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Info-Mac Digest Tue, 8 Jan 91 Volume 9 : Issue 5 Today's Topics: [*] EMPIRE BUILDER DEMO 1.6.2 [*] Knight 0.7 Anyone hear of Tabby? BITNET mail follows Card for Sun 3 monitor as display to the Mac Digest Volume Numbers disk optimizers Disk Optimizers: Disk Express II File transfer question . . . Fujitsu Drives & Mac!Direct! Getting to Apple over bitnet Hypercard 2.0 and Reports hypercard problems IBM & SEGA Interrupt Key & Easy Access Jumper info needed - Human Touch Accel. Mistake in my last posting!!! modifying Laserwriter 6.0.x ??? Old Systems and Finders Pin connections for a hardare flow control modem R/O Pagemaker Random Access and Hypercard SuperCard External Commands ... HELP! System 7 Warning! Why the Mac may not survive WRITENOW Your Info-Mac Moderators are Bill Lipa, Lance Nakata, and Jon Pugh. The Info-Mac archives are available (by using FTP, account anonymous, any password) in the info-mac directory on sumex-aim.stanford.edu [36.44.0.6]. Help files are in /info-mac/help. Indices are in /info-mac/help/recent-files.txt and /info-mac/help/all-files.txt. Please send articles and binaries to info-mac@sumex-aim.stanford.edu. Send administrative mail to info-mac-request@sumex-aim.stanford.edu. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Mon, 07 Jan 91 16:53:07 SST From: TNG TaiHou <ISSTTH%NUSVM.BITNET@ricevm1.rice.edu> Subject: [*] EMPIRE BUILDER DEMO 1.6.2 This is Empire Builder Demo version 1.6.2. I am posting this on behalf of the author Chris Eliot. He can be reached at Eliot@cs.umass.edu. [Archived as /info-mac/demo/empire-builder-162-part1.hqx; 190K /info-mac/demo/empire-builder-162-part2.hqx; 180K] ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 7 Jan 91 00:57:15 PST From: mkelly@cs.uoregon.edu Subject: [*] Knight 0.7 Knight is a solitaire board game. The object is to move your Knight (as in Chess) around a chessboard, trying to land on _every_ square exactly once. Instructions are included in the program. There _is_ a solution!! This is the third pre-release of Knight. Knight 1.0 will include many new features, such as a configurable board, a two-player game, and color. One of these days I'll get around to finishing it, but until then.... This release is in response to those who requested an animated solution to the puzzle. Please note that this is only one possible solution; there may be others. (For those of you who already have Knight 0.6, you may want to take a look at this version; it has a few new features besides the animated solution.) Knight is FREE, but I ask that you send a picture postcard of your town to me or drop me some email so I can see how far Knight has spread. (Please!) Michael A. Kelly | "Fish heads, fish heads, Internet: mkelly@cs.uoregon.edu | Roly-poly fish heads, America Online: Michael792 | Fish heads, fish heads, Compu$erve: 73567,1651 | Eat them up, yum!" - Barnes & Barnes [Archived as /info-mac/game/knight-07.hqx; 77K] ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 8 Jan 91 11:59:28 PST From: Eric_Poustie@cc.sfu.ca Subject: Anyone hear of Tabby? One of the local bulletin boards in town is looking to set up an EchoMail system on a Mac, and I'd be grateful to hear of anyone who knows of what is available to accomplish this task. I've heard of a program called Tabby, but can't seem to locate it anywhere. I love my Mac, but this seems that there are a lot more options available for the IBM users! Eric ------------------------------ Date: 7 Jan 91 10:58 IDS From: KBARAKA%EGIDSCVM.BITNET@forsythe.stanford.edu Subject: BITNET mail follows hello, I am KHALED BARAKA from EGYPT,and i want to ask about the following: 1- Gateway from apple talk network to IBM main frame (4381),to run ARABIC application runing on the mainframe. 2- Direct connection with coaxial cable (mac to mainframe),to run also Arabic application reside on the IBM Mainframe. Thanks for any information regards this subject. