Mbyte floppy on it's PS/2 Models 90 and 95 (see last September's column). Insiders contend that is because IBM had decided to leapfrog the 2.88 Mbyte density altogether in favor of 20 Mbyte "floptical" (see the September 1988 column) technology. IBM has been negotiating with super floppy vendors Brier, Insite Peripherals, and Citizen America. One well-known industry rumor monger claims Big Blue already has more than 300,000 drives in inventory. When offered, the new super floppy standard is expected to be read/write compatible with today's 720K and 1.44 Mbyte disks. - PC Week 26 November and InfoWorld 3 December IBM's 3.5 inch Rewritable Optical Drive. IBM also is expected to offer a multifunction optical drive that can use both 127 Mbyte rewritable disks and 122 Mbyte read only (OD ROM) disks. The $1,600 drive which should begin shipping before the crocus bloom has an average seek time of less than 66 milliseconds and a sustained write capability of 128K bytes per second. Media will be available from Sony, Maxell, and Verbatim. - PC Week 19 November New Intel CPUs. Intel will begin to broaden the i486 chip line beginning early in 1991. The first new i486 to appear will be the long awaited 50 MHz version (see October's column) followed within a few months by a 66 MHz or 100 MHz version. Later in the year Intel plans to introduce a "stripped down," lower cost version to compete with AMD's 80386 clone CPU. The scaled down i486 could include a version without the math coprocessor or without the internal cache. A low-power i486 (for use in portables) is under development but probably won't be available until 1992. Sometime during the first half of the year, an enhanced version of the i860 RISC processor is expected, and sample quantities of the i586 (with 64-bit data path and an internal cache as large as 256K) are likely to appear late in the year. - PC Week 10 December Mac System 7.0. Beta testing for the new Macintosh operating system is proceeding better than Apple's fondest hopes. Only two months ago (see November's column) indications were that the product might not ship until April's showers had become May's flowers, but now it appears that it may be available as soon as this month's MacWorld. - InfoWorld 10 December Mac Portable Plans. 1991 may become Apple's year of the laptop. In addition to the new machine slated for introduction during MacWorld (see last month's column), a 7 pound 8-bit color notebook and possibly even a 2 pound hand-held model are expected by next Christmas. The small portables probably will include a compact trackball being developed by Logitech. The Logitech trackball will make moving the cursor without lifting either hand from the keyboard possible. The hand-held Mac is still in preliminary stages of development and may not appear in 1991. - InfoWorld 3 December and PC Week 10 December Macintosh Clones at Last? Apple is said to be negotiating with at least two companies to license Macintosh ROM technology (apparently the older 128K or even 64K ROM code). - InfoWorld 26 November IBM's 386SX Laptop. IBM's 20 MHz 80386SX Laptop (see last month's column) is scheduled for introduction on 27 February. It may not have a hard disk, but use a 20 MByte "floptical" drive (capable of reading and writing current 3.5 inch floppies) instead. - InfoWorld 3 December SPARCtop? Sun Systems probably will be the U.S. marketer of the Korean-built 13 pound Trigem Bright Light SPARC portable with a list price of about $10,000. - InfoWorld 19 November No New Apple II. The day after the introduction of the Macintosh LC (the "Apple II killer"), Apple USA President Robert Puette was quoted as saying that Apple was phasing out the II line. Apple quickly issued a clarifications saying "We plan to continue to enhance the existing product line through updates to system software and peripheral add-ons... we have no plans at this time to introduce new, standalone Apple II models." The statement went on to say that forthcoming Apple //e card for the Macintosh LC is an example of a compatibility strategy that "...will preserve customer's investments in Apple II, while allowing them to move to new technology platforms if they wish." - A2 Central December Level 2 PostScript Printer. Data Products Corporation plans to begin shipping a six page per minute Level 2 PostScript printer this month, less than two months after Adobe's formal announcement of the specification. The Data Products LZR 660 (list $2,995) uses a Sharp laser print engine and Weitek's high performance RISC controller. The RISC controller along with Level 2 reduces the time needed to actually print text and graphics. Other advantages of Level 2 are better half-tone specification and improved memory management. The LZR 660 also will support composite characters permitting users to create their own character sets. RS-232, Centronics, and RS-422/AppleTalk interfaces are standard. - InfoWorld 3 December