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Info-Mac Digest Mon, 1 Apr 91 Volume 9 : Issue 78 Today's Topics: [*] ChangeCursor [*] PopChar 1.4 [*] submission of crab-attack-ii.hqx [*] System Software 7.0 [*] Wallpaper for the Mind v1.1 6.0.7 one last time 7.0b4 help needed re redirection of stdin/stdout apple.com backup programs cheap mac+ accelerators HC Virus and SAM 3.0 IBM Proprinter on a Mac? Mathematica 2.0 PostScript Stuff Problems with MacTCP and System 7.0b4 (as well as othe 7.0b4 problems) request info on cluster analysis Responses to Virtual memory in Sys 7.0 Scott Berfield's address Skipping Stuffing Sort Order & Intl Ctrl Panel Speeding up your Mac... Standardizing documentations System 6.0.7 Tape Backup The Mac Classic System TrueType & 6.0.5 using Sony CD-ROM WordPerfect / Word 4.0 File Translation The Info-Mac newsgroup is moderated by Bill Lipa, Lance Nakata, and Jon Pugh. The Info-Mac archives are available (by using FTP, account anonymous, any password) in the info-mac directory on sumex-aim.stanford.edu [36.44.0.6]. Help files and indices are in /info-mac/help. Please send articles and binaries to info-mac@sumex-aim.stanford.edu. Send administrative mail to info-mac-request@sumex-aim.stanford.edu. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Tue, 19 Mar 91 16:54:45 +0100 From: mattt@cs.umu.se Subject: [*] ChangeCursor Tired of the arrowcursor? Well, here is a little CDEV called ChangeCursor v1.1, that vill fix that! Just choose another cursor in the CDEV:s list and reboot. If you dont like them, add some more or change them with ResEdit. Feel free to send comments (and bugreports...) to me. Happy Macing! [Archived as /info-mac/cdev/change-cursor-11.hqx; 12K] ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 20 Mar 91 09:33:14 SET From: Guenther Blaschek <Blaschek%EDVZ.UNI-Linz.AC.AT@forsythe.stanford.edu> Subject: [*] PopChar 1.4 Here is the latest version of the PopChar cdev. Version 1.4 has an option to "pop" the window below the menu bar (instead of on top of it). Furthermore, It contains a couple of corrections. For example, the window's background is now always erased before the characters are drawn. This should correct a problem with some color monitors. gue -- Guenther Blaschek -- k331671@alijku11.bitnet -- gue@soft.uni-linz.ac.at [Archived as /info-mac/cdev/pop-char-14.hqx; 22K] ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 19 Mar 1991 20:14 CST From: Stark Raving <TRIMPERG%LAWRENCE.BITNET@forsythe.stanford.edu> Subject: [*] submission of crab-attack-ii.hqx This is Crab Attack II, a shareware game where the object is to shoot all sorts of nasty crabs and lobsters and such. See the About for Shareware info. Downloaded from AOL. [Archived as /info-mac/game/crab-attack-ii.hqx; 282K] ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 1 Apr 1991 19:05:07 PST From: "J. Sculley" <moof@apple.com> Subject: [*] System Software 7.0 Greetings and salutations, erstwhile netters. Please enjoy downloading the latest release of our system software. Sincerely, J. Sculley [Archived as /info-mac/apple/sw.license/README.txt; 10K /info-mac/apple/sw.license/70-install-1.hqx; 1172K /info-mac/apple/sw.license/70-install-2.hqx; 902K /info-mac/apple/sw.license/70-utilities.hqx; 1464K /info-mac/apple/sw.license/70-fonts.hqx; 1022K /info-mac/apple/sw.license/70-printing.hqx; 879K] ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 20 Mar 91 11:49:38 -0800 From: John Peterson <jp@apple.com> Subject: [*] Wallpaper for the Mind v1.1 This is Wallpaper for the Mind, v1.1. This draws interesting chaotic patters using a simple formula published in a Scientific American article a while back. v1.1 fixes a few minor bugs in the original (1987) version, and also now works with video cards requiring more than 1M of screen memory. [Archived as /info-mac/app/wallpaper-for-the-mind-11.hqx; 21K] ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 1 Apr 1991 09:22 EST From: "Michael A. McGuire, UTCC" <MCGUIRE@utkvx.utk.edu> Subject: 6.0.7 one last time I appreciate the responses to my statements regarding system 6.0.7. I will try to clarify my points. 