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Info-Mac Digest Mon, 18 Feb 91 Volume 9 : Issue 42 Today's Topics: [*] Analog and Digital Circuit Analysis Programs: A Review (long) [*] DoveFax info [*] Flash-Editing freeware for Quark [*] IM DA 2.0 demo 680x0 assembly on the Mac Access the Control Panel INIT AfterDark "flying toasters" (?) A Laserwriter Drawing Question Color control Compact Pro and BinHex (2 msgs) Dimming the screen thru software Disk I/O speed on a IIsi: CURED Flame on Shareware Games on IIsi Inter-Process(or) communications Medical image processing software MiniWRITER and 6.0.5 naming devices on appletalk Pembroke font; Font downloading Please post some desperately needed files Printing Problems Quote-INIT Seek info-macl-request address Standardizing Documentation Standard ReadMe files for the Mac Startup Order of Applications SuperDrive Upgrade query TeachText (Maker) The Namer TogSnd vs. Set Sound Vision Lab info? What Program Called Me? The Info-Mac newsgroup is moderated by Bill Lipa, Lance Nakata, and Jon Pugh. The Info-Mac archives are available (by using FTP, account anonymous, any password) in the info-mac directory on sumex-aim.stanford.edu [36.44.0.6]. Help files and indices are in /info-mac/help. Please send articles and binaries to info-mac@sumex-aim.stanford.edu. Send administrative mail to info-mac-request@sumex-aim.stanford.edu. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Fri, 15 Feb 91 18:47:23 PST From: siegman@sierra.stanford.edu (Anthony E. Siegman) Subject: [*] Analog and Digital Circuit Analysis Programs: A Review (long) ANALOG AND DIGITAL CIRCUIT ANALYSIS PROGRAMS FOR THE MACINTOSH Messages keep appearing on Mac newsgroups asking about analog and digital circuit analysis programs for the Macintosh. This is a brief summary of two digital and two analog circuit analysis programs I know about, plus three additional programs that may be of interest to electrical engineers, students, and teachers. The programs reviewed here are: --DigSim and LogiMac: two quite good digital circuit analysis programs --IsSPICE and Micro-CAP II: two rather poor analog circuit programs --MacFlow: a drawing program said to be good for drawing circuits --TLS: A very good wave propagation and transmission line simulator --PARAXIA: A package of optics programs from my own lab [Archived as /info-mac/report/circuit-analysis-programs.txt; 19K] ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 15 Feb 91 13:19:44 GMT From: Michael Everson <MEVERC95%IRLEARN.BITNET@forsythe.stanford.edu> Subject: [*] DoveFax info Recently I sang some praises about my DoveFax. I received some queries for information, so here's the best answers I could give... [Archived as /info-mac/report/dove-fax.txt; 6K] ------------------------------ Date: 12 Feb 91 10:58:46 U From: "Glenn Fleishman" <Glenn_Fleishman@yccatsmtp.ycc.yale.edu> Subject: [*] Flash-Editing freeware for Quark The following is a freeware extension for Quark Xpress which apparently comes >From France originally. Its main intent is for service bureau installations. After placing it in the Xpress folder and running the program, FlashEditing will appear as a menu item under Utilities when any file is opened for edited. When selected, the extension prompts you for various details about the job: name of client, job number, resolution of output, etc. When all questions are answered, the extension creates a two page (or more depending on the number of fonts) Xpress document with all of that information formatted, and adds system details, such as fonts used. This can then be output and given back to the service bureau client along with the job. Disclaimer: I have no connection with the programmers of this extension, but received it as freeware and am passing it along as such. Are there other Xpress free- or shareware extensions out there besides those already posted to the info-mac archives? Glenn Fleishman, Yale Printing Service [Archived as /info-mac/app/quark-flash-editing.hqx; 30K] ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 12 Feb 91 09:49:05 GMT From: Sak Wathanasin <sw@network-analysis-ltd.co.uk> Subject: [*] IM DA 2.0 demo In response to several requests following my msg on Info-Mac, I am attaching the demo version of the Inside Mac DA v 2.0. I am not sending the full version both because of its size, and out of deference to the wishes of the author, Bernard Gallet. I suggest that the version that is now in the archives *not* be deleted since the demo version has a much reduced manual. I do not know if the demo version will work with the v 1.x manual. M. Gallet's addr for those of you who missed it is: 660 Miller Ave Cupertino CA 95014 Best regards Sak [Archived as /info-mac/demo/inside-mac-da-20.hqx; 112K] ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 15 Feb 91 16:07 EST From: Andrew Lewis <LEWIS%ITHACA.BITNET@forsythe.stanford.edu> Subject: 