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 7 Jan 91 18:52 U From: <JAMESLOW%ITIVAX.BITNET@forsythe.stanford.edu> Subject: Card for Sun 3 monitor as display to the Mac Hi, I will be having some Sun 3 monitors sitting around my office soon. This is due to an upgrade of the current Sun 3 to Sparc. I am thinking of using them for my Mac IIs as 19 in monitors. I tested them with a RasterOps card. I do get stable display but because the card does not have the correct resolution option (ie. 1152 by 900 for the sun 3 monitor), I could not get a visible display. Is there such a card out there that allows this resolution? I read the January issue of MacWorld but the cards featured do not seem to have this configuration. Thanks for any info. James Low Information Technology Institute National Computer Board Singapore ------------------------------ Date: 6 Jan 91 22:07 EST From: Miquelon@dca-ems.dca.mil Subject: Digest Volume Numbers In Vol 9 (nee 91) Issues 1, 2 & 3 the question of why Volume 9 when the Mac has only been around since 1984 arose. - The original Info-Mac was not a moderated digest, but a mailer which retransmitted all the messages to the list of addressees. In this format, Info-Mac started sometime in the spring of 1984. - The Premere issue of a moderated digest in the present form was dated Feb 14 85 and was Vol 2 No 1, although not so marked. I do not know for sure how many issues there were; but not many. - Volume 3 No 1 - May 27 85. Again, I am not certain how many issues there were. I might speculate that the volume number was changed on the anniversary of the very first issue. - Volume 4 No 1 - Nov 17 85, to No 131 - Oct 15 86. - Volume 5 No 1 - Oct 26 86, to No 146 - Dec 20 87. - Volume 6 No 1 - Jan 17 88, to No 123 - Dec 30 88. - Volume 7 No 1 - Jan 2 89, to No 230 - Dec 30 89. - Volume 8 No 1 - Jan 2 90, to No 219 - Dec 30 90. It is very interesting to see how the topics have changed, and how many have continued, over the six year period. As a long time reader, I would like to express my special thanks to all of the moderators who have contributed their time and effort to bring this service to the community of Mac users. Dave Miquelon ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 7 Jan 91 07:32:49 CST From: allan@chem.nwu.edu Subject: disk optimizers > I was wondering: are there any disk optimizers available via ftp or > otherwise over the net? If not, what's everyone's fave commercial > optimizer? I have been using Alsoft's Disk Express II since it was released, and I am quite pleased with its performance. It is a big improvement over the original version, which was an application. Version 2 is an INIT/cdev. It will automatically defragment your hard disk in the background after a period of inactivity on the mac (i.e. it kicks in like a screen blanker would). It maintains a log of file activity and puts frequently accessed files on those parts of the disk accessed fastest. The program seems to be well-behaved and stable. I am always leery of programs that start moving files around on my disk on their own, but I have had no problems with DE. It is also fairly reasonably priced. David Allan, Department of Chemistry Northwestern University allan@chem.nwu.edu < All opinions are mine. I have no connection with Alsoft other than > < as a satisfied customer. > ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 6 Jan 91 18:46:45 PST From: siegman@sierra.stanford.edu (Anthony E. Siegman) Subject: Disk Optimizers: Disk Express II Disk Express II (v. 2.04) from ALSoft has been a solid and reliable disk optimizer for me. It's an INIT/CDEV combination that runs automatically in the background, keeping your hard disks from becoming fragmented. It can be turned on and off, you can examine the condition of each HD, and various options can be selected, all from the Control Panel. I run it on both an SE/30 and a Mac II, each with three HD's of different brands attached, plus a reasonable collection of other INITs, and have had no troubles that can be attributed to Disk Express. I haven't deliberately tried to run this program through any wringers, but so far as I can see it's solid and useful ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 7 Jan 91 08:45 PST From: "costello@amstel.llnl.gov (415)422-1012" <COSTELLO@amstel.llnl.gov> Subject: File transfer question . . . Hi, I'm trying to transfer a collection of files from a VAX to my Mac. Can someone tell me how this can be done in a sort of 'batch' mode. I have two terminal emulators which allow a file-by-file transfer, but there are several hundred files and it would be nice if I could just tell the VAX something like: program_prompt > SEND *.ADA and the two programs would co-ordinate the naming, opening, closing, etc of each file automatically. One emulator (Kermit, I believe) will send all the files from the VAX, but concatenates them all into a single file on the Mac. This is acceptable as a last resort, but not desireable. I know I'll need both ends of the program (one for the VAX