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Info-Mac Digest Tue, 19 Feb 91 Volume 9 : Issue 44 Today's Topics: [*] DiskTop 4.0->4.0.1 Updater [*] Video_Poker [*] YAADM! (Yet Another After Dark Module!) 2 monitors, 1 accelerator? Automated Macintosh software testing tool bitnet file servers Casio BOSS control stack.. Does it Exist? cdevs to original settings CheckList Color-saving Telnet DNS on AU/X? Fish! module upgrade Flame on Shareware Info-LabVIEW mailing list is alive! Info-Mac Digest V9 #41 Info-Mac Digest V9 #43 internal terminations Mac Spare Parts MaraThon 020 Problems NCSA telnet quotes SIMMs and LaserWriter Plus Stuffit 1.5 with A/UX (2 msgs) WARNING: Mac IIfx and internal drives. Where is SoftStyle? The Info-Mac newsgroup is moderated by Bill Lipa, Lance Nakata, and Jon Pugh. The Info-Mac archives are available (by using FTP, account anonymous, any password) in the info-mac directory on sumex-aim.stanford.edu [36.44.0.6]. Help files and indices are in /info-mac/help. Please send articles and binaries to info-mac@sumex-aim.stanford.edu. Send administrative mail to info-mac-request@sumex-aim.stanford.edu. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Thu, 14 Feb 91 21:45:48 EST From: perez@andromeda.rutgers.edu (William Perez) Subject: [*] DiskTop 4.0->4.0.1 Updater Use this updater if you have DiskTop 4.0 and are running system 6.0.7. Included is the updater program, CE Toolbox 1.5.1i and a description file. Does not update versions before 4.0. Put out by CE Software. Enjoy! This is a Stuffit Deluxe archive. Use Stuffit Classic (1.6)/UnStuffit Deluxe, etc. after un-BinHex-ing to decompress it. [Archived as /info-mac/util/disktop-401-updater.hqx; 78K] ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 14 Feb 91 11:35:55 EST From: don@nova.npac.syr.edu (Don Hewitt) Subject: [*] Video_Poker This is the latest version of Video Poker! A hypercard game based on the popular casino machines. I originally submitted this game to the archives a couple months ago and have gotten many responses on how to improve it and just from people out there that like it! Here are the new features to version 1.0.3 of the Video Poker Game: - COLOR support! - A volume control so there is no need to use the control panel. - A "stats" button which indicates how much you have lost in a particular session of playing. - Multiple bankrolls! - A "return on the dollar" field which is continually updated to show what the return one can expect on these machines. - More realistic payoff odds (lowered a bit to now match what you might actually find in a Casino) - An idle timeout of the game so that your screensavers can kick in. - Additional sounds. [Archived as /info-mac/game/video-poker-103.hqx; 338K] ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 15 Feb 91 21:06:39 +0100 From: pooh 'Ernst' Mulder <rcbaem@urc.tue.nl> Subject: [*] YAADM! (Yet Another After Dark Module!) This is a screensaver I wrote for the Apple // back in the old days. Now something beautiful like After Dark exists, I decided to rewrite the code resulting in this After Dark module. It phase-shifts a plot of the function: x = cos (w1 * omega + f1) * cos (w2 * omega + f2) y = cos (w3 * omega + f3) * cos (w4 * omega + f4) pooh rcbaem@urc.tue.nl [Archived as /info-mac/util/after-dark-yaadm.hqx; 20K] ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 19 Feb 91 12:56 EST From: "Mark Nutter, Apple Support" <MANUTTER%IUP.BITNET@forsythe.stanford.edu> Subject: 2 monitors, 1 accelerator? A faculty member here is looking at getting a graphics accelerator, and he has some questions I can't answer. 1) If you have 2 monitors (and video cards) and install one graphics coprocessor, will both monitors speed up? Will they even work together? 2) Are there any notable problems/incompatibilities with existing software (especially Microsoft programs)? 3) Is the Apple 8.24GC worth the extra money, or would a 3rd party accelerator do just as well? Thanks for any help you can give. Mark Nutter (MANUTTER@IUP) ------------------------------ Date: 19 Feb 91 8:38 -0800 From: Mark Alldritt <Mark.Alldritt@vancouver.osiware.bc.ca> Subject: Automated Macintosh software testing tool Hello, I am looking for a tool for automating the testing of Macintosh software. I work with VAX/VMS systems where tools like Digital's DECtest Manager provide facilities for testing windowed (DECwindows) software, and I'm looking for something similar. Specifically, I'm looking for a tool that can record a series of actions or events, and the results of these events. Then, I want to replay these actions and compare the results of the replayed actions with the original results, thus revealing any differences between the two runs. I have considered developing