680x0 assembly on the Mac I know C and Pascal (also BASIC :) ), and know next to nothing about assembly level programming. Can anyone recommend a good book that covers any of the following: 1) Assembly programming (for the concepts involved, not machine dependent any more than necessary 2) Assembly for the 680x0 series chips, presuming a knowledge of assembly programming 3) Assembly for the 680x0 series, not presuming knowledge of assembly programming 4 and 5) Assembly programming specifically for the Macintosh, either with or without knowledge of assembly Please send me your recommendations/stories/etc., and I will post my results to info-mac. Thanks! Andrew Lewis - LEWIS@ITHACA - Disclaimer: No need, I'm a peon :) ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 16 Feb 91 21:38 EST From: Wilson Chan <W0CHAN01%ulkyvx.bitnet@forsythe.stanford.edu> Subject: Access the Control Panel INIT >I am looking for a pd INIT that allows system administrators to prevent >users from accessing the Control Panel. I believe it is called >"NoControlPanel INIT". The easiest way to defeat this problem is to remove the desk assessory "Control Panel" on all of the users machines using Font/DA Mover. ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 16 Feb 91 11:54:05 EST From: Murph Sewall <SEWALL%UCONNVM.BITNET@forsythe.stanford.edu> Subject: AfterDark "flying toasters" (?) On Fri, 15 Feb 91 14:15:12 EST you said: > I am trying to locate the modules for the AfterDark screensaver >which show "flying toasters" and also "fishes". I have looked through >the ones available on sumex-aim.stanford.edu but to no avail. Those modules are included with version 2.0. If you are a registered owner of an earlier version, contact Berkeley Systems about an upgrade. Otherwise, order the program (only $22 from MacConnection, for example - (800) 800-2222). The mail order price is comparable to a shareware price. I bought it; I love it; it astonishes my friends (there's LOTS more than just toasters :-) ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 15 Feb 91 23:10:03 PST From: PUGH%CCV.ESNET@ccc.nersc.gov Subject: A Laserwriter Drawing Question I'm doing some drawing in a program and I use XOR a lot to draw text on top of white & black rectangles. Unfortunately Tech Note #72 (and experience) tells me that XOR doesn't work on the Laserwriter. I was wondering if anyone knows a Laserwriter compliant technique for drawing text black on white and white on black. The only thing I can think of is to set up clip rectangles and change the drawing color to draw the text twice. Darned ugly. Any other ideas? Jon ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 17 Feb 91 09:41:51 +0200 From: Doron Eren <COEREN%WEIZMANN.BITNET@forsythe.stanford.edu> Subject: Color control Hi there! While working on my new Mac IIsi I found that for some applications color is both unnecessary and very bad for performance. My question: Is there some init/cdev which will allow to link an application with a specified screen depth (i.e. 1 bit for word processors, 8 for graphics, etc.?)? If not, can one of you out there write one? Thanks.............Doron ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 15 Feb 1991 17:05:12 -0600 From: jln@casbah.acns.nwu.edu (John Norstad) Subject: Compact Pro and BinHex Graeme Forbes writes: >It seems that the reason Compact Pro can't decode binhex files which >Stuffit can handle is that it doesn't know what to do with the header >information. In other words, if you strip the header so that the first >line of the file is "(This file must be...." Compact Pro will then >decode it. > >But of course, having to do this completely eliminates Compact Pro's >speed advantage over Stuffit. Bill Goodman, the author of Compact Pro, admits this was a mistake. He has promised to fix it in the next release. I don't know when that will be. It's too bad, because if it weren't for this one flaw Compact Pro would be nearly perfect (for what it was designe to be, at least). John Norstad Academic Computing and Network Services Northwestern University jln@casbah.acns.nwu.edu ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 15 Feb 91 19:35 EST From: <BELSLEY%BCVMS.BITNET@forsythe.stanford.edu> (DAVID A. BELSLEY) Subject: Compact Pro and Binhex A recent message notes that the current version of Compact Pro fails to deal with header information in doing Binhex translations. I discovered this early on and, in reporting it to the author of Compact Pro, found out that I was about the one hundredth in line. Bill Goodman explains that his original version had a filter for header information that keyed on the (This file must be converted with Binhex 4.0) line. Several of his beta testers complained that this made it unworkable with files that had no such line, and so he removed the filter from the first-released version. He