info-mac-request@SUMEX-AIM.STANFORD.EDU (The Moderators) (01/14/91)
Info-Mac Digest Sun, 13 Jan 91 Volume 9 : Issue 7
Today's Topics:
Administrivia
[*] AppSizer.sit.hqx
[*] gcc-1.37.hqx
[*] ServerWelcome-10.sit.hqx
[*] Spectre Keyboard Map DA
another opinion (RE: Why the Mac may not survive)
Apple via Internet
Casio Boss <-> Mac Transfer program
Disapearing Icons
Distinguishing umlauted characters in HC
File transfer question
Getting to Apple over bitnet
Hypercard problems
Info-Mac Digest V9 #5
Mac NFS
memory upgrade
Monitor Questions
New SFScrollINIT ??
problem tape backup
Re- R/O Pagemaker
Request for help with transferring files to a Macintosh SE
Serial to Appletalk printing
Tabby for the Mac--Fidonet
Think C for students?
Unfreezing a screen
writing applications
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Date: Sun, 13 Jan 1991 22:46:30 PST
From: The Moderators <Info-Mac-Request@sumex-aim.stanford.edu>
Subject: Administrivia
There are major problems with the new FTP software on sumex. A host of runaway
FTP processes are blocking most other attempts to log on. I wouldn't count
on being able to access the archive during the next few days. Hang in there!
Bill
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Date: Mon, 7 Jan 91 21:15:19 PST
From: claris!outpost!peirce@ames.arc.nasa.gov (Michael Peirce)
Subject: [*] AppSizer.sit.hqx
AppSizer is a control panel (cdev) that allows you to modify an
applicationUs MultiFinder partition size as you launch it. To
do this, you simply hold down the control key as you launch the
application and AppSizer brings up a dialog that lets you specify
the applicationUs partition size.
You use the control panel interface to set which key you want to
be the RmagicS key that brings up the AppSizer dialog during launch.
You also use the control panel interface to register your copy of
AppSizer and to read the help messages that tell you more about AppSizer.
[Archived as /info-mac/cdev/app-sizer-20.hqx; 51K]
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Date: Wed, 9 Jan 91 20:22:39 PST
From: "Brion K. Lienhart" <brionl@nv-ngnet.army.mil>
Subject: [*] gcc-1.37.hqx
Here it is! The infamous Gcc compiler(version 1.37) adapted for MPW by some
guys at Apple. This isn't an official Apple product, that's just where I got
it from. The full sources are available from apple.com
[Archived as /info-mac/lang/gcc-137-part1.hqx; 260K
/info-mac/lang/gcc-137-part2.hqx; 260K
/info-mac/lang/gcc-137-part3.hqx; 260K
/info-mac/lang/gcc-137-part4.hqx; 260K
/info-mac/lang/gcc-137-part5.hqx; 172K]
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Date: 8 Jan 91 16:49:40 U
From: Noel_Hunter@inbox.wfunet.wfu.edu
Subject: [*] ServerWelcome-10.sit.hqx
Server Welcome is a simple freeware application for use in educational settings
where
inexperienced users mount AppleShare servers. It provides user-configured
error messages for display when the server is not mounted at startup, a welcome
message read from the server, and version number checking to tell users when
to update their startup disks. A sample configuration, from Wake Forest
University, is included.
[Archived as /info-mac/util/server-welcome-10.hqx; 16K]
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Date: 07 JAN 91 20:06:06 CDT
From: Z4648252 <Z4648252%SFAUSTIN.BITNET@forsythe.stanford.edu>
Subject: [*] Spectre Keyboard Map DA
Spectre Keyboard Map DA uses Bill Steinberg's Display DA 1.8
to chart the keyboard map for the Atari ST Spectre Mac Plus
emulator. This is for the just-released Spectre 3.0 and keeps
the user from having to dig through the manual charts to find
out what the various keyboard combinations do. For example,
you don't have an auto-parking hard drive. Which keystroke
combo parks all of your hard drive mechanisms? Using this DA,
the answer is just a click away.
Naturally, this DA is for the Spectre only. Although it
will work on any Mac, the definitions of the key combos mean
diddly to the real Macintosh world! On the same token, A-Max
for the Amiga cannot profit.
Praises go to Bill STeinberg and his Display DA 1.8. Using
his instructions, a Mac user can create a DA with text help
charts for any application that needs them. Without Display DA,
Spectre Keyboard Map DA could not have been created.