and one for the Mac). Thanks for your help. -- Ed Costello ------------------------------ Date: 8 Jan 91 18:44 -0800 From: IanW@gui.consumers.bc.ca Subject: Fujitsu Drives & Mac!Direct! I'd would like to hear from anyone who has used Fujitsu 3.5" Drives and/or dealt with Mac!Direct!. They've got a good deal on an external 135Mb drive ($608) which beats out any offer I've seen on a Quantum 105Mb...but are they slow? noisy? reliable? Do they have a builtin memory cache? I have been considering buying from APS since they have such a superb reputation. What's Mac!Direct! like to deal with? Many Thanks for Any and All Replies, Ian Wijesinghe ianw@gui.consumers.com P.S. MacWeek has more details if you're interested too. ------------------------------ Date: Monday, 7 January 1991 4:44pm ET From: "Geoff.Scott" <SIS02%MSU.BITNET@forsythe.stanford.edu> Subject: Getting to Apple over bitnet Has anyone out there been successful in getting messages to Apple over bitnet? Thus far I have three addresses: USER@Apple.Com, USER@Applelink.Apple.com and XB.DAS@STANFORD with APPLELINK in the subject line. Which of these is either the correct address or the best address? I would appreciate any help possible. Is there any way to obtain Apple E-mail addresses over bitnet? Please post replies to SIS02@MSU.BITNET and I will gladly forward them to anyone who is interested. Thanks for any help that you can provide! SSSSSSS Geoffrey Scott | SS Michigan State University | SSSSSSS East Lansing, Michigan | SS | SSSSSSS EMAIL: SIS02@MSU.BITNET | ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 7 Jan 91 10:14:58 -0500 From: pld@mcrc.mot.com (Peter L. DeWolf) Subject: Hypercard 2.0 and Reports In INFO-MAC v9#4, dmg@retina.mitre.org (David Gursky) writes: > I had read recently where a company had bought the rights to Reports for > Hypercard, updated it to Hypercard 2.0 and was offering to update existing > copies of Reports for a nominal fee. Does anyone have the specifics on this > offer? Thanks! The company is Nine to Five Software. The so-called "nominal fee" is $60, which is 100% of the street price of the original package. The list price of the package has risen 50%, to $149. Since I depend on the original Reports for a number of my Hypercard databases, I gritted my teeth and ordered the upgrade. It is actually quite nifty. It's seems like it is faster and it offers a bunch of new features. There is no longer a "Report Card". You now install a pop-up button in your stack which will give you access to any reports you've layed out. You can print to the screen without going to the Chooser to select a Previewer. I believe you can print to a file, and can export your data formatted as you desire; I've not tried this. Something I think is especially neat is the ability to create "views" of your Hypercard stack. You can select a subset of fields on a background, give the program selection criteria to determine which cards to view, and it will go and generate a spreadsheet-like view of those fields of those cards. You can edit the cells, and the data changes in the cards. You can tell it to go to a particular card that you've located in this view. If I were at home, I'd have more info. Sorry. Nine to Five has an 800 number; call (800) directory assistance... Peter L. DeWolf Motorola Cambridge Research Center pld@mcrc.mot.com -or- pld@abp.lcs.mit.edu ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 8 Jan 1991 18:48:48.48 MST From: <2wsa070%gc.bitnet@forsythe.stanford.edu> (PHYDEAUX) Subject: hypercard problems Here's the scenario: The user puts Disk 1 and Disk 2 into the disk drives, and turns the machine on. I have Hypercard, System, printer files, and my own home stack on Disk 1. I have renamed Hypercard to "Finder" so that users will not have to deal with the finder, but rather Hypercard will launch upon startup. This also makes the machine shut down once Hypercard has been quit, which is desirable. The home stack simply says: on openstack go to stack "Disk 2:Lesson 1" end openstack This does not work. The home stack opens, and then I get a open dialog box asking "Where is `Disk 2:Lesson 1' ?". At first the open dialog box shows the contents of Disk 1, and then it quickly changes to the contents of Disk 2. Apparently, the machine executes all the commands in the home stack before it acknowledges the existence of Disk 2. I've tried creating another stack (which is called by home, and in turn calls Lesson 1), and I've tried placing the home stack on Disk 2, all