now realizes that this solution is by no means the best, so count on a new release that has an appropriately smart header filter. david a. belsley boston college ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 15 Feb 91 22:31:25 EST From: abboud%cuavax.dnet@netcon.cua.edu (Hisham) Subject: Dimming the screen thru software Hi netters, In the Dimwit module of Pyro!, the screen gets slowly dimmed. The manual says "Dimwit requires that all online monitors have a software accessible brightness setting; generally Mac II monitors do.." I need to present a picture on the screen instantaneously, and I am currently messing around with the Color Manager (CLUT stuff), but 24 bit cards do not have a CLUT, and thus my method doesn't work in 24 bit mode. Anyone knows (or have *any* idea) how Pyro! does this "software brightness" control? Thanks for any help you may provide. Hisham. Bitnet: ABBOUD@CUA Internet: ABBOUD%CUAVAX.DNET@NETCON.CUA.EDU ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 15 Feb 91 14:50:15 est From: Dave Bursik x4497 <djb@ctc.contel.com> Subject: Disk I/O speed on a IIsi: CURED Dick Kalagher (kalagher@mwunix.mitre.org) wrote wondering about slow disk I/O on a IIsi. I experienced the same problem and was able to point him to a solution. It turns out we both bought our IIsi systems from the same dealer (Computer Age, a Washington, D.C. area Apple retailer). Computer Age sells Quantum disk drives with their own software (they adver- tise in the back of MacUser as "CAi") and the drives that came with our systems both had old versions of the disk driver software. Returning to the store and explaining the symptoms got me a later version of their "HD Prepare" disk preparation floppy. Running the initialization utility and selecting the "update driver" action followed by a reinstall of the System and Finder cured the problem. The Speedometer Disk rating went from 0.34 to 3.97 (a factor of 10 if the ratings are linear). So, if you're experiencing slow disk I/O on a IIsi with a Quantum disk from Computer Age (CAi) [or any other 3rd-party source, for that matter], you may want to check back with the dealer for an update to the disk driver software. DISCLAIMER: Despite this problem, I am completely happy with the CAi Quantum disks I have purchased from Computer Age (the 105MB LPS in my IIsi and the external 80MB drive I already had on my Plus). The disks are fast and reliable, and the prices offered by Computer Age are competitive. I am in no way connected with Computer Age except as a happy (though slightly inconvenienced) customer. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 15 Feb 1991 13:20:52 PST From: Carl_A._Steinhilber.osbu_south@xerox.com Subject: Flame on Shareware After reading Karl's impassioned plea (or, rather, disenvowment) and Mark Clark's response about Shareware contributions... I began thinking. We all download shareware. Most of the time, we think it's cool, and it keeps us interested for a short time... then it goes onto a floppy to be thrown into a corner to collect dust and be all but forgotten (probably before it's ever considered to be worthy of a fee). But I'm reminded that this month is the ONE YEAR anniversary of when my conscience got the better of me. I decided that, yes, there were about five pieces of shareware (1 utility, 2 inits, 1 XCMD, and 1 game) that I felt I used over and over... that made my life simpler or more enjoyable... and that warranted the fee that the author was requesting. I even submitted a bug-report with one of the inits to try to do my part to make sure it survived as a useful tool. And, to this day, I've gotten ne'er a response... forgetting for a moment that some of the authors said they'd send me "a disk with the latest version" or "source code"... I didn't even get a note saying they'd received my payment. I don't attest that this happens the majority of the time.... but I'm 0 for 5. It seems that Shareware needs to be a two-way street. The users will support the developers if the developers support the users. By the same token... Mark... did you think to write to Karl and tell him what you thought of TeachTextMaker... or how you thought it could be made better? Carl ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 17 Feb 91 14:23:36 GMT From: s57783@zeus.usq.edu.au (chapman alan) Subject: Games on IIsi Hi Netters, I'm having trouble getting most old games like Rogue, Fokker Triplane, MacGolf that ran on my '87 vintage SE to work on my IIsi. They either bomb, hang, or run OK but the graphics are all screwed up. I realise game manufacturers tend to push the hardware to the limit, and this almost guarantees incompatibility with future hardware. Has anyone out there come up with a solution, or is it simply not possible to get them to work? Please send any ideas to s57783@zeus.usq.edu.au Thanks in advance... Alan Chapman ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 15 Feb 91 15:21:16 EST From: cohen@excalibur.itd.nrl.navy.mil (Neil Cohen) Subject: Inter-Process(or) communications Hello, I'm posting this question for a friend who has no net access. Please respond via email to me. I'll summarize if people are interested. The situation is this: There is a program running on a Mac II which needs to exchange data with another program running on a Sun workstation. It seems to be possible to install MACTCP on the Mac and write some code to open a socket to the U*ix machine and send/receive packets. 