XGA vs 8514/A. Graphics card manufacturers say that it will take one to three years to duplicate IBM's recently introduced XGA graphics specification (see last August's column). XGA (at 1,024 by 768 pixels in 256 colors) appears to compete directly with the 8514/A display standard but analysts say that XGA is better for windows while 8514/A has advantages in CAD (line drawing) applications. The real question is how quickly XGA will replace VGA. XGA's text is said to be too small on 14 inch monitors, and cost effective 16 and 17 inch monitors aren't expected for at least 18 months. - InfoWorld 3 December 64-bit Color. Stratvision Paint, a $695 Macintosh program with 64-bit image processing and transitional capabilities is scheduled to ship this month although neither printer nor display hardware is yet available for 64-bit color. The leap to 64-bit color technology is necessary to give designers more gradations of colors when performing color separation. Strata Inc. of George, Utah expects Apple to move toward support for 64-bit color. - InfoWorld 3 December MS-DOS 5.0 Microsoft could ship the new DOS version (see last November's column) by March or April. The update has a more graphical shell than the current 4.01 along with enhanced memory management and task switching. The venerable Edlin line editor will finally be "retired" in favor of Microsoft's QuickBasic editor. DOS 5.0 also contains Mirror and UnFormat utilities licensed from Central Point Software. - PC Week 3 December and InfoWorld 10 December DR DOS 6.0 Digital Research Inc. plans to stay a step ahead of Microsoft by releasing DR DOS 6.0 within a few months after MS DOS 5.0 becomes available. The major new feature from DRI's alternative will be elimination of the 640K barrier altogether along with true (preemptive) multi-tasking. - PC Week 26 November One Less Competing Interface (Forever Vaporware). Microsoft has dropped PM/X (Presentation Manager for Unix announced as a joint effort with Hewlett-Packard at 1988 Comdex). The "look and feel" of PM is embodied in the Open Software Foundation's Motif, but OSF chose to adopt DEC Windows application programming interface (API) over OS/2's. - InfoWorld 3 December Windows Under OS/2. Microsoft is said to be reconsidering its plan to offer a "binary compatibility layer" (BCL) for Windows in OS/2 2.X. The BCL would permit Windows applications to run automatically under OS/2, but Microsoft is concerned about support problems that may develop for Windows applications that don't strictly adhere to programming specifications and may not operate properly under OS/2. Windows applications will still be able to run in the DOS compatibility box. - PC Week 3 December First Pen-Based Application. The first application for the forthcoming keyboardless "palmtops" (see September, October, and November columns) will be demonstrated for the Boston Computer Society this month by Dan Bricklin and Bob Frankston (remember VisiCalc?). Guess what? It's a spreadsheet (gee, you weren't surprised). - InfoWorld 3 December ProKey Updates. ProKey Plus 5.1 and ProKey for Windows will ship on 21 January. More than 20 enhancements, including an event schedular to perform tasks when the user is away, have been added to the popular keyboard macro recorder/processor. - InfoWorld 26 November Late Presentation. The Windows version of Aldus Corporation's Persuasion presentation graphics package failed to meet its original year-end shipment date. Company officials explain that more time is needed to refine the program code and test output device drivers. Aldus now plans to ship Persuasion 2.0 in the second quarter. - PC Week 26 November Office Vision/2 LAN Delayed Again. Sources say that the LAN version of Office Vision didn't ship before the end of 1990 so it could be tested with OS/2 1.3 Extended Edition. A March release date is the new target. - InfoWorld 10 December Mirrored NetWare Late Too. Novell appears to still be at least a year away from from delivering its "System Fault Tolerance" (SFT) mirrored server technology. Originally announced in 1985 for delivery in 1986 (a cousin to Windows?), the product is expected to finally begin beta testing this year. - PC Week 3 December Microsoft Desktop Publishing. Microsoft plans to compete with PageMaker and others for the desktop publishing under Windows market with their own product, codenamed Voodoo, which will enter beta testing before summer. - PC Week 19 November WordPerfect for Windows. WordPerfect for Windows, due to ship within the next three months, will provide the same functionality as WordPerfect 5.1 for DOS. The graphical interface is more intuitive and will make it easier for users who infrequently use word processing. The Windows version has a new feature called "Button Bar" which lets users assign frequently used commands to buttons on the screen. - PC Week 19 November New IBM Wordprocessor. IBM is expected to retire DisplayWrite this month with a new $495 processor that may be named WysiWrite, WordSmith, or Signature (perhaps something else). Actually, it's XYwrite 4.0 (which IBM purchased exclusive rights to). Windows and Presentation Manager versions are expected to follow the initial DOS offering. - InfoWorld 26 November Last AutoCAD for the 80286. Release 11 of AutoCAD due this March from Autodesk Inc. will be the last to support 80286 machines. The program is described as simply becoming too complex to run at acceptable speeds on those platforms. - PC Week 26 November /s Murph <Sewall%UConnVM.BITNET@CUNYVM.CUNY.Edu> [Internet] or ...