to no avail. Any suggestions would be greatly appreciated. -- LeRoy Smith Instructional Associate Glendale Community College 2wsa070@gc.bitnet ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 07 Jan 91 09:57:06 SST From: ISSTTH%NUSVM.BITNET@ricevm1.rice.edu Subject: IBM & SEGA It seems that IBM is not only interested in the PC market, it is also making inroads into video games. IBM has make a strategic alliance with SEGA to make AT-compatible pcs dedicated for video games based on the Sega's Mega Drive system. Sega will also make a CD Rom drive for it as well. This speaks much for IBM, but very little for Apple. While Apple is unsure of its market, IBM makes sures that every thing with a chip in it is PC-based. Why can't Apple do the same thing and promote games development. NOT for the sake of games, but to create a pool of Casual Programmers. By my definition, a Casual Programmer would be one who programs for the fun of it out of his own time. Most students anywhere knows Turbo Pascal or Turbo C for the PC environment, but how many buy Think C (or God forbid, MPW) just to program for fun???!!! What are your opinions on what you think Apple should do? ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 7 Jan 91 10:59 EST From: Byron.Mayes@mvs.udel.edu Subject: Interrupt Key & Easy Access I read once in an old MacUser (or was it Macworld?) that the interrupt key, along with a typed sequence, can be used to unfreeze a hung screen. Anyone out there know how to use it? Anyone out there know why Apple doesn't document it? Also, can someone please tell me what easy access does? It's nowhere to be found in the Macintosh documentation and I refuse to go buy a $15.00+ third party book just to figure it out. *FLAME ON* Why does Apple produce these little software ditties with no documentation? If there *is* documentation, why isn't it indexed? Who writes these manuals anyway, the $15.00+ book publishers? *FLAME OFF* Thank you for your time, and, in advance, for any assistance. Byron Mayes University of Delaware Opinions are mine alone, but that doesn't mean we can't share. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 8 Jan 91 14:03 EDT From: <PJORGENS%COLGATEU.BITNET@forsythe.stanford.edu> (Peter Jorgensen) Subject: Jumper info needed - Human Touch Accel. Greetings, I will PAY (but I'm not saying how much [little]) for information that leads to the successful use of system 6.0.5 or later on my Macintosh. I have an old Mac 512 that has been upgraded with Plus ROMs and 800K drive. It also sports a Human Touch memory upgrade/accelerator. Total RAM is 2MB. No SCSI port. When I try to boot with system 6.0.x it hangs after the welcome to Macintosh screen. If I add Macsbug, and press the interrupt switch after waiting anywhere >From 30 seconds to 5 minutes Macsbug comes up, but it does not respond to the keyboard. (It will run the macros "Firsttime" or "Everytime" if they are installed in Macbug's resource fork.) I have heard that other Human Touch users CAN run 6.0, so I got to thinking that perhaps the problem is with the jumpers on the board. You see, I bought the board from the guy who developed its ROM code, and he may have had it configured in some kind of supervisor mode or whatever. At any rate, any tips, suggestions, condolences, etc. would be greatly appreciated. Peter Jorgensen Microcomputer specialist, VAX consultant Colgate University - Hamilton, NY 13346 BITNET - PJORGENSEN@COLGATEU tel - 315-824-7742 AppleLink - U0523 ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 7 Jan 1991 10:16:47 EST From: JK_APPLEREP@unhh.unh.edu (Joe Kazura) Subject: Mistake in my last posting!!! Hello All, My apologies!!!! In my message comparing Compactor to StuffIt Deluxe I mentioned that after BinHexing the Compactor file I got a larger .HQX file then the same StuffIt file. Well of cousre it was, it started out being larger!!! The point I was trying (ha ha) to make was that binhexing a compactor file resulted in a larger file than the same size StuffIt file!!! Regards, Joe Kazura Apple Computer - Student Rep University of New Hampshire Durham, NH BITNET: JK_APPLEREP@UNHH Applelink: ST0566 INTERNET: JK_APPLEREP@UNHH.UNH.EDU ================================================== The Views Expressed Are MINE!! Not even Apple's ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 07 Jan 1991 18:03:29 EST From: md_malam@sitvax.stevens-tech.edu (Mehboob Alam - Macintosh Monster) Subject: modifying Laserwriter 6.0.x ??? Hi, I'm having a