2 questions: 1) Is there a library around that implements the 'connect', 'listen', 'accept' etc. routines on the Mac side? (they are using THINK C 4.0) Or does one have to use the MACTCP packet structures and just fill in the parameter blocks and call the MACTCP routines? 2) Is there a package (either PD or commercial) that has a programming interface from Appletalk that would allow one to open a unix socket? I assume TOPS does this - is there a programmers interface that is available? I gather that the current plan is to write code to call MACTCP routines directly from the program on the MAC. Email to: nbc@excalibur.itd.nrl.navy.mil Thanks in advance, nbc ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 16 Feb 91 23:34:38 EST From: Churn_Hway_Wang@um.cc.umich.edu Subject: Medical image processing software I am looking for medical image processing software for Mac II's preferrably fx. Please send information directly to me. I'll post a summary if other people are interested. Thanks. ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 16 Feb 91 09:50:53 GMT From: Michael Everson <MEVERC95%IRLEARN.BITNET@forsythe.stanford.edu> Subject: MiniWRITER and 6.0.5 We've been running 6.0.5 Danish, Spanish, International, German, and an under-development Irish and have never had any problems with the miniWRITER. We've got miniWRITER 1.6 21Dec89. We do open it with Suitcase. There is one thing that disturbs me. The version of the miniWRITER available in the info-mac archives comes with a text doc which says that the miniWRITER is distribud with "a desk accessory 'suitcase' file, a font 'suitcase' file, two templates (TEXT documents), an appendix describing the details of ImageWriter printing, and [the] documentation." But the version available in the archives has only the DA and the documentation. I've been looking for the full version a while now; I'll post it if I can find it. Michael Everson ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 16 Feb 91 12:04:02 EST From: Murph Sewall <SEWALL%UCONNVM.BITNET@forsythe.stanford.edu> Subject: naming devices on appletalk On Fri, 15 Feb 91 01:25:50 EST you said: >I seem to remember a little application called TheNamer that would assign >names to the printers on an appletalk network. Does anyone know where I can >get a copy? The Namer (version 2.1) is supplied on the disks that come with Apple LaserWriters (I'd guess those disks are around your network site somewhere :-) ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 17 Feb 1991 09:55:46 +0100 From: stricker@pyl.unibe.ch Subject: Pembroke font; Font downloading Dear Mac netters, I am looking for someone who can tell me, where I can get the Postscript font Pembroke. A friend of mine wants to print some postscript files on a LaserWriter and has used Pembroke on his Acorn Archimedes machine. The question now is that we do not have this font installed on one of our machines and I do not know how to download a font onto the Apple LaserWriter. Can anybody help me in solving this minor problem? Is Pembroke on any of the public domain servers? I looked at sumex and could not find it. Any comment, clue or hint is greatly appreciated. Please send them directly to me. Thank you and all the best Christian. Chr. Stricker, Dept of Physiol, Buehlplatz 5, CH-3012 Bern; STRICKER@PYL.UNIBE.CH ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 16 Feb 91 18:28 N From: <WISMER%CFRUNI51.BITNET@forsythe.stanford.edu> Subject: Please post some desperately needed files Hi, I have a couple of questions. 1) A few weeks ago there was the question, if someone could post Choosy (an extension to QuicKeys 2). Could please someone feel pity for the netters not having access to commercial services and put the complete update package on the server? 2) While I am at it: Is it possible to post the MacUser Index they mention in their February issue? I feel lost everytime I try to search for a tip or report. 3) I started to work with TCL of Think Pascal 3. Because classes for working with dialogs are missing, I have been reminded of Dialog 1.0 by Bill Stackhouse. Has he made a version adapted to TCL? Other sources? 4) Where could I get additional classes for enhancing the TCL? As mentioned I can access neither CompuServe nor the Symantec BBS (408-973-9598). 