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Info-Mac Digest Tue, 29 Jan 91 Volume 9 : Issue 24 Today's Topics: Blinking screen close folder/volume w/HC sc CricketGraph 1.3 on IIsi DeskWriter Discounts Fast Analog-Digital Systems Query Fax modems Freehand HD booting problems IBM files w/Mac Info-Mac Digest V9 Info-Mac Digest V9 #22 Line in Sony monitors MacHack 91 Mac II LC MacIIsi compared to other Macs Mac vs. IBM MIDI interface schematic wanted ... MineSweeper for the Mac Norton Optimizer Quits Numerical Methods Hypercard Stack by Brian Arnold Portrait for the LC Programmer's Switch on IIsi Responder INIT? SFScrollInit/System 6.0.7 conflict? Symbol bold Thanks .... Your Info-Mac Moderators are Bill Lipa, Lance Nakata, and Jon Pugh. The Info-Mac archives are available (by using FTP, account anonymous, any password) in the info-mac directory on sumex-aim.stanford.edu [36.44.0.6]. Help files are in /info-mac/help. Indices are in /info-mac/help/recent-files.txt and /info-mac/help/all-files.txt. Please send articles and binaries to info-mac@sumex-aim.stanford.edu. Send administrative mail to info-mac-request@sumex-aim.stanford.edu. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Tue, 29 Jan 91 15:19:47 EST From: "J.P. Martinez-Soriano" <UOG00033@vm.uoguelph.ca> Subject: Blinking screen I would appreciate if you could post the following message in your list: Hello Mac gurus !!! I need some help here. My Mac Plus blinks very badly every time it accepts a diskette into its floppy drive. It started to happen once in a while but now it happens so often that it's starting to worry me. On one ocassion the screen went blank for several seconds but the System didn't crash; this led me to think that it's a hardware rather than a software problem, but who knows. I really would appreciate if anybody could give me a hand or have an idea of what's going on with my Mac. Thanks a lot in advance, J.P. Martinez-Soriano e-mail: uog00033@UOGUELPH.BITNET ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 29 Jan 1991 14:31:54 PST From: Nethery.Parc@xerox.com Subject: close folder/volume w/HC sc Have heard that this is possible and would like to know how to do it. I'm running Hypercard under MultiFinder. The user has opened bunch-o-folders to select a document or a stack or whatever. When they are in my stack, under script control I want to close all the folders and volumes so that the desktop looks just like it does after you rebuild the desktop. I don't care to close any documents left open by other applications and I don't care to re-open the folders when I'm done with my HyperCard task. Just want to close all folders and volumes under script control. Any suggestions? If there is a Finder call that does this I could have someone write an XCMD. If there is an XCMD, I'd surely love a pointer to it. Thanks, Kee Nethery Institute for Research on Learning nethery.parc@xerox.com ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 29 Jan 91 09:48:57 EST From: Murph Sewall <SEWALL%UCONNVM.BITNET@forsythe.stanford.edu> Subject: CricketGraph 1.3 on IIsi On 25 Jan 91 20:07:20 GMT you said: >We're having a problem running CricketGraph on a IIsi. It runs >fine on a IIsi with 4megs, but it will not run on one with only >2 megs. CG's memory request size is 768K and we have over 1000K >free. CG just quits under MultiFinder and it gives a bus error >under plain Finder. Any ideas?? The latest version is 1.3.2. Earlier versions experience a variety of difficulty (commonly not working at all) on the IIci and subsequent Macs. I contacted Computer Associates, 40 Valley Stream Parkway, Malvern, Pa 19355 (215) 251-9890 and they sent me the current version at no charge. It works fine (although I must admit I haven't tried it at less than 4 Mbytes). /s Murph <Sewall%UConnVM.BITNET@CUNYVM.CUNY.Edu> [Internet] or ...{psuvax1 or mcvax}!uconnvm.bitnet!sewall [UUCP] + Standard disclaimer applies ("The opinions expressed are my own" etc.) ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 29 Jan 91 11:20:54 CST From: Graeme Forbes <PL0BALF@vm.tcs.tulane.edu> Subject: DeskWriter Discounts Anyone thinking of buying the HP DeskWriter should contact Dataprint (800-222-9707) for their catalogue. They give educational discounts and their D W price is $577. Graeme Forbes ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 29 Jan 91 14:57 EST From: R_SCHAAF%uvmvax.bitnet@forsythe.stanford.edu Subject: Fast Analog-Digital Systems Query Greetings from Vermont.. We are looking to build a very fast computer control and data aquisition setup to do insect flight muscle mechanics, and would prefer to use a Mac based system. Basically, we are going to need to be able to sinusoidally jiggle small muscle fibers up to around 1.5KHz and simultaneously record its response from a force transducer attached on the other side. I've heard and seen a little of 'MacLab?' but would like to hear about any other suggestions as well as where to get more info. Obviously, it's going to have to be very fast, and we'll need to know things like the max sampling rate, etc. Thanks, Please respond to me and I'll sum. Ric Schaaf Dept. of Physiology & Biophysics University of Vermont ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 29 Jan 91 10:33:12 -0500 From: macmgr%tammy@das.harvard.edu (Mac Manager) Subject: Fax modems I am about to purchase a faxmodem to accompany an LC and HP SCANJET II with sheet feeder. 