tough time tracking down the information on modifying the Laserwriter 6.0 driver to default to black/white. Could someone please send me the ResEdit instructions for patching the driver. Or please post it to info-mac. Thanks, Mehboob Alam MD_MALAM@STVAX.STEVENS-TECH.EDU ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 7 Jan 91 15:00:16 EST From: gateh%conncoll.bitnet@forsythe.stanford.edu Subject: Old Systems and Finders > I need to get a Mac System 3.2 and a Finder 5.3 to run on an old plus. Is > there an archive somewhere that stores such things? Thanks in advance. > > J.B. Thomas > jt29+@andrew.cmu.edu If you have access to AppleLink, all versions of Mac system software starting with System 1.0 are available in the Developer Support areaa, under Developer Services:Developer Technical Support:Developer Essentials. I don't see any obvious notes about downloading, but don't hold me to that - I just found 'em, you figure out if it's legal. Of course another option would be to check with your local dealer... Cheers! - Gregg Gregg TeHennepe | SysAdm, Academic Computing | Yes, but this gateh@conncoll.bitnet | Connecticut College, New London, CT | one goes to 11... ------------------------------ Date: Tue Jan 8 00:09:12 1991 From: paulr@ls.com (Paul Raulerson) Subject: Pin connections for a hardare flow control modem Would someone mail me the cable specs for connecting a flow control modem to a Mac/SE please? In specific, the Inte 2400EX MNP5 modem. I cannot seem to get hardware flow control to work with the modem and MicrophoneII 3.01. Just locks up and refuses to talk. Works okay without flow control, but gives me a big pain logging into non MNP modems. Thanks - Paul ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 07 Jan 91 00:53:22 EST From: Murph Sewall <SEWALL%UCONNVM.BITNET@forsythe.stanford.edu> Subject: R/O Pagemaker On Fri, 4 Jan 1991 11:45:46 EST you said: >We're looking for a "read-only" version of PageMaker so that we can use our >E-Mail system to send out our weekly bulletin using MicroSoft Mail. I don't think you're going to find a "read-only" PageMaker, but the student version published by Addison-Wesley ($46.95) may meet your need. The student version IS PM 4.0 with a 12 page limit (and, for some reason "Save as.." but no standard save). I'm still working my way through the tutorials; I take it that the "export" to word processor function loses too much of your bulletin's formatting to consider that as an alternative? /s Murph <Sewall%UConnVM.BITNET@CUNYVM.CUNY.Edu> [Internet] or ...{psuvax1 or mcvax}!uconnvm.bitnet!sewall [UUCP] + Standard disclaimer applies ("The opinions expressed are my own" etc.) ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 7 Jan 91 16:42:51 -0600 (CST) From: Brian Capouch <brianc@zeta.saintjoe.edu> Subject: Random Access and Hypercard Does anybody out there know where I can find pointers regarding the use of random accessing of data in files accessible from Hypercard? We have an application for which the Hypercard interface would definitely be the easiest to program in, but from what I can gather Hypercard has to have the most weenie set of file-handling functions I've ever seen in such a capable program. I must be missing something. Anyone able to help? Brian Capouch Networking Specialist Saint Joseph's College brianc@saintjoe.edu ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 7 Jan 1991 13:33:44 PST From: Carl_A._Steinhilber.osbu_south@xerox.com Subject: SuperCard External Commands ... HELP! Along with the SuperCard 1.5 upgrade, of course, came the project (tucked in the "Bonus Projects" folder) called "Xtend". It's one of those extras that you just don't pay that much attention to at first... but, after a few months of ignoring it completely, you come to realize how valuable it is. Xtend contains some rather important external command resources that can be installed into your own project. Unfortunately, at least two of these resources do not function properly... and I need help to correct the situation. The two commands (XFCDs) are: 1) "listFolders (<volume name>)" which, after specifying a volume pathname, lists all folders contained on the volume within that pathname (and each folder is listed with it's complete pathname... this is important) ... and... 2) "listFiles (<volume name>)" which, it follows, does the same thing for FILES within the given pathname. the problem is, no matter which pathname you specify, these two commands only list the files and folders on