5) Does an updated ftp-list exist? 6) I have bought the 25MHz SE accelerator from MacProducts. It does speed up work quite a bit, but I had a few strange crashes. The sound isn't perfect either. It came with an init from Novy. Does somebody have the latest version of this init which may fix some problems? Please excuse my English. Be assured that my Swiss German is much better Dan Wismer ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 15 Feb 91 23:40 EST From: LLEDUC%LAUVAX01.BITNET@forsythe.stanford.edu Subject: Printing Problems Hello Netters, I'm having problems printing archived screens and echoing to an HP DeskWiter when working with White Knight 11.0. Does anyone know the solution to my problem? In addition, does anyone know how to get in touch with the author (Scott Watson) on the network? Thanks for your help. Leo G. Leduc Laurentian University CANADA ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 16 Feb 91 10:45:34 PLT From: Paul Brians <HRC$04@wsuvm1.csc.wsu.edu> Subject: Quote-INIT Quote-INIT and its like can be handy, but remember to turn it off in programs that don't like curly quotation marks. Two good examples are FileMaker, where the straight quotation marks act as a ditto sign to copy the contents of a field from one entry to another and quote-INIT foils the process, and simple text processors where your intent is to create e-mail for posting. Mainframes don't understand Mac curly quotes and apostrophes. Note the plethora of possessives that look like this (including one I absent-mindedly posted the other day): JohnUs problem is worse since his catUs vomit fried his motherboard. Those extra U's are replacements for curly apostrophes. I just turn on smart quotes in those programs that allow them, like Word, and do them manually elsewhere. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 15 Feb 91 14:34:47 CST From: Christopher Owens <owens@gargoyle.uchicago.edu> Subject: Seek info-macl-request address Could someone please post or email the address to which I send mail in order to be added to the info-macl mailing list (for Macintosh Allegro Common Lisp)? thanks ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 15 Feb 1991 12:55:34 PST From: Carl_A._Steinhilber.osbu_south@xerox.com Subject: Standardizing Documentation It would seem to me that standardizing the stand-alone documentation of software is not the issue. TeachText files, which, while not being TRUE stand-alones, are a format that everyone can read by way of the simple fact that everyone has TeachText from their systems disks. DocMaker, if it's the utility I'm thinking of, produces stand-alone documents... again, everyone can open them and read them because if this fact. What gets ME is when I get a docs file in Word 4.0 format (or worse yet, some OTHER format from some strange little WP nobody's ever heard of). I don't LIKE Word... and don't want to BUY Word... and as of yet, I've found no other WP that will convert this rather new format. I end up, running it through a filter and placing the file into PageMaker just to read it. Seems like a rather lengthy and involved process just to read a doc. I would say that, if a developer doesn't want to use DocMaker, or Doctor... or one of the other self-contained stand-alone document creators... save the docs in `Text-only ' format. It's a format that all the WPs seem to be able to read. It won't come out looking as nice... but that's better than not coming out at all... at least >From a users point-of-view. Carl ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 16 Feb 91 10:23:12 GMT From: Michael Everson <MEVERC95%IRLEARN.BITNET@forsythe.stanford.edu> Subject: Standard ReadMe files for the Mac It seems that the least a person could do is include TWO files with their posting. WonderApp.readme WonderApp.reademetxt All our favourite wordprocessors have a Save As TEXT feature, do they not? Sure, you lose the graphics and cute fonts (and I love 'em too) but there are times I want to check the docs on the fly just for the text content. (Quill does this but I sure wish it had keyboard commands to open docs like miniWRITER does.) Note by the way that the examples I have given above do NOT read ReadMe.WonderApp This is so I can find everything that belongs to a given download by sorting by name. Of course, it would be even MORE convenient if posters would post things inside WonderApp Folders!! :) Michael Everson ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 15 Feb 1991 15:09:06 EST From: "Bret Ingerman 315-443-1114" <INGERMAN%SUVM.BITNET@forsythe.stanford.edu> Subject: Startup Order of Applications Peter Jorgensen recently replied with how to change the names of your applications to start in a particular order. He said that he uses "option-space (since the finder wont take a space." Well, it is possible to put a regular space as the first character. All you have to do is type