macros for testing using AutoMac or some similar tool, but these tools don't allow me to automate the comparison of the results of the test. Any directions to software or ideas would be most welcome. Thanks, -Mark ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 19 Feb 91 08:48:29 EST From: Murph Sewall <SEWALL%UCONNVM.BITNET@forsythe.stanford.edu> Subject: bitnet file servers On Tue, 19 Feb 91 0:26:45 EST you said: >Are there any other bitnet file servers other than Macserve >@Pucc? I would like to find a file server that has many of >the files that are at the FTP site at Stanford (sumex-aim.stanford.edu). The SAME archives are at MACSERVE@IRLEARN (for EARN) and on LISTSERV@RICE They are perhaps a day behind, but otherwise they ARE the files that are at the Stanford FTP site. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 19 Feb 91 05:17:49 -0300 From: U009%cs.cciw.ca@forsythe.stanford.edu Subject: Casio BOSS control stack.. Does it Exist? I recently read of someone who had written or was thinking of writing a stack to control a Casio BOSS handheld. If you know of this stack or application, please let me know. I am interested in the hardware hack to get at the serial data. I have so far determined the link is half duplex, with levels of one polarity for transmit and the other for receive. The signals appear between the tip and ring of the jack. I called quite a few places inside Casio Canada, and was finally told that the communication protocol was proprietary since knowing it would permit someone to get at the 'secret' area within the unit. The RCMP has apparently been asking for the same information and was turned away too (or so I was told!). I suppose they have some units confiscated from drug dealers. Anyhow... being told I couldn't have the protocol just makes me more determined to hack the thing on my own. I don't want to pay the $129 cdn for a cable and a piece of software I could do up myself. (If you could persuade me that the package is worth $129, I would buy it.) Thanks in advance. Stu Beal, VE3MWM, (U009@CS.CCIW.CA) ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 19 Feb 91 08:32:04 -0600 From: klefstad@uiuc.edu (Sue Klefstad) Subject: cdevs to original settings Has anyone heard of an init that will note the settings of cdevs and restore those settings on startup? For our network, we need to have the EtherTalk Network cdev selected on startup, but many people switch it over after startup to the Built-in for using their LaserWriters. I'd like something to make sure EtherTalk is selected on startup. Thanks! ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 17 Feb 91 15:10 MST From: JBPowlesland%UNCAMULT.BITNET@forsythe.stanford.edu Subject: CheckList re: your last inquiry about CheckList. CheckList 1.0 is a shareware product from Elsewhere Corp., 713 NE Northlake Way, Seattle, WA 98105-6429 (206) 547-9623. If you register for version 1.0 (and pay the $45 registration fee), you will be able to upgrade to version 2.0 for $50 (a savings of $84.95). I've used CheckList 1.0 with PageMaker and found it quite handy before taking a file to a service bureau for printing (the bureau may not have one of the downloadable fonts you have used). They haven't sent me notice that version 2.0 is available yet. I got my copy of version 1.0 by writing the above address. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 19 Feb 91 10:52:00 EST From: djb@ctc.contel.com (Dave Bursik x4497) Subject: Color-saving Telnet For what it's worth, I'm running NCSA Telnet 2.3.1 (w/BYU extensions) with MacTCP on a Mac IIx running System 6.0.3. If I set the window colors and use the "Save Set..." menu command, I can double-click the resulting file and come up with the same set of connections, window colors, etc. that I saved. It also works if I use the "Load Set..." command. Perhaps it's just the particular environment I'm using, but I've never encountered a problem with saving colors in Telnet 2.3.x (I've tested this with both the "vanilla" 2.3 and the BYU versions [both MacTCP]). =djb= ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 19 Feb 1991 09:38:50 PST From: nethery.PARC@xerox.com Subject: DNS on AU/X? Date 2/19/91 Subject DNS on AU/X? >From Kee Nethery To info-mac Reply to: DNS on AU/X? Has anyone successfully installed internet Domain Name Service on AU/X? If yes, do you recommend it or suffer with it or discourage it? Reply to me and I'll summarize to the net. Thanks. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 19 Feb 91 19:07:27 EST From: jeteye@cbl.umd.edu (James Love) Subject: Fish! module upgrade On Fri, 15 Feb 91 14:15:12 EST you said: >>I am trying to locate the modules for the AfterDark screensaver >>which show "flying toasters" and also "fishes". I have looked through >>the ones available on sumex-aim.stanford.edu but to no avail. Murph Sewall <SEWALL%UCONNVM.BITNET@forsythe.stanford.edu> responds: >Those modules are included with version 2.0. If you are a registered owner >of an earlier version, contact Berkeley Systems about an upgrade. Otherwise, >order the program (only $22 from MacConnection, for example - (800) 800-2222). >The mail order price is comparable to a shareware price. I bought it; I >love it; it astonishes my friends (there's LOTS more than just toasters :-) Then, once you've become a registered owner, rush $19.95 to the following address to receive an updated version (3.0) of the Fish! module that includes: 1) An overlay/mask editor so you can customize any of the swimming critters; 2) Several new species of fish and other assorted denizens of the deep [a mermaid, scuba-diver, even a rather forlorn looking fellow sporting "cement overshoes" - evidently sent to swim with the fishes !!]; and 3) A host of "seasonal fish" that have to be seen to be believed - Valentine's Fish, St Patty's Fish, Christmas Fish, etc. [you get the picture]. All this with extensive on-line help to boot. Truly a wonder ..... Rush your $$ to: Tom and Ed's Bogus Software! "AfterDark Special Offer" 15600 NE 8th Street Suite A3334 Bellevue, WA 98008 Who needs a real aquarium when these fish never need feeding or care !! P.S. Where can I buy a "Macintosh Jr.", "The computer with the power to crush the other kids ...." :-) [Saturday Night Live - 2/16/91] ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 19 Feb 91 08:44:33 EST From: Murph Sewall <SEWALL%UCONNVM.BITNET@forsythe.stanford.edu> Subject: Flame on Shareware On Fri, 15 Feb 1991 13:20:52 PST you said: >And, to this day, I've gotten ne'er a response... forgetting for a moment that >some of the authors said they'd send me "a disk with the latest version" or >"source code"... I didn't even get a note saying they'd received my payment. I've had quite the opposite response. If my check's been cashed, I've heard from the author as well as the bank. On one occasion, I heard by email (I always include my Internet address with a payment). I've received disks (usually a newer version) and printed docs from everyone who promised them (four as I recall) and some sort of acknowledgement from all the others (including, where applicable, the promised codes to make the "have you registered yet?" screens go away). ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 19 Feb 91 12:01:45 EST From: Tom Coradeschi <tcora@pica.army.mil> Subject: Info-LabVIEW mailing list is alive! This message serves to announce the creation of an Internet Mailing List for the discussion of the use of National Instruments' LabVIEW package for the Apple Macintosh. ===================== LabVIEW is a graphical software sytem for developing high-performance scientific and engineering applications. LabVIEW acquires data from IEEE-488 (GPIB), RS-232/422 and modular (VXI or CAMAC) instruments and plug-in data acquisition boards. LabVIEW programs, called "virtual instruments" (VIs), are created using icons, instead of conventional, text-based code. A VI consists of a front panel and a block diagram. The front panel (with knobs, switches, graphs, and so on) is the user interface. The block diagram, which is the executable code, consists of icons that operate on data connected by wires that pass data between them. [I swiped this description from National Instruments' promotional blurbs] ===================== The list will be run as a simple redistribution of all submitted messages, so any note you post will be seen by others just as soon as the mail system can get it out to them. I will serve as a list maintainer, NOT a moderator, and will concern myself primarily with returned mail, etc. I am not a particularly experienced user of LabVIEW, and hope to learn as much from the discussions here as you probably do, so please don't post direct to me with technical questions. To post to the list, send your mail to <info-labview@pica.army.mil>. All administrative issues should go to <info-labview-request@pica.army.mil>. In order to provide widest dissemination, this message is being posted to: info-mac digest comp.sys.mac.announce comp.sys.mac.apps comp.sys.mac.comm comp.sys.mac.games comp.sys.mac.hardware comp.sys.mac.hypercard comp.sys.mac.misc comp.sys.mac.programmer comp.sys.mac.system comp.sys.mac.wanted comp.protocols.appletalk comp.unix.aux Please forward it to those other locations where it would be appropriate. Tom Coradeschi <tcora@pica.army.mil> Info-LabVIEW list maintainer ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 19 Feb 91 17:06:15 est From: Kurt Baumann <kdb@intercon.com> Subject: Info-Mac