1) Does anyone know of fax software/hardware which would spool incoming faxes directly to the laserwriter? 2) Does anyone love/hate their dovefax,prometheus or abaton software/hardware? thanks Andrew macmgr@tammy.harvard.edu ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 29 Jan 91 08:47 EST From: "Mark Nutter, Apple Support" <MANUTTER%IUP.BITNET@forsythe.stanford.edu> Subject: Freehand Ewald Jenisch writes: >When you import images with the "place"-Command into Freehand - how >can you modify them after they've been imported? >What I want is to *cut off* portions of the 'place'd image. Use the freehand tool (or any of the other tools on the palette, for that matter) and create a shape that encloses the part of the placed image that you want to keep, then Cut the placed image, select the shape you just created, and use Paste Inside from the Edit menu. Be aware, however, that Paste Inside makes for more complicated PostScript, so if you do this a lot in one document you may see some long print times and even an occasional failure to print. Mark Nutter MANUTTER@IUP Apple Support Manager Indiana University of Pennsylvania "You can lead a horse to water, but you can't look in his mouth." - Archie B. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 29 Jan 91 06:54:43 EST From: Pete Tamas <V5296E%TEMPLEVM.BITNET@ricevm1.rice.edu> Subject: HD booting problems I noticed in an old Info-mac (vol 8 no 70) that Karl Berg said that his MacII "won't boot from a hard-drive, and when I insert a floppy disk, it boots correc tly, but there is no hard-drive icon! So, I reboot with the floppy a couple of times and, finally, the hard-drive starts spinning and boots the computer." I have seen this problems pretty frequently since last summer. On one occasion, I replaced the drivers and the HD has operated flawlessly since October or so. Anyone seen this problem & have any ideas? Thanks- Pete Acknowledge-To: <V5296E@TEMPLEVM> ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 29 Jan 91 09:54:03 EST From: Murph Sewall <SEWALL%UCONNVM.BITNET@forsythe.stanford.edu> Subject: IBM files w/Mac On Mon, 28 Jan 1991 06:13:20 GMT you said: >I have no experience with AccessPC, but I can note that DosMounter will try >to write a desktop file to the IBM diskette, and therefore not be happy >with any write protected diskettes you may meet. One of the advantages of AccessPC. To write a desktop file or not is an option for unprotected disks and, naturally, isn't attempted on locked ones. >Other than that, It makes the dos diskette appear as a normal macintosh >disk on the desktop (with a couple of minor things like the filenames >are usually in all caps) to distinguish it. One "cute" feature of AccessPC is you can associate Mac applications with designated MeSsy DOS extentions. For example, if name.WP is used for Word Perfect files, I can double click name.WP on an MS Dos disk and MacWrite II will launch and translate PC WP 5.x to MacWrite II without further ado. /s Murph <Sewall%UConnVM.BITNET@CUNYVM.CUNY.Edu> [Internet] or ...{psuvax1 or mcvax}!uconnvm.bitnet!sewall [UUCP] + Standard disclaimer applies ("The opinions expressed are my own" etc.) ------------------------------ Date: Tuesday, 29 Jan 1991 15:03:31 EET From: JACOB MATTHAN <SO-JAM%finou.oulu.fi@forsythe.stanford.edu> Subject: Info-Mac Digest V9 Niel Cordwell writes about the problem of sending shareware fees. I had the same problem here in Finland. The method I use is risky but I always tell the party that I am using this method. I buy Dollars or Sterling notes in reasonable quantities as the conversion fees in Finland are atrocious. The banks charge 5 Dollars for buying currency. I then send it by normal post to the authors if they live in USA or UK. If they live outside of these countries then I ask them for an address in these countries where I can send the letter. If the sum is large then I register the letter. JACOB MATTHAN MICROELECTRONICS LABORATORY UNIVERSITY OF OULU OULU, FINLAND. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 29 Jan 91 08:40:32 PST From: Michael O'Henly <LUX@uvvm.uvic.ca> Subject: Info-Mac Digest V9 #22 Re: SoftPC I've been using SoftPC with the EGA extensions for a little while and I'm quite impressed. It's the computing equivalent for teaching a pig to whistle. To answer the question about graphics performance... No, I wouldn't recom- mend using SoftPC to run CAD or other graphics-intensive software. Of course, you probably wouldn't want to use a _real_ 8 Mhz. AT for those purposes either. With that one caveat, I think SoftPC does a remarkable job. For instance, I use the 4DOS command interpreter and all kinds of rude TSRs without any com- plaints. It's a little eerie the first time you see that teletype-style "DIR" display roll up your screen (quick now! - hit that pause key!). A guy I work with actually had Windows 3.0 running under SoftPC (speaking of eerie)... Michael. lux@uvvm.uvic.ca McPherson Library, University of Victoria, Victoria, B.C., Canada ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 29 Jan 91 16:20:28 EST From: doug@end.tufts.edu (Doug Larrick) Subject: Line in Sony monitors This line is the wire that is used to hold the shadow mask in place, and is *not* a defect. It is present on all Trinitron tubes Sony makes (there are two on the big ones, one 1/3 from the top & one 1/3 from the bottom), and is the reason Sony can make a video tube that is not curved from top to bottom, but only left to right, while maintaining good focus over the whole screen. -Doug Larrick ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 28 Jan 91 19:59:18 EST From: waldemar@ai.mit.edu (Waldemar Horwat) Subject: MacHack 91 Call for Papers MacHack '91 June 19 - 22, 1991 Ann Arbor, Michigan The MacHack '91 Proceedings Committee is soliciting papers for the sixth annual MacHack conference. The conference is a technical forum on the Macintosh computer and personal computing in general and includes programming, networking, operating system, tools, novice, business, and research tracks. Possible topics include, but are not limited to: Future Evolution of Personal Computing Object-Oriented Programming Parallel Processing Intelligent Applications Networking Simulation Graphics and Multimedia User Interface Research Case studies Project Development Legal Aspects of Computing Macintosh System 7.0 and beyond A/UX OS/2 and Windows 3.0 Macintosh Hardware and Cards International Programming Macintosh Languages and Tools Useful Algorithms and Hacks Paper presenters will receive free conference registrations and special recognition. Please submit short abstracts (one page or less) by February 1, 1991. Papers are due by May 1, 1991. ABOUT MACHACK: MacHack '91 (also known as the Macintosh Technical Conference) is the sixth annual MacHack conference held in Ann Arbor, Michigan. The conference is a technical forum on the Macintosh computer and personal computing in general and includes programming, networking, operating system, tools, novice, business, and research tracks. The conference is comprised of paper presentations, speaker and panel sessions, business seminars, roundtables and code clinics, vendor demonstrations, and a contest. The papers and sessions cover almost all aspects of the Macintosh, ranging from running a software business to System 7.0 tutorials. The roundtables and code clinics can be prearranged or ad hoc; they provide an opportunity to discuss a problem or an area of interest in depth with experts >From the industry. The 1990 MacHack conference included over fifty presentations and sessions in addition to the roundtables, code clinics, and vendor demonstrations. On the fun side, many conference participants compete in a "best Macintosh hack" contest by writing hacks. A "hack" is defined as a small utility program that does something useful, clever, aesthetically pleasing, or completely pointless. Past examples include hacks that add customizable color icons to the Macintosh Finder, animate pictures in word processor documents, or improve the appearance of windows. Past hacks (many with source code) can be found on a CD-ROM available from Expotech. Conference attendees will be given a set of proceedings disks that contain the 1991 hacks, and a new CD-ROM will be pressed after the conference. A machine room stocked with several dozen networked Macintosh IIs and other equipment will be open and available to attendees 24 hours a day during the conference. Conference attendance is limited to 300 attendees (Last year the attendance was about 250; the conference might overflow this year, so please register early). The attendees come from a variety of backgrounds, ranging from computer science research to business, but most share a passion for programming and using the