1. The comments by Apple have all been made privately. They say unless you need it (Classic, LC, SI, TrueType, etc.) leave it alone. In print Apple says it runs on all Macs. My experience says it runs but not without bombing frequently. (We are something like the 100th largest mac site in the U.S. so we have a lot of macs to give a basis for comparison.) Don't get me wrong. I like the new features and the new Macs. But I have even had problems installing it on IIsis. 2. Every developer we beta for says they same thing. "Leave 6.0.7 alone." They are encountering they same problems that we are. So we are telling our people, I if you need it use it. If you don't need it we do not recommend it. Or in other words "CAVEAT EMPTOR." On another track, we are having problems using system 7.0b4 above 16MB. We have reported this to Apple but have gotten no response. Since one of the FEATURES of 7.0 was the ability to use large blocks of memory this seems to be a major problem. Any information anyone else can supply would be appreciated. Contact me directly for more information. Thanks. I am the only one who said it. You have only me to blame. Michael McGuire ------------------------------ Date: 31 Mar 91 20:03 EST From: science@oasys.dt.navy.mil (Mark Zimmermann) Subject: 7.0b4 help needed re redirection of stdin/stdout Could anybody advise me where to begin reading in the 7.0b4 documentation to help me set up a *very* simple interprocess communication system between two programs? Specifically, I want to do something that is nearly trivial under UNIX: I want one program to launch another one and to maintain control of standard input/output for that second (server-like) process. Thus, at present I have a working program (written using THINK C) which responds to console input and displays its results on the teletype-style console. I need to put another `shell' around it, in a sense. Is that trivial, possible, difficult, or what? I have not, thus far, been able to see a straightforward way to begin to approach this, after perusing the Apple Event Registry and Inside Macintosh Volume VI, etc., on the 7.0b4 CD-ROM. Help!!! :-) - ^z (Mark Zimmermann, science@oasys.dt.navy.mil, or AppleLink `zimmermann') ------ ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 1 Apr 1991 08:30 CST From: Stark Raving <TRIMPERG@lawrence.edu> Subject: apple.com You can find things like system software disk images and the True-Type and Communication disks at apple.com in the /pub/dts/sw-license directory. They DO have Sys 6.0.7, but don't have things like ResEdit or MacsBug. greg trimper @ his computer ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 1 Apr 1991 09:16 CST From: Stark Raving <TRIMPERG@lawrence.edu> Subject: backup programs Marshall Carroll <NU163467@vm1.nodak.edu> writes: >Hi. Hi. >I would like to backup the contents of my 40 Mb Quantum hard disk >(on a IIsi) onto floppies such that the directory structure will remain >intact when (and if) I have to restore the contents from the floppies. >What are some good, simple, inexpensive programs that can do this? >They don't have to be super quick. Is HFS backup a good choice? What >does HFS stand for? HFS Backup is one of the nicest backup programs that I have seen as far as interface and directory displaying and printing are concerned. It writes files in an archive format, not in Finder format, and is allows absolute selection of any mix of files. It lacks one thing,though, and that is compression. Thus, my new favorite is MacTools Backup. Nice interface (better in color), lots of disk options, can backup to tapes, and does an almost 50% compression. All that, and it is PART of MacTools. For $50, it is a great package deal, even if you only use FileEdit and Backup. Fastback has a less than pleasant interface, and its tendency to have the drive spin as you insert a floppy makes me nervous, even though Fifth Generation assured me it was safe. Apple's HDBackup program is not even recommended by Apple any more: "Several third party solutions are available." Seems that HDBackup, besides being one of the UGLIEST programs as far as interface and data storage go, does