Larry Rymal: Stephen F. Austin State University <Z4648252@SFAUSTIN.BITNET>
[Archived as /info-mac/da/spectre-keyboard-map.hqx; 10K]
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Date: Thu, 10 Jan 91 23:01:03 +0200
From: Adee Ran <adee%techunix.bitnet@forsythe.stanford.edu>
Subject: another opinion (RE: Why the Mac may not survive)
Fellow Netters,
I am glad to find that other Mac users are also interested in this
subject. I am originally a PC programmer, but have switched to the Mac some
months ago after having seen it in action on several occasions. It is
undoubtably a very user-friendly environment - which is an advantage for
users, but a nuisance for programmers sometimes. As a programmer I have to
work much harder in order to do things "nice" and "friendly". I wouldn't
have considered it a disadvantage (having to work hard is the way of life)
if there was enough documentation telling me how to do things. Inside
Macintosh is not enough (I have read it and re-read it and I know it has
EVERYTHING) and sometimes it is not correct. On several occasions I had to
debug my programs for hours and then find out that some function had to be
called prior to doing something, but that was not mentioned in the text -
at least not where I expected it to be. The best way of learning how to do
things is by examining examples that work correctly, but Inside Mac doesn't
have any. I am sure that other programmers have experienced it too. The
macintosh is very user-oriented, but not enough programmer-oriented, and
this makes life hard for a programmer - in fact I still use PC as a
programming environment and when thing work as I expect them to, I
translate them to Macintosh. If only Apple had made an effort to support
small-scale programmers (not software-houses) I am sure it would pay off.
I saw a DA named "Inside Mac DA" - it is a great idea! Why isn't it an
official apple release...?
The reason I am writing all this is that most people don't
appreciate the fact that what's important for the Macintosh to survive
is a community of programmers. I think that without amateur
programmers (like myself) the Mac will not enter the academic world
and the industrial world as a tool, the way the PC has. Apple should
give more support to programmers, even if they are not registered
macintosh developers. As an example, I would suggest that the source
code for some basic applications - a simple editor, a simple graphics
program, and other programming ideas - should be released for
programmers as a reference. There must be an easier way to learn how
to program the Macintosh without taking a course at Apple.
Another thing I would like to mention is prices - until the
Classic, buying a Mac for use at home was not affordable, unless you
are making some good money out of it; that's why most of the people
still buy PC (compatibles, of course). I hope that the Mac Classic
will change things, making the Mac environment more standard and more
appealing to the public. That would result in much more software being
developed, and maybe until the end of the century the Mac will be the
standard computer platform instead of the PC... :-)
To make things clear: I am not a registered Apple developer,
only a student. But I think my experience with Macintosh and PC is
long enough to make an opinion. Mac has much more potential - its
hardware is better, its operating system is wiser and more powerful.
But the PC has a lead. I think the Mac will survive, even with Windows
3.0 (an unsuccessful imitation of the Macintosh ...) on the PC. But
some changes in attitude are desirable.
that's it for now. The discussion will surely continue...
Adee.
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special disclaimer on this one: I may lack some information. But that
only makes my argument stronger.
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Date: Wed, 9 Jan 1991 10:44:18 PST
From: nethery.PARC@xerox.com
Subject: Apple via Internet
Date 1/9/91
Subject Apple via Internet
>From Kee Nethery
To info-mac
Subject:Apple via Internet
I have an AppleLink account that I use to communicate with the internet. I am
in the USA and this seems to work to and from anywhere. In general, I am
AppleLinkUSAUserName@AppleLink.Apple.Com
I also communicate with Apple Cupertino people who use TCP/IP at their Unix
SendMail address of
UserName@Apple.Com
I have found that the AppleLinkUSAUserName@AppleLink.Apple.Com address does
not work for all AppleLink addresses.
* Pure Speculation On My Part ***
It is my belief (others at Apple probably know for sure) that the internet
form of addressing only works for USA based addresses. My guess is that there
are several AppleLink mainframes located throughout the world and that only
the USA mainframe (and thus only USA addresses) has a gateway to the internet.
Maybe someone at Apple could verbally ask Apple's Internet Connection Guru
(nameless since he already has too many demands on his time) and summarize his
response and correct my WAG.