Macintosh and other personal computers. A large number of Apple engineers and managers attend the conference every year, as do many of the top third-party software engineers. REGISTRATION The conference registration cost is $295 for preregistration before March 15, 1991 and $345 afterwards. Conference registration includes 3 lunches, a banquet, proceedings, and proceedings disks. Student discounts are available. Conference registration is FREE for paper presenters. For more information contact: Waldemar Horwat, Proceedings Chairman or Aimee Moran, Expotech: Expotech, Inc. 1264 Bedford Rd. Grosse Pointe Park, MI 48230 313-882-1824 Internet: waldemar@ai.mit.edu, expotech@applelink.apple.com CIS: 72000,400 AppleLink, GEnie or MacNet: EXPOTECH ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 29 Jan 91 11:08 EST From: Chris Schmechel <CHRIS%DUKEMVS.BITNET@forsythe.stanford.edu> Subject: Mac II LC The Macintosh LC is finally on sale at our campus computer store. I have heard rumors about compatability problems with some software... can anyone elaborate on that. Also expandibility is still unknown as to what Apple is going to do. Chris Schmechel Duke U. Academic Computing ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 29 Jan 91 17:07 N From: <INMULLER%CNEDCU51.BITNET@forsythe.stanford.edu> Subject: MacIIsi compared to other Macs First of all, I would like to thank the people who sent me useful advices for understanding my MacIIsi slowliness. Some of the suggestions was about the absence of Math coprocessor but I have one. The others was about the load implied by using colors. Finally, someone suggested to use Speedometer to check what is going on. Here is the answer: Tests with Speedometer (which, by the way, tends to bomb on MacIIsi): -------------------------------------------------------------------- Explanations: Whetstones and Dhrystone: the bigger, the faster Sieve and Savage: time spend in seconds CPU, Math, Disk: ratio of SE speed MacIIC and MacIIsiC: MacII and MacIIsi with 256 colors MacIIBW and MacIIsiBW: MacII and MacIIsi with Black and White MacSE MacSE/30 MacIIC MacIIBW MacIIsiC MacIIsiBW KWhetstones/s ? 588.23 480.00 483.87 454.54 705.88 Dhrystones/s ? 3816.80 2923.98 2935.42 2388.53 4545.45 Sieve ? 6.00 7.92 7.90 6.00 4.77 Savage ? 11.15 12.07 11.98 11.15 9.23 CPU 1.00 4.29 3.36 3.38 2.87 5.22 Math 1.00 104.80 91.93 93.57 80.62 124.76 Disk 1.00 2.67 2.52 2.48 3.28 3.46 Comments: 1. the high Math ratio is due to the presence (and use) of the math-coprocessor 2. using color on MacII has almost no impact on CPU performances 3. in B/W mode, MacIIsi is, as expected, faster than MacSE/30 3. using color on MacIIsi has a HUGE IMPACT on CPU performances almost a factor of 2, it means the CPU uses almost half of his time refreshing the screen (or waiting for accessing RAM). 4. MacIIsi using color IS SLOWER THAN MacII The feeling I have when looking at these results is to throw away my MacIIsi right in the trash and recover my old, good MacII. It seems to me that, at least, such a "feature" should be warned about when selling a computer. But, maybe (I hope), I missed the right line of the documentation. Jean-Pierre Muller, a Deceived Mac User ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 29 Jan 91 15:13 CDT From: Kyle Griffin -- DMLVR <KG0041A@acad.drake.edu> Subject: Mac vs. IBM In the debate over Mac prices and why someone wouldn't buy a 386 machine for $1200 over a $1000 Classic, I remind the person that with the Classic, you get the networking hardware built-in, built-in SCSI hardware, 1.4Mb 3.5" drive, 1Mb upgradable to 4Mb USEABLE memory under current system software (no waiting for OS2) and the always-present GUI that is distinctly Macintosh. The choice you make just depends upon what your priorities are -- do you want a pleasant, easy-to-use machine that's easy to upgrade and moderate on speed, or a machine that's a speed-demon, but is far from user-friendly and is a SOB to upgrade. As an analogy, condider cars -- why someone would choose a Honda Accord over a Mustang -- it depends on your priorities. Do you want a bare-bones speed machine or a solid family car? ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 29 Jan 91 14:55:51 EST From: dcousins@bbn.com Subject: MIDI interface schematic wanted ... I'd like a copy of the MIDI schematics for the mac... my fax # is 401- 849-8611 thanks dave cousins ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 29 Jan 91 10:11:22 EST From: gateh%conncoll.bitnet@forsythe.stanford.edu Subject: MineSweeper for the Mac I played a game called MineSweeper under Windows 3.0 this weekend, and am wondering if a version exists for the Mac. For those who haven't seen it, it is a simple yet highly addictive game wherein you search an square "ocean" for mines. Each square contains either nothing, a number denoting how many mines are adjacent to the square, or a mine. The player may, based on the numbers, choose to "step" on the square, or mark it as a mine. Object of the game is to mark all the mines accurately in as little time as possible without hitting a mine. The game had three basic settings, Beginner, Intermediate, and Advanced, which varied the size of the playing area and the number of mines. There was also a Custom option so the player could choose themselves. A great game for bending the mind. Thanks much in advance for any info. Gregg TeHennepe | SysAdm, Academic Computing | Yes, but this gateh@conncoll.bitnet | Connecticut College, New London, CT | one goes to 11... ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 29 Jan 91 13:05 EDT From: TSUMA KAVAZI <ROSKAR@jhuvms.hcf.jhu.edu> Subject: Norton Optimizer Quits I just got Norton Utilities and ran the disk optimizer. It worked fine until the end, when it gave me this dialog: "The extents directory on this disk contains an invalid node--node #0 It's too deep. Optimization cancelled. Your files are safe." The default button said FIX, the other CANCEL. Tried both. Then I tried running disk doctor, and it found nothing. I tried the optimizer again, and the same thing would happen. Will try tech support again later, but in the meantime, does anyone have any ideas on how to fix this problem? I am not afraid of using the disk editor to fix the extents directory myself. Thank you. Best Regards, Veljko Roskar Internet: roskar@jhuvms.hcf.jhu.edu Baltimore, Maryland UUCP: uunet!mimsy!aplcen!jhunix!kavazi!roskar USA FAX: +1 (301) 366-6247 ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 29 Jan 91 07:58:00 PST From: Douglas_Sly@cc.sfu.ca Subject: Numerical Methods Hypercard Stack by Brian Arnold Can anyone help me with an address to get a copy of Brian Arnold's NUMERICAL METHODS hypercard stack posted here some months ago? I lost my copy and it is no longer posted in the archives. The stack is quite useful. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 29 Jan 91 10:32:29 -0500 From: macmgr%tammy@das.harvard.edu (Mac Manager) Subject: Portrait for the LC Here is what I know about LC monitor solutions. 1) Lapis technologies (415) 748-1600 has low cost full page monochrome card and monitor solutions. I just ordered their LC-FPD for use with an apple full page display. 2) Rasterops (408) 562-4200 has a medium cost grey scale full page solution. 3) Nec Macsync does not work on the LC because the Macsync syncs on green and does not multisync. Other Apple on board video and video cards do both. I don't know what "syncing" is, I am just relating what NEC told me when I called them. Andrew macmgr@tammy.harvard.edu ------------------------------ Date: 29 Jan 91 08:32:00 MST From: "5268 Spires, Shannon V." <svspire@sandia.gov> Subject: Programmer's Switch on IIsi In V9-22, zsuzsi@medcor.mcgill.ca (Zsuzsanna Bencsath) writes: > 4. Programmer switch equivalent on the si. > Where is it? Apple, in its infinite wisdom, has removed the hardware programmer's switch on the IIsi (and perhaps on the Classic and LC, but I'm not sure about those). The effect of the Interrupt and Reset functions is now done on the keyboard: Option-PowerOn does Interrupt, and Cmd-Option-PowerOn does Reset (or something like that, but I'm not absolutely sure. The PowerOn switch in the upper right corner of the keyboard is definitely involved.) This is documented in one of the manuals that comes with the IIsi. Time will tell whether this is as reliable as a hardware switch. -- Shannon Spires Sandia National Laboratories, Albuquerque, NM Internet: SVSPIRE@SANDIA.GOV ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 29 Jan 91 13:52:22 EST From: Tom Prusa <TPRUSA@sbccvm> Subject: Responder INIT? Could someone please tell me what the Responder INIT does? thanks, tom prusa ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 29 Jan 91 13:48:01 -0800 From: krweiss@ucdavis.edu Subject: SFScrollInit/System 6.0.7 conflict? Since updating to System 6.0.7 I have encountered crashes which I think are related to SFScrollInit. Has anyone else encountered this? SFScrollInit patches the SFGet routine so that the file lists in Open and Save dialog boxes remain in the last scrolled position, instead of starting at the top of the alphabet each time you open the dialog box. Configuration: MacIIci, 5MB RAM, 8bit internal color Inits/Cdevs: Gatekeeper, Gatekeeper Aid, MacTCP, On Cue, Guard Dog, PopChar, SuperClock, ZoomBar, ATM, SnapJot, Disinfectant Init, and the standard Apple Inits and Cdevs. And, of course, SFScrollInit The problem manifests itself in