not even work properly under multifinder or newer systems. Yay Apple! They all preserve directory structure during a restore. I still use HFS Backup to print directories of my HD every once in a while. It does a very nice job of that. BTW, HFS stands for Hierarchical File System. Greg Trimper @ his computer "This space for rent" ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 1 Apr 91 10:11:12 PST From: HARRIS%ORN.ESNET@esnmrg.nersc.gov Subject: cheap mac+ accelerators Two items-------- 1. A cheap accelerator for the Mac +? A few weeks ago I saw a short article in Macweek by Henry Norr on an inexpensive ($250) two-chip accelerator upgrade for the Mac + that increases its overall speed by about a factor of 3. It is offered by Brainstorm, Inc (formerly Mac Doctor), telephone 415-964-2131. I called them, and found out that what they do is take your logic board, put a 16 MHz 68000 CPU chip on top of the existing one (solder-on clip) and also replace an Apple timing chip with an ASIC that increase the speed of of transfers between the CPU, RAM, ROM, and the SCSI port. You ship them the board and they turn it around in a few days. You can keep your old memory as long as it is 120 ns or faster. They claimed that there are no software compatibility problems (although it won't of course, run virtual memory in Sys. 7 because it isn't a 68030, and it doesn't have a floating point co-processor.) There are probably a lot of folks out there who would like to speed up their Pluses and don't want to spend a lot of $$ or buy a new machine. The Brainstorm upgrade sounds like just the thing if it works. Has anyone tried it? 2. An inexpensive hard-shell carrying case for the Mac. I recently got a brochure from BCM, Inc. (tel. 800-432-5211, ext 917) advertising a lightweight (8 lbs) hard-shell case for compact Macs. It has room for the Mac, the keyboard and an external hard disk or portable printer. It is double walled, sealed, and can be used as checked airline luggage. It costs only $130 (compare with $300 and up for heavier cases). It sounds great--as light as a soft case but more versatile. Has anyone out there tried it? Responses to net or me personally solicited. Jeff Harris Oak Ridge National Laboratory tel. 615-576-3969 harris%orn.esnet@nersc.llnl.gov ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 1 Apr 91 13:14:26 EST From: "Joel B. Levin" <levin@bbn.com> Subject: HC Virus and SAM 3.0 Forwarded at the request of the author of SAM. /JBL ****************** For SAM 3.0 Users: A new Macintosh HyperCard virus has been found and has been named the HC Virus. The virus infects only HyperCard stacks, and is mostly annoying. With SAM 3.0 you can download the latest Virus Definitions file from the Symantec bulletin board which includes both detection and repair of stacks infected with this virus. You can also enter a virus definition via SAM Virus Clinic 3.0 if you only require detection capabilities for this virus. The proper virus definition for SAM 3.0 is included here. ------------------------------------ SAM 3.0 Virus Definition For HC Virus Open the Data Definitions dialog in SAM 3.0 Virus Clinic by choosing "Add Definition (Data)" from the Definitions menu. Then enter the following information: Virus Name: HC Virus File Type: STAK Search String pop-up menu: ASCII Search String text field: if char 1 to 2 of LookAtDate <11 The string in the Search String text field above is an ASCII string. Blank area between words are spaces. The string IS case sensitive. As a guard against incorrect entry, SAM 3.0 has a "Check field" in the Definitions dialog boxes. If all of the above information is entered correctly, then your check field should be A0BD. Note that SAM 2.0 had the capability to detect and repair Hypercard viruses (such as Dukakis), but did NOT have a data definitions entry dialog. This is new to SAM 3.0. Paul Cozza SAM Author ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 01 Apr 91 10:29:32 CST From: "Joseph Counsil, Research Engineer" <C0428@umrvmb.umr.edu> Subject: IBM Proprinter on a Mac? I submitted this question a few issues back, but got no reply... Has anyone