Kee Nethery
Kagi.Kee@AppleLink.Apple.Com
nethery.parc@xerox.com
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Date: Thu, 10 Jan 91 12:20 CST
From: JAIME@udlapvms.pue.udlap.mx
Subject: Casio Boss <-> Mac Transfer program
Date sent: 10-JAN-1991 12:11:04
Hi everybody,
I just wrote an application that allows data transfer between the Mac and the
Casio Boss 7000/8000 digital diaries. It is faster than CasioLink (the
commercial version) and has more features (text file import, search, etc).
I am planning to release it as shareware, but, before that I will like
to know if there are people interested in it. About a year ago I contacted
some Casio users that tested a preliminar version of this program, but havent
heard from them since.
Those interested in get a copy of the program, please write directly to me, as
I want to keep a list of the users, for future releases.
*-----------------------------------------------------------------------------*
Jaime Iturbe A.P. 291
Director, Auditoria y Sistemas Cholula, Puebla, MEXICO 72820
Universidad de las Americas, Puebla (52) 22 47 43 21
eMail :
Bitnet : JAIME@UDLAPVMS
Internet:JAIME@UDLAPVMS.PUE.UDLAP.MX
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Date: Thu, 10 Jan 91 12:41:02 GMT
From: MBSFPAW%CMS.Manchester-Computing-Centre.AC.UK@forsythe.stanford.edu
Subject: Disapearing Icons
Hello,
I observed a stange phenomenon on the mac yesterday:
I was installing DeltaGraph1.5 on my hd. This comes with an Excell 2.2
sample sheet and Macro sheet. Excell 2.2 is installed on my HD.
On the floppy, the sample sheet came with its own icon.
Once transfered on the HD, it had disapeared!
The same incident happened with the Macro sheet!!
What's happening?
Yours,
Alain Waha, research assistant in Aeronautical Engineering
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Date: Thu, 10 Jan 91 16:59 EDT
From: GODDEN%RCSMPB@gmr.com
Subject: Distinguishing umlauted characters in HC
Does anyone have an Xcmd/fn to allow a search command in HC to
distinguish umlauted from plain vowels? E.g. if I do a
Find "zaehlen" (where the 'ae' is typed as an umlaut 'a') it will
find either "zaehlen" or "zahlen", whichever comes first. I want
to be able to find only "zaehlen" in such a case. If anyone has
something to accomplish this, please send to me directly since
I have no FTP ability. Thanks.
-Kurt Godden
godden@gmr.com
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Date: Thu, 10 Jan 91 10:50 MET
From: Eduard Hoenkamp <EDH%KUNRC1.URC.KUN.NL@cunyvm.cuny.edu>
Subject: File transfer question
ONLY RELEVANT TO VAX USERS
This is how I have sent files from Vax to Mac succesfully for years.
I use the xmodem protocol which is substantially faster than kermit.
Needed: an emulator that can have its xmodem protocol started from
the host, such as MacTerminal and Versaterm.
First the procedure, then an example
1. list the desired names in a file.
2. globally change each line to start with your xmodem
(or kermit) command.
3. execute the file as command file.
Example for Vax VMS (trivial for Unix), given you use xmac:
1. dir/col=1/out=2mac.com <wildcard for files>
2. global (edit)command to insert '$xmac/send/text' in front
3. @2mac
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Date: Wed, 9 Jan 91 15:15:01 PST
From: 9531sons%ucsbuxa@hub.ucsb.edu (Jamie Sonsini)
Subject: Getting to Apple over bitnet
In comp.sys.mac.digest you write:
>Has anyone out there been successful in getting messages to Apple over
>bitnet? Thus far I have three addresses: USER@Apple.Com,
>USER@Applelink.Apple.com and XB.DAS@STANFORD with APPLELINK in the subject
>line. Which of these is either the correct address or the best address?
>I would appreciate any help possible.
>Is there any way to obtain Apple E-mail addresses over bitnet?
Geoff - I routinely write to my Apple support folks using:
applinkid@applelink.apple.com
I don't put anything but the (real) subject on the subject line. This
has worked just fine for me for a long time (more than a year).
Jamie Sonsini
UC Santa Barbara
9531sons@ucsbvm.bitnet
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Date: Wed, 9 Jan 91 13:37 EDT
From: <PJORGENS%COLGATEU.BITNET@forsythe.stanford.edu> (Peter Jorgensen)
Subject: Hypercard problems
LeRoy Smith of Glendale Community College is right, the following script in the
home stack on a two drive system will always present a dialog box asking where
the stack "lesson 1" is:
on openstack --(or startup)
go to stack "Disk 2:Lesson 1"
end openstack
The cause: HyperCard executes the handler before the second disk is mounted,
even though it is in the drive at startup.