{psuvax1 or mcvax}!uconnvm.bitnet!sewall [UUCP] + Standard disclaimer applies ("The opinions expressed are my own" etc.) ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 30 Dec 90 15:48:05 -0500 (EST) From: Donn Hoffman <dh1s+@andrew.cmu.edu> Subject: new Mac portable? I heard a rumor that a new, much lighter, Mac portable is soon to be announced. Can anyone dispell/confirm this? ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 28 Dec 90 11:16:50 EST From: Mark Staples <staples@bronze.ucs.indiana.edu> Subject: Opcode INIT... >Some users of 68030-based Macintosh systems (Macintosh IIx and later >models) report that when they use the computer with a MIDI interface, >the Macintosh sends a constant stream of data from the serial port, >affecting the MIDI setup and creating a jam that causes the MIDI >devices and software to crash. >If your computer exhibits such symptoms, an INIT from Opcode-available >in the public domain and through on-line services-ensures that the >Macintosh SCC register is set to zero at boot time. Does anyone know where this can be obtained? I have looked in a few places to no avail. Thanks for the help. -- *********************************************************************** * Mark Staples Macintosh Specialist * * Workstations Systems WCC 101.55 * * Indiana University DECnet==> PRISM::STAPLES * * University Computing Services Bitnet==> STAPLES@IUBACS.BITNET * * 750 N. St. Rd. 46 Bypass Internet==> STAPLES@UCS.INDIANA.EDU * * Bloomington, Indiana 47405 Phone: 812-855-8265 * *********************************************************************** ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 28 Dec 90 13:22:13 EST From: jba@ai.mit.edu (Jonathan Amsterdam) Subject: power supply My Mac+ power supply is dying. Is there anyplace I can get a new one cheaper than the standard Apple price? --Jonathan Amsterdam ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 29 Dec 90 23:36:07 EST From: abboud%cuavax.dnet@netcon.cua.edu (Hisham) Subject: question on stereo sound Hi netters, I hope you're all enjoying the holidays as much as I :-) Gotta a question on stereo sound. I know the Mac SE/30 and the Mac II family can play stereo, but how do you record stereo sound? There's no reference in the MacRecorder manual (at least not in the toc or index) to stereo. Any hints? Thanks in advance. Have a happy new decade every one! Hisham. Hisham A. Abboud Post Office Box 29375 Washington, D.C. 20017 Bitnet: ABBOUD@CUA | "God bless he who expects Internet: ABBOUD%CUAVAX.DNET@NETCON.CUA.EDU | nothing, for he shall or ABBOUD%CUAVAX.DNET@192.31.193.2 | never be disappointed!" ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 29 DEC 90 08:36:02 PST From: "Micro Mauler" <MICRO2.SCHWER@crvax.sri.com> Subject: Textures 1.3 and CM/PS Fonts 0.9: Several Steps in the Wrong Anthony E. Siegman (siegman@sierra.stanford.edu) writes: >>The accompanying Computer Modern Postscript fonts package, labelled >>version 0.9, is, however, a disaster. It should have been held off >>the market until it could be finished and done right. To which Paul Nevai (nevai@function.mps.ohio-state.edu) added (to same posting on comp.sys.mac.app): >I luv Textures in every respect and I have an equally high opinion of Barry >Smith (the guy who does everything there at Blue Sky Research). Nevertheless, >I have to admit that there is a lot to improve on this CMP package. >Siegman is correct in his review. [Nevai also pointed out the with SuitCaseII one can locate the CMPS fonts in any folder, thus unencumbering the System folder.] I too concur that Siegman's review was accurate. I very much like the improved quality of print provided by the CMPS fonts and RECOMMEND the package to anyone using Textures. I would caution that if you have a LaswerWriter, or other PS printer, with only 1 Mbyte of memory you will not be too happy with the amount of memory left for document processing. I have a single page of text and equations that will not print on a LaserWriter+ with 1 Mb and CMPS fonts installed; this same page prints fine on my 3Mb LWIINTX. While I am at it, let me also say that I find the telephone support >From BlueSky to be excellent! --Len Schwer micro2.schwer@sri.com ------------------------------ End of Info-Mac Digest ******************************