Digest V9 #41 RE: TCPort You are going to have to get some commercial package (telnet) that runs with TCPort. MacTCP and the builtin NCSA drivers will not coexsist with TCPort. The only commercial package that I know of that supports TCPort is Novells HostAccess. Kurt Baumann InterCon Systems Corporation ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 19 Feb 91 17:11:47 est From: Kurt Baumann <kdb@intercon.com> Subject: Info-Mac Digest V9 #43 RE: NCSA and text capture. You need to go modify the config.tel file. There is a variable that you can up for the number of lines that are "saved". Kurt Baumann InterCon Systems Corporation ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 19 Feb 1991 09:45:17 PST From: nethery.PARC@xerox.com Subject: internal terminations >From what I've seen in my extremely limited experience, ALL internal Apple hard drives have resistor network terminators installed on them. To move an internal drive to an external case it is very wise to remove the terminators off the drive and to use an external terminator. From what I've seen, you can just unplug the three resistor network SIPs to de-terminate the hard drive. Kee Nethery Institute for Research on Learning nethery.parc@xerox.com ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 19 Feb 91 10:42 N From: <VJAL2314%DS0RUS54.BITNET@forsythe.stanford.edu> Subject: Mac Spare Parts SUBJECT: Mac Spare Parts In Digest Vol. 9, # 19, I asked about the availability of replacement motherboards and described problems with my SE serial ports. Since THAT problem is out by now, I would like to summarize the responses I got. 1.) Hardware Tips On the serial ports, I got two ideas: > I had a problem with the serial port on my Mac 512KE (was a 128K). In my > case, the data would go one direction, but not the other. I replaced one > of the port driver chips (14 or 16 pin dip) and it works fine now. An > unrelated problem also caused fits for a while. I ended up fixing that > by tying the unused (for RS232 applications) receive+ pin to ground. It > appeared that the signal coming in on the receive- pin was somehow coupled > to the recieve+ pin, and RS424 being differential didn't detect any incoming > data (both receive pins stayed at the same voltage relative to each other). > One of the Inside Macintosh books has a block diagram of the serial ports, > and will be helpful in pointing you to the circuitry that controls the > serial ports. > Since BOTH of your ports are misbehaving, I'd suspect the power > supply before the motherboard. If the voltage at the port is 'dirty', this > would cause the symptoms you describe. If you know anyone with an > oscilloscope you can borrow, take a look at the levels on the ports, and > I bet you'll see some noise. Just wanted to suggest this to avoid the > grief of replacing the wrong board. 2.) DeskWriter Problems: There seems to be a known bug with newer versions of the DeskWriter printer. (Well, at least the bug is known to Apple and HP.) The point is that if you have an AppleTalk capable DeskWriter and use it in serial mode, the Mac's serial ports may go fail over time. So the rule is: is you have an AppleTalk DeskWriter, only use it in AppleTalk mode and with AppleTalk cabling. 3.) Spare Parts: I received several recommendations for this company: Pre-Owned Electronics Inc., 30 Clematus Avenue, Waltham, MA 02154, USA 800-274-5343 (USA) 617-891-6851 (Intl.) 617-891-3556 (Fax) The SE Motherboard sells for $525, other places seem have even higher prices. An EXCHANGE board goes for $450. Official Apple price for an exchange board is in Germany 595 DM (ca. 396 US$), so in this case, the 'Apple Way' is cheaper. 4.) Summary: Having an old DeskWriter and no guts to mess with an SE motherboard, and considering prices, I took the SE to the local dealer. After several (!) attempts, they were able to install a working new motherboard - and the serial ports are back ! (Unfortunately, the saga continues, see my other postings). Thank you, everybody, for your help & tips. Frank ___Frank Pohlemann - BITNET/PROFS/JNET: vjal2314@ds0rus54.earn___ ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 19 Feb 91 10:43 N From: <VJAL2314%DS0RUS54.BITNET@forsythe.stanford.edu> Subject: MaraThon 020 Problems SUBJECT: Marathon 020 Problems Is anyone out there using a Dove Marathon 020 board (formerly: Mach II SE) with 1 MB on the Mac and 4 MB on the 020 board ? Any problems to get the board to boot ? I have been using this board for over 2 years with 0 RAM on the board itself, and it worked fine. However, sometimes the board would not come up if the Mac was switched on and off several times in a row. I am using the Marathon 020 software version 1.1. Since I received a new (DIP SIMM) Motherboard