The solution:
on openstack -- home stack
global startticks
put the ticks into startticks
add 10 to startticks -- 6 seconds should be enough for the disk to mount.
pass openstack
end openstack
on idle -- home stack
if the name of this stack contains "home" then pass idle
global startticks
if the ticks > startticks then go to stack "Disk 2:Lesson 1"
pass idle
end idle
This is the solution that I used, anyway.
Peter Jorgensen
Microcomputer specialist, VAX consultant
Colgate University - Hamilton, NY 13346
BITNET - PJORGENSEN@COLGATEU
tel - 315-824-7742
AppleLink - U0523
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Date: Wed, 9 Jan 91 21:04:11 EST
From: jstewart@rodan.acs.syr.edu (Ace Stewart)
Subject: Info-Mac Digest V9 #5
Would some kind soul please tell me how to use REsColours correctly? I
copy all of the resources in its file into a copy of ResEDIT and then
run that copy. However, when and if I use the system to look and cicns,
it quits as soon as I click on the scroll bars with an "Unexpectedly
Quit" sign. I have run it this way with no inits and unusual CDEVs
installed, on a IIsi with 6.07...and its driving me nuts. Help?
Ace
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| Affiliation: Eastman Kodak Company. Rochester New York | _/ \_ |
| Internet/ARPA: jstewart@rodan.acs.syr.edu | \_ _/ |
| Bitnet: jstewart@sunrise.bitnet | /\ A|
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Date: Thu, 10 Jan 91 07:56:39 PST
From: chris@carnival.lbl.gov (Chris Moll)
Subject: Mac NFS
Does anyone have any information on Mac NFS? Does it
exist? Is it an Apple product?
Does it work? Is it useful? Can you use it
across an AppleTalk/Ethernet bridge? Would you want
to?
I think that's enough questions for one day...
Chris Moll
chris@carnival.lbl.gov
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Date: WED JAN 09, 1991 15.25.19 EST
From: <RP06%LEHIGH.BITNET@ricevm1.rice.edu>
Subject: memory upgrade
I want to upgrade the memory of my Plus to 2.5 meg by installing 1 Meg
SIMMs. Unfortunately, I am confronted with a choice of chip speed.
Will the faster, more expensive SIMMs make any difference on the Plus?
Or should I save my money and go for the cheap ones.
Also, self-installation. Any tips or cautions?
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Date: Thu, 10 Jan 91 08:57 CST
From: RINEWALT@gamma.is.tcu.edu
Subject: Monitor Questions
Does anyone have any recommendations for 15" monitors?
A colleague is considering the following:
15" Samsung Full Page Monitor ($495 w/card from SW & HW That Fits)
15" Index Portrait ($579 w/card from Mactel)
Also, Apple's HEPP II price list has the the note
"Display Card is optional for use with Mac IIsi or IIci."
for all monitors except the Two-Page Monochrome. Why? Is it due to
excessive RAM requirements of the larger monitor?
Dick Rinewalt Computer Science Dept Texas Christian Univ
rinewalt@gamma.is.tcu.edu
RINEWALT@TCUCVMS.BITNET
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Date: Wed, 9 Jan 91 16:38:33 EST
From: jeteye@cbl.umd.edu (James Love)
Subject: New SFScrollINIT ??
Netland -
Does anyone have (or can recommend a source) for an updated version
of Andy Hertzfeld's nifty little utility SFScrollINIT ?? This is a small
(less than 5 kb) INIT that retains the scroll bar setting after exiting
>From a dialog box, so that subsequent calls to the same dialog box always
open it where you left off, rather than reverting to the top of the file
list and forcing you to scroll down to find your place. The version I've
used for years (no Get Info version number given, dated 1986) is apparently
incompatible with System 6.0.x, as it bombs spectacularly in the Open File
dialog box of many of my commonly used applications when I attempt to switch
between folders. At first I thought this was due to an INIT conflict, and
got around it by keeping files to be opened in the same folder as the current
application. But I recently purchased INITpicker and checked out the
situation more rigorously - SFScrollINIT will cause system crashes all by
itself, no conflicts necessary ....
So-o-o-o, does anyone have a newer version proven to work with 6.0.x ??
I really like this handy INIT, and would like to keep it operational ....