any letter as the first character, then type your spaces, then delete the first character. This then gives you the option of having space, and option- space, stack in a different order. Bret Ingerman ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 16 Feb 91 21:46:37 GMT From: Michael Everson <MEVERC95%IRLEARN.BITNET@forsythe.stanford.edu> Subject: SuperDrive Upgrade query I don't seem to remember reading any comments on this one. The Macs: one SE and one SE upgraded to SE/30 The need: SuperDrive upgrades The query: Are they only available from Apple, or are there reliable third-party upgrades too? Is all one needs the Drive or are there extra chips or other nasties that have to be got too? Thanks, Michael Everson ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 15 Feb 91 23:16:14 EST From: abboud%cuavax.dnet@netcon.cua.edu (Hisham) Subject: TeachText (Maker) > ...did you buy and learn that fancy word processor for anyhow? That is > why I strongly favour a system by which writers can use their word > processor of choice, but the rest of us have a guaranteed, reliable > way of reading and printing the file. Come on Apple. Help us here... How about having your favorite word processor capable of saving the document in TeachText format? Kinda makes sense to me. Hisham. Bitnet: ABBOUD@CUA Internet: ABBOUD%CUAVAX.DNET@NETCON.CUA.EDU ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 17 Feb 91 13:50 CST From: Stark Raving <TRIMPERG%LAWRENCE.BITNET@forsythe.stanford.edu> Subject: The Namer Larry Pickett <C4898%UMSLVMA.bitnet@umrvmb.umr.edu> writes: >Has anyoneelse heard that Apple is trying to force its k-12 >distributers to be Apple only shops? Didn't they try this before? True. And for the colleges as well. This really is NOT good for places such as the small college here, where the closest Apple- only dealer is 100 miles away... So much for regular service.... Greg Trimper Here@There.Everywhere ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 16 Feb 91 12:30:29 PLT From: Paul Brians <HRC$04@wsuvm1.csc.wsu.edu> Subject: TogSnd vs. Set Sound TogSnd looks nice, but I can't imagine why anyone would prefer this more complex FKEY approach to setting speaker volume levels when the old (1985) SetSound DA is smaller, simpler, faster, and still works, even on my SI running System 6.07. ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 16 Feb 91 22:07:54 -0500 (EST) From: "Gregory S. Fox" <gf0c+@andrew.cmu.edu> Subject: Vision Lab info? I'm looking for a pointer to the latest version of John Raymond's Vision Lab software for the Mac. [The version I have is .67, but I thought v1.0 might be available]. An FTP site would be great. Also, if anyone knows the author &/| how I can contact him, that would be great, too. Thanks, --Greg ------------------------------ Date: 15 Feb 91 20:14:00 EDT From: "Charles E. Bouldin" <bouldin@sed.ceee.nist.gov> Subject: What Program Called Me? This sounds arcane, but: I am porting a fortran program to the Mac and I need to emulate a VAX capability wherein a subroutine knows the NAME of the program that called it. This is not frivolous, it is used to make up a filename of the form PROGRAM.txt for an output file to tag where it came from. Is there a way to do this on the Mac? Since this is a pretty nice "inside mac" question, I will repost solutions, if I get any... ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 15 Feb 91 15:02:16 -0700 From: con_mdp@selway.umt.edu (Michael D. Post) Hi net! Thanx for those who replied to my mail-order hard disk question. The overwhelming response was to go with APS, and we have done so with good results. Says alot about a company if the entire Mac community responds favorably to it... I'm trying to find an old backup program called HFSBackup that was shipped on a Jasmine hard disk I worked on several years ago. Does anyone know of the whereabouts of this? Or another Share/Freeware backup utility? I have HDBackup, but it's too limited for my purposes. I am lacking funds at this time to buy something commercial (what I'd REALLY like is SUM II, but I'll have to wait). So if anyone can point me towards one, I'd appreciate it. Thanx! Mike Post CON_MDP@SELWAY.UMT.EDU ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 17 FEB 91 10:10:11 GMT From: SCOFFIN%VAX.OXFORD.AC.UK@forsythe.stanford.edu As a quick piece of advice to Peter Jorgensen and others who may have a desire to rename a file in the finder to have a space at the start, e.g. troublesome CDEV/INIT's or as in this case startup APPL's.... Rename the file HyperCard to "x Hypercard" (no quotes !!!) and then select the x and delete it (BS)... This fools the finder into letting you have a space at the front of the name.... Rob Scoffin -- Inorganic Chemistry Laboratory, Oxford --> scoffin@uk.ac.ox.vax ------------------------------ End of Info-Mac Digest ******************************