tried an IBM Proprinter on a Mac? My configuration is a Mac+, IBM Proprinter with parallel port. Obviously, I will need a serial port on the Proprinter, a cable, and most importantly printer driver software. What do I need from where to accomplish this? If you have some answers or opinions, you may contact me at: C0428@UMRVMB.EDU (on the Bitnet) Thanks. -JAC- ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 01 Apr 91 17:36:19 CST From: Bill Goffe <H2ZR1001%SMUVM1.BITNET@forsythe.stanford.edu> Subject: Mathematica 2.0 Has anybody tried Mathematica 2.0? I'm interested if the numerical performance on linear algebra has improved over earlier versions. Bill Goffe h2zr1001 @ smuvm1 ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 31 Mar 91 19:51:36 est From: Edna R Yahil <eyahil@libserv1.ic.sunysb.edu> Subject: PostScript Stuff Howdy! I have a Mac IIsi with a color display and am interested in buying a printer. If you had about $2000 to spend, would you get a 300 dpi laser printer or an HP PaintJet[D[D[D Jet? Also, how important is PostScript compatibility? Does Adobe Type Manager make up for not having it? If it doesn't, what does ATM do exactly? As you can see, I know next to nothing about printers. Any information you can offer would be very appreciated. Thank you. -Edna Yahil eyahil@libserv1.ic.sunysb.edu ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 01 Apr 91 16:40:38 EST From: Jason D. Blue <jblue@mwunix.mitre.org> Subject: Problems with MacTCP and System 7.0b4 (as well as othe 7.0b4 problems) Hi there, I am encountering a number of problems with NCSA Telnet, HyperFTP, and NetNews Reader, all of which are MacTCP applications, running under System 7.0b4, with HyperCard 2.0v2, and MacTCP 1.0.1: NCSA Telnet 2.4b10 - Unable to get it to perform under System 7.0b4. Complains that it is unable to open the Resolver. HyperFTP 1.3 - complains that MacTCP is not installed (HyperCard stack). NetNews Reader 1.2.1 - Complains that it is unable to invoke the name server resolver (HyperCard stack). NCSA Telnet 2.3 and tn3270 2.3, both also MacTCP applications, work without a hitch. I am on a Mac IICi, running in 24bit mode, 11 meg (8 real) memory, CableTron Ethernet Card, using Phase I protocols. In addition, I have found that the AppleShare XCMD provided with Mount and with WINGZ Tools does not work under System 7.0bx. Says "Cannot initialize AppleTalk (Do you have the right version)". Any fixes/ideas on what I could try? Thank you, Jason D. Blue User Support Center Specialist The MITRE Corporation ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 1 Apr 91 14:29:28 CST From: janus@ux.acs.umn.edu Subject: request info on cluster analysis Does anyone know of Mac programs to help with cluster analysis. What I have in mind is a program to take a text file and show the clustering of words -- which words are most commonly found near which words. I'm fairly sure such things exist for PC's and various mainframes.... How about the Mac? Thanks. Louis Janus, Scandinavian Dept., U of Minnesota Minneapolis, MN USA. 612/625-6613. ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 31 Mar 1991 23:50 EST From: MacPhreak! <JPONS@vax.clarku.edu> Subject: Responses to Virtual memory in Sys 7.0 Hello netters! A few digests ago I asked this question: >I read somewhere that the virtual memory feature in System 7.0 will only work >on hard disks that have been initialized with the "Apple HD SC Setup". Is this >true? Well I got an overwhelming response. The most messages I've ever received! Well I found out from others people's comments and from personal experience (I got a hold of 7.0b4) that the virtual feature of 7.0 will work with all hard disks that have been formatted with a driver that is "re-entrant" because it needs be called from the low-level VM code when a page must be read in. As far as i've been able to find out La Cie's Silverlining and OnTrack's Disk Manager Mac v 2.24 will do. La Cie's driver will also work on 45mb removable drives, there's also a file available on Compuserve that allows virtual memory (for sys 7.0b4) to be used from a 45Mb removable. Hope this helps. Thanks to