Thanks for your input - Jim
**************************************************************************
Jim Love InterNet = jeteye@cbl.umd.edu
University of Maryland System/CEES OMNET = c/o C.ZIMMERMANN
Chesapeake Biological Laboratory Voice = (301) 326-4281 x252
Solomons, Maryland 20688-0038 (USA) Fax = (301) 326-6342
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Date: 10 Jan 91 09:20:00 EST
From: "ANVIL::FRANCAVILLA" <francavilla%anvil.decnet@ccf4.nrl.navy.mil>
Subject: problem tape backup
I have a problem that perhaps someone can help me with. I recently
purchased an Apple Tape backup 40SC and a cobra 210e external hard
drive for use with my Mac II. I subsequently discovered that the
backup could not see all the partitions created with the cobra
utility, even though they were visible on the desktop. After a rather
long drawn out exchange with apple through my local dealer, apple
washed their hands of the problem by saying in so many words that
their backup works just fine with apple drives. This leaves me
stuck with an apple product that at this point is not too useful, and
which I am sorry that I bought. It also suggests to me that
at least some of the horror stories I have heard about apple
support for their products might be true. I have heard that third
party software exists, which would successfully operate the apple
tape backup, without the problem I have encountered. I would
appreciate hearing from anyone who could give me the name of the
software so that I could purchase a copy. I can be reached by e-mail
at Rfrancavilla%anvil.decnet@ccf3.nrl.navy.milS
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Date: 9 Jan 91 13:46:06
From: Wolfgang Naegeli <Wolfgang_Naegeli.ED_IAAS@qm01.ctd.ornl.gov>
Subject: Re- R/O Pagemaker
Subject: Time: 1:30 PM
OFFICE MEMO Re: R/O Pagemaker Date:
1/9/91
William Gilbert writes:
> We're looking for a "read-only" version of PageMaker so that
> we can use our E-Mail system to send out our weekly bulletin
> using MicroSoft Mail.
You really don't need a read-only version of PageMaker (nor of any other
application) for that matter. What you need is SuperGlue II from Solutions Inc.
It is an RDEV, i.e. a file you put in your System Folder, which will show up in
your Chooser. When you select it instead of a printer, it will save whatever
document with all its formatting in a read-only format to a disk file.
SuperGlue will cost you about $75 mail order. It comes bundeled with
a small application called Viewer, copies of which you may give away to anyone
you want. The Viewer displays SuperGlue files on the screen and prints them
too.
Also included is a SuperViewer DA, for which, however, licenses need to be
purchased for each user. In addition to displaying and printing, this DA allows
various other functions, including reformatting with different fonts and the
attachment of notes (almost like PostIt notes). The latter is particularly
useful if you want to get feedback from the readers, to whom you sent the
document.
Wolfgang N. Naegeli
President, MacClique--East Tennessee Macintosh Users Group
University of Tennessee & Oak Ridge National Laboratory
Internet: wnn@ornl.gov Bitnet: wnn@ornlstc
Phone: 615-574-6143 Fax: 615-574-6141 (MacFax)
QuickMail (QM-QM): Wolfgang Naegeli @ 615-574-4510
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Date: Thu, 10 Jan 91 10:11 GMT
From: David Riddle <UDUS010%OAK.CC.KCL.AC.UK@forsythe.stanford.edu>
Subject: Request for help with transferring files to a Macintosh SE
All files received as FTP or text documents need to be converted from HEX to
binary format using a utility called BinHex. This is either available as a
separate utility program, or can be found WITHIN Stuffit under the Other menu
as 'Decode BinHex file'. This should produce a Stuffit archive of one or more
files which can then be converted into separate applications/documents or
whatever using the other facilities in Stuffit.
Hope this helps.
David Riddle
King's College London
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Date: Wed, 9 Jan 91 23:34:17 GMT
From: Sak Wathanasin <sw@network-analysis-ltd.co.uk>
Subject: Serial to Appletalk printing
> Does anyone have a newer version of ATPrint (the version I have is
> 86.1b) or a similar program that will run on Macintosh II computers
> or under MultiFinder?
> ATPrint is a program that will take any data coming in the modem
> port, convert it to appletalk packets, and fire it out the printer
> port. The idea being that you can print from a non-appletalk
Yes, I submitted a program called Janus to the sumex archives that does this.
It has since been purged from the archives because few people were downloading
it (I guess everyone has ethernet these days :-), but you can still get
a copy from the following FTP sites:
vega.hut.fi in /pub/mac/connectivity
ux1.cso.uiuc.edu in the directory /mac/MUG
mcsun.eu.net in the directory comp/mac/misc
and perhaps some other places as well.