and changed to the above mentioned 1 MB / 4 MB configuration, the board would be recognized only very sporadically at start time. Hence I only have 1 MB available in 68000 mode. Ironically, the board WILL come up only after heavy cursing and when I REALLY fed up with wasting another half day ... Once it is working, however, the accelerator works like a CHARM (even after machine restarts). Suggestions ? (Maybe someone from Dove Computer Corp. is reading this ...) ___Frank Pohlemann - BITNET/PROFS/JNET: vjal2314@ds0rus54.earn___ ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 19 Feb 91 11:15:07 CST From: hirchert@ncsa.uiuc.edu (Kurt Hirchert) Subject: NCSA telnet In Info-Mac Digest V9 #43 you write: >Is there a way to capture long text files using NCSA telnet (via kermit or >direct capture)?? > >I recently found a computing center on campus where a number of Macintoshes >had direct links to the school's unix system. I can logon to the system >using NCSA telnet. It seems, however, that NCSA only holds approximately >2 or 3 pages of text in memory until it scrolls by. It would be ideal if >I could use kermit or a direct capture (since it's a direct connection, >there is no such thing as line noise) to get binhex files onto floppy. This >would save a great deal of time as I usually logon from home at 2400 baud. >That way I could just come into the computer center, pop in a floppy, and >get all the recent mac stuff. Although it is possible to increase the size of the scrollback buffer (click the Configure button in the Open Connection... dialog), it is normally much simpler to just FTP the file from your Unix system to a Mac running NCSA Telnet. Look for Send FTP Command in the Network menu. You may also want to use Set Transfer Directory... in File menu. If you have further questions about this, please feel free to contact me directly. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 19 Feb 91 11:06:53 est From: Rocky Olive <olive@apxtg03.apex.dg.com> Subject: quotes This is more out of curiosity than anything, but can anyone explain why some folks' messages have a "U" instead of a "'"??? For example, one message I saw, the word "John's" came out "JohnUs". Is because they are using a character above ASCII 127? Does this get generated on Mac's (as opposed to a terminal connected to a "ewe-niks" machine? Thanks for any help! - Rocky Olive, Data General Corporation, Apex, NC ------------------------------ Date: 19 Feb 91 12:40:04 From: Robert.H.Gross@mac.dartmouth.edu Subject: SIMMs and LaserWriter Plus Does anyone know if my old 256K SIMMs (which were replaced by 1 mB SIMMs in my Mac II) can be used in a LaserWriter Plus? It probably would allow me to print documents with more fonts. Are there differences between the Mac SIMMs and the LaserWriter Plus SIMMs? Can I install it myself? [I have put my own SIMMs in various Macs from the Plus to IIci, so I have some experience - they all worked fine.:)] A casual glance inside the LW did not reveal any obvious SIMMs to me. - Bob Gross bob.gross@dartmouth.edu ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 19 Feb 91 08:50:08 EST From: Murph Sewall <SEWALL%UCONNVM.BITNET@forsythe.stanford.edu> Subject: Stuffit 1.5 with A/UX On Mon, 18 Feb 91 14:48:11 LCL you said: >When I try to run Stuffit 1.5 under A/UX 2.0 with System 6.0.5, I get the >message "The file 'Stuffit 1.5' could not be opened/printed (the application >is not compatible with the running System). Suggestions? Possibly (probably?) StuffIT 1.5 isn't 32-bit clean. Have you tried StuffIT Classic (in the archives)? I'd hope the newer version hasn't the problem. Also, try Compact Pro (reads StuffIT 1.5 archives). ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 19 Feb 91 06:30:20 -0800 From: Brian Bechtel <blob@apple.com> Subject: Stuffit 1.5 with A/UX In comp.sys.mac.digest you write: >When I try to run Stuffit 1.5 under A/UX 2.0 with System 6.0.5, I get the >message "The file 'Stuffit 1.5' could not be opened/printed (the application >is not compatible with the running System). Suggestions? Stuffit 1.5.1 works fine under A/UX 2.0. It gives the standard message "The application 'Stuffit 1.5.1' is not 32-bit clean; opening it may result in a crash." You can say okay and open it anyway. If you'd like, you can use /mac/bin/setfile to set the 32-bit clean bit and not get that message. As far as I can tell, it really is 32-bit clean. --Brian Bechtel blob@apple.com "My opinion, not Apple's" ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 19 Feb 1991 11:35:03 PST From: Carl_A._Steinhilber.osbu_south@xerox.com Subject: WARNING: Mac IIfx and internal drives. Our lab recently upgraded our old original Mac II to a Mac IIfx. Using the Apple upgrade kit (basically, a whole new motherboard), and the installation of a high-density floppy, the upgrade proved to be, actually, rather economical. HOWEVER, our Mac II originally had a Conner drive in it (from the days when Quantum's >100Meg drives were FAR out of reach). This wreaked absolute havoc on the fx. Apparently the current Conner drives are incompatable with the fx. What eventually happened was, after several, quite intriguing system crashes which evidently tore away the system little-by-little (it didn't happen all at once), we had a COMPLETE drive failure... and all data was lost. After three stints in the tech shop (the techs wouldn't believe the symptoms... and pointed the finger at us... saying we did stupid things with the SCSI, etc.) ... the Conner was replaced with a Quantum... and the fx has run flawlessly ever since. Both Apple and Conner have been advised (at least, the techs in the LA area) of the problem. Conner is taking it "under consideration"... and MAY release a fix (which, by the nature of the problem, would dictate a new control board, or a completely new line of drives). But for the meantime, Apple suggests that you only use Quantum drives in an fx... and I would amplify that suggestion six-hundred fold. Carl ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 19 Feb 91 13:54:46 PST From: Les_Ferch@mtsg.ubc.ca Subject: Where is SoftStyle? Does anyone know what happened to SoftStyle (a division of Phoenix Technologies)? Their number gives a "not in service" message and information can find no listing for SoftStyle in Honolulu. Thanks for any leads. Les_Ferch@mtsg.ubc.ca userlsf@ubcmtsg ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 19 Feb 91 01:40:29 -0900 From: "Joel Sadler" <AXJCS%ALASKA.BITNET@forsythe.stanford.edu> >Does anyone know what to patch to disable the printing of multiple copies >with a single job on an Apple LaserWriter? >The idea is to prevent users from printing hundreds of copies of a single page >by executing a single COMMAND-P from MacWrite or SuperPaint 2.0 >Thanks! > ROSS LONSTEIN > LONSTERE8185@SNYONEVA Yes! A couple of folks at Montclair State College have put together just such an animal. It will only allow users to print 1 copy, per print job. I read about it in the Macintosh Bible, and immediately sent off for it, as our lab up here has a much abused Laserwriter. The person to contact is Rich Wolfson, and his contact address is: U0754@Applelink.apple.com Good Luck! Disclaimer: No affilation, ya da da da. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 19 Feb 91 10:57 EDT From: <PJORGENS%COLGATEU.BITNET@forsythe.stanford.edu> (Peter Jorgensen) Greetings, Thanks to the kind souls who took the time to respond to my plea for help regarding getting HyperCard 2.0 to run on a Human Touched 512KE. It turns out that one must do two things to make HC happy. 1) Install an INIT that fools the system into thinking the Mac has the newer clock chip with more PRAM. (I had tried this earlier in an attempt to get system 6.0.x to run, but then, the problem was lack of SCSI port.) 2) Use system 6.0.5 and NOT GREATER (6.0.7). I'd also like to congratulate Apple for finally (with 6.0.5) writing an Installer that is almost of the quality Mac users expect. Using this installer I was actually able to downgrade my system from 6.0.7 to 6.0.5. It even asked me whether or not to keep the newer system files or replace them with older. It's only problem is it still can't deal with Easy Access. You must remove Easy Access from the system folder before you can Install the "new" system. Just a note for those who are concerned about the "high" prices of Macs. In 1985 I bought my 512K Mac USED with external drive (400K) and ImageWriterI for close to three grand. I put another 500 into an external HD20 (non-SC) a year later, and another close to a thousand into the infamous 2MB Human Touch board. Now I've added a SCSI port for another $100+. Am I upset? H no! I've still got a system that is keeping up with the times, I could put 1MB SIMMs in it and have a 5MB machine. I think of my sister who WAS quite happy with her Leading Edge clone when she got it, but soon ran up against its limits of expandiblity and operating system and is stuck (course now she has an excuse to get a Mac). Sure I'd like a clone priced Mac, but not if I have to sacrifice the qualities that I count on in Macintosh. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 19 Feb 91 08:21:54 -0900 From: "Joel Sadler" <AXJCS%ALASKA.BITNET@forsythe.stanford.edu> Netters, Could some kind soul please post the newest INITInfo? I Believe it is up to 4.3. I know it has been on C$erve for a couple weeks. Thanks! ------------------------------ End of Info-Mac Digest ******************************