the volume with the operating system. I've called Silicon Beach... they told me, basically (brief flame on) they are aware of the problem, but they "have no plans to update those commands". In other words... yeah... it don't work... so what... what do you expect? It was FREE anyway (ok... flame off). My problem is that I do NEED these XFCDs. If anyone knows of any other external commands that perform the same functions... or if anyone has taken the time to correct the bug in the SuperCard XFCDs... could you PLEASE let me know. I would be forever in your debt. Carl Steinhilber Stein:OSBU South:Xerox ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 7 Jan 91 19:43:28 -0500 From: edkemp@colby.edu (Eric D. Kemp '94) Subject: System 7 Warning! I reluctantly consider myself "lucky" enough to have a copy of Sthe beta release of System 7. Having heard of it supposed stability, I was anxious to install. While I will admit that what I saw was rather impressive, I will wait for the next revision before I install it again. In addition, to the number of annoying bugs (including the fact that certain applications lost their icons) and incompatibilities (Problems with the use of sounds on Sound Edit 2.0) it crashed my hard disk during normal finder usage. This was with a minimum inits on an SE with 4 megs of memory. There is always the possibility that this was just a fluke, but the number of freezes and system errors I experienced prior to the crash would suggest otherwise. Please feel free to mail me with any experiences or comments at: edkemp@host4.COLBY.EDU ******************************************************************************* * The problems experienced in no way represent those of the administration * * or students of Colby College happily running System 6. - Eric D. Kemp * ******************************************************************************* ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 07 Jan 91 14:46:32 EST From: bags@think.com Subject: Why the Mac may not survive Response to: Ron Websters verbose posting in Infomac Digest Tue 1 Jan 91 Vol 91 Issue 1 I would like to challenge your assertion that the Macintosh may not survive. Would you please first define the word "survive" and then relate it to the context of your argument. Coming from a strong DOS background, I still fail to see the merit of your pontifications. /\ /~~\ /bags\ ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 08 Jan 91 15:27:44 GMT From: Barry Moody <MT04%LIVERPOOL.AC.UK@forsythe.stanford.edu> Subject: WRITENOW I have a user of WRITENOW ver 2.0 with a problem word processing file. There was a system crash using the file, and subsequent attempts to access it results in the following error message : "The document or dictionary is in use by someone else. Only locked files may be used simultaneouly". Locking the file is no more successful, results in "Unexpected error -39 occurred while reading or writing the disk". Does anyone have any bright ideas on how to rescue the document? Thanks in advance ------------------------------------------------------------------------- | Barry Moody Post : School of Tropical | | Electronic Mail : Medicine, | | JANET MT04@uk.ac.liverpool Pembroke Place, | | EARN/BITNET MT04%liverpool.ac.uk@UKACRL Liverpool L3 5QA, UK | | | | Phone: 051 708 9393 x 2218 Fax: 051 708 8733 Telex: 627095 UNILPL G | ------------------------------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 08 Jan 91 14:16:27 CST From: C09615SJ@wuvmd Greetings, A problem that has surfaced here very recently by two different users has got use sort of stumped. The operating systems involved are 6.0.5 and (I think 6.0.3) and have been reported like this: Using an SE/30 (amount of memory doesn't appear to be a factor) the system performance slowly deteriorates. The machine begins running at normal speeds, but after about a half an hour of use using various applications (including MS-WORD, WINGZ, Delta Graph, MacWrite II) the machine slowly grinds to a halt. Other symptoms: Icons take a long time to explode, the computer stops to perform some sub-task (like a spell check) and never returns, you can acutally see the menu items blink three times on the pull down menu (like in the old days of Mac systems). No special INITs have been involved except Pyro and SAM. Could the SAM intercept be causing problems? Is it a memory management problem? Do our Macs hate us? ------------------------------ End of Info-Mac Digest ******************************