Incidentally, I tried it on System 7.0 the other day, and it works if
you put (or copy) the LaserWriter file in the System folder instead of
in the "Extensions" folder (an alias may work as well; I haven't tried
that).
Also, of course the contact addr in the docs is out of date and you should
use the address below.
Best regards
---
Sak Wathanasin
Network Analysis Limited
uucp: ...!ukc!nan!sw
other: sw@network-analysis-ltd.co.uk
phone: (+44) 203 419996
snail: 178 Wainbody Ave South, Coventry CV3 6BX, UK
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Date: Thu, 10 Jan 91 11:44 EDT
From: HERREN@midd.cc.middlebury.edu
Subject: Tabby for the Mac--Fidonet
Tabby is available from:
Michael Connick & Co.
PO Box 307
Bradley Beach, NJ 07720
It is commercial and I believe that the current price is about $85.00.
I run it and it is quite stable as long as the DOS mailer that you are
connected to is absolutely standard and complies with all fidonet guidelines.
If not, you will have problems with it. In most cases the DOS mailer can
be configured to be standard, but many DOS sysops are uncooperative and
refuse to believe that the problem could lie with their system (after all,
they are using a "real" computer... ;-) )
There are literally hundreds of "Tabby compatible" utilities available for
use with Tabby and the mac that perform various and sundry maintenance
tasks for maintaining your Bulletin Board. Significant among them are ALL
the utilities written by Pete Johnson (eg., mehitabel, ff, Areatrix, Logomatic,
Timport, Texport, Gliders, fakebot, timestart, timestop, TSet, etc.) I
maintain that running a Mac based BBS without Pete Johnson utilites is near
to impossible--certainly plain stupid. Pete's stuff is available from:"
Pete Johnson
Glassell Park BBS
PO Box 65074
Los Angeles, CA 90065
-David
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Date: Wed, 9 Jan 91 12:05:12 EST
From: wang@pennmess.physics.upenn.edu ( Huangxin Wang)
Subject: Think C for students?
My opiniont here is inspired by the posting from
ISSTTH%NUSVM.BITNET@ricevm1.rice.edu about IBM and game machines. I
think Apple should encourage (i.e., make it affordable) the computer
science students or even all students to program on Mac, rather than
just use Mac (that one of the great benefit of having a Mac: you not
only get the CPU and softwares, but also get a library for your
programming). Right now the programming on Mac is too much a
professional thing ("Apple Developper"?) and that might really hurt
Apple's future and popularity among orthodox computer students, who in
their training, can only afford to learn Turbo Pascal. I meet some very
talented CS students who love to write on Mac, but the situation is not at
all straight: he has to either work for company to become an Apple
Developper or using pirate version of compiler. It's quite sad to see
that in some computational physics programming competition among
students, most porgrams were written on PC, even though some the major
criterion for the award was "easy to use user interface" and
"graphics".
Only when Mac programming (not just used as a word processor)
become a standard or commonplace in CS students can Apple really say it
will stand on. Besides, Mac programming is really unconventional.
After one learns the classical C book, one cannot still write a
Mac-like program on Mac.
It might not be realistic for Apple to give out its MPW among
CS department, but Think C should be able to become as popular
affordable as Turbo Pascal. Apple should fight to become a standard
course in computer science in university education. (The standard
textbook about computer in CS department usually has one or two
paragraphs about Mac, then the whole book is on the glory history of
the evolution of a dinosaur, say, how a PC can eventually do the
AMAZING things of multitasking, or even WINDOW, GUI stuffs).
Huangxin Wang, University of Pennsylvania
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Date: Wed, 09 Jan 91 17:59:29 CST
From: Graeme Forbes <PL0BALF@vm.tcs.tulane.edu>
Subject: Unfreezing a screen
In response to a question about unfreezing a screen using the interrupt
switch: after pressing the switch a small display box should appear with
a prompt. Type: SM 0 A9F4, then Return, then G 0, then Return. In my
experience, this will send you back to the Finder about 4 times in every
10. Probably it's not documented because it's not reliable.
Graeme Forbes
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Date: Thu, 10 Jan 91 07:55 EST
From: KARL WALDMAN <KWALDMAN@wash-vax.bbn.com>
Subject: writing applications
I need to write an application on the Macintosh. I have the
think C++ complier but I usually write applications with simple Unix like
interfaces. I need to write an application with multiple windows, etc. and
was wondering what manuals I need to read before starting?
Thanks in advance for your help
Karl
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