Save dialog boxes, but not Open dialog boxes. As soon as I try to change folders, the system dumps. In Multifinder I get "Application quit unexpectedly", and in Finder I get a Bus Error. I tried removing all non-Apple Inits and Cdevs except SFScrollInit, and got the same results. Removing SFScrollInit and nothing else eliminated the problem. I have tried both version 1.0 of SFScrollInit, and an unknown version with a file type of System instead of Startup. If this was Soundmaster or The Grouch, or some other recreational Init, I'd just live without it, but I *really* like SFScrollInit. Is there a more recent version, a patch, or other solution to my woes? Ken Weiss krweiss@ucdavis.edu ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 29 Jan 91 15:20:17 MET From: Anders Liljegren <andersl@snobben.teknikum.uu.se> Subject: Symbol bold I encountered the problem with printing in Symbol bold a couple of years ago. For a long time I used a work-arround which consisted of having another copy of the Symbol screen font called something different, e.g. symbo2, in my system. When I wanted to print in Symbol bold I used Symbo2 bold instead. This meant that the system didn't recognise the screen font Symbo2 as corresponding to the Laser font Symbol. It then used the standard way of printing fonts not available on the LaserWriter, namely to use the screen font instead, just smoothing it a bit. This works quite well, even if you don't get the same quality as with laser fonts. I didn't solve the problem for good until I got hold of a copy of "Apple LaserWriter Reference". The solution is described on page 29, table 2-1 in this book. It consists of changing 1 (one) bit in the Symbol screen font with ResEdit or some similar program. I case you don't have the book, I will here try to describe how to do it. 1) Play it safe, make a copy of the Symbol screen font using the FontMover. 2) Start ResEdit. 3) Open the file in which you have the Symbol copy, by double-clicking on it's name in ResEdits window. 4) Double-click on "FOND" in the new window. 5) Double-click on "FOND Symbol ID=23" in the new window. 6) Scroll the new window until you come to "Offset to style mapping tables" and write down the hex number in the box. In my copy it's 274. 7) Close the last widow you opened. 8) Mark the entry mentioned in point 5, if it's not already marked. 9) Select "Open General" under the "File" menu. 10) Scroll down until you reach the address you wrote down earlier. In my case the address to the left should be 270. The first byte (two hex digits) to the right is then at address 270, the next byte is at 271, and so forth. The interesting byte is at address 275 = 274+1. 11) This byte is 1D in my copy. Change bit number 4 to 0, i.e. change the hex number to 0D in my case. 12) Quit ResEdit, saving the changes to the Symbol copy. 13) Use the FontMover to remove the Symbol font from your system and replace it with the modified copy. 14) That's it! You should now get both Symbol bold and Symbol bold italic on the Laser Writer, with full resolution. Can someone at Apple or Adobe tell me why this was not the default from the beginning. According to standard for writing formulas, all vectors should be in bold or bold italic and often you must use greek letters when you run out of latin ones. This has created a lot of trouble for a lot of people. =============================================================================== Anders Liljegren Telephone: Nat 18-18 31 02 Avd. f. teor. elektroteknik Int +46 18 18 31 02 Inst. f. teknologi, Uppsala universitet Fax: Nat 18-15 49 17 Box 534 Int +46 18 15 49 17 S-751 21 UPPSALA Sweden Internet: andersl@snobben.Teknikum.UU.SE =============================================================================== ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 29 Jan 91 08:44:11 -0600 From: "V. J. Melim" <melim@mp.cs.niu.edu> Subject: Thanks .... Thanks to all who replied to my query about the Zapf Dingbats font. It seems that this font is supplied with the Laserwriter. After using the "Sneakernet" to access one of our isolated Laserwriters I was able to obtain the font. Thanks again all ...... Regards, Vernon J. Melim Departments of Computer Science and Physics Northern Illinois University melim@cs.niu.edu melim@encore.mcs.anl.gov ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 29 Jan 91 17:08:46 CST From: John Venable <JMVENABL%SAMFORD.BITNET@forsythe.stanford.edu> I would like to subscribe to a list which deals with Novell networks. Any suggestions would be most appreciated. Thanks. John Venable Samford University Birmingham AL 35229 (205) 870-2685 BITNET JMVENABL@SAMFORD ------------------------------ End of Info-Mac Digest ******************************