all who replied to my message, your help is greatly appreciated! Juan INTERNET JPons@Jack.ClarkU.Edu BITNET JPons@ClarkU AOL MacPhreak ------------------------------ Date: 1 Apr 91 15:02:00 EST From: "MICHAEL R. ROMAN" <mikero@lns61.tn.cornell.edu> Subject: Scott Berfield's address Does anyone have an email or snail mail address for Scott Berfield? I tried to send a shareware fee for Speedometer 2.5 and had the check returned by the post office. Mike Roman mikero@lns61.tn.cornell.edu ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 01 Apr 91 12:12:57 PLT From: Paul Brians <HRC$04@wsuvm1.csc.wsu.edu> Subject: Skipping Stuffing Some files posted here are bigger stuffed (or compacted) than unstuffed. Uploaders, please check to make sure your files wouldn't more sensibly be uploaded as is rather than automatically sending them as .sea or .sit files, and save us all time and effort. Thanks. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 01 Apr 91 13:07 From: LOGAN.MUS@mhs.unc.edu (LOGAN) Subject: Sort Order & Intl Ctrl Panel Hi, I have two questions for the list, both pertaining to using the Mac with foreign languages. First of all, does anybody know where I can get a copy of the "International Control Panel". Evidently this will allow me to choose different language sets. My second question is this: A Mac user here at UNC is interested in being able to create custom sorting orders. The sorting order seems to be controled by the Itl2 resource, so I think we are interested in being able to create a new Itl2 resource. Does anyone know how to create custom sorting orders, or know of a utility to do such a thing? Thanks in advance, Logan Wilkins Carolina OIT User Service logan.mus@mhs.unc.edu ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 01 Apr 91 16:01:38 SET From: Alexander Falk <K360950%EDVZ.UNI-Linz.AC.AT@forsythe.stanford.edu> Subject: Speeding up your Mac... Have you ever thought about this: an application running on a DOS PC under Windows is by far slower than a comparable application running under plain DOS. What is eating up all the CPU time obviously is the additional amount of processing time required to maintain such a "nice" user interface (all those windows, the mouse, menus, etc.). On the Macintosh, on the other hand, everybody is so used to the graphical user interface, that nobody ever dared to ask the question "Just how fast would my Mac be, if I were running a command-line operating system instead of this graphical nonsense?". Well, today I discovered, that someone at Apple obviously thought along the same lines, when he added a hidden feature, which allows you to TURN OFF the graphical user interface on your Mac. This seems to be working on every model of the Macintosh line (I only tried it on a Portable, a IIsi, and a IIx so far and it worked on all of them)! All you need to do is to press Cmd-Opt-Shft-1-4 while your Mac is starting up (you have to hold down all 5 keys simultaneously to make this work) and you will immediately find a command line prompt very similar to the one you already know from DOS. The commands are fairly intuitive and - which is way better than DOS - you can get a list of all the commands by entering ? and pressing the Return or Enter key. Once you are in this command-line mode you can selectively turn on some parts of the regular Mac interface again (e.g. by entering WINDOWS you will restart the window manager and thus can have multiple command-line windows open at once). If you want to restart the whole Mac user interface again, just entering MAC will do the job. But let me tell you, my old Mac IIx performs like a brand-new IIfx now. I usually only run the mouse driver and the window manager, and this speeds up my Mac by about 146.3 percent. So far I've found only one problem with it: whenver I try to launch ResEdit without first starting the resource manager, I get the message "To oink, or not to oink - that is the question". Then the machine hangs and I can't type any more commands. Anyone knows what this is supposed to mean? (A)(L)exander (F)alk ------------------------------ Date: 01 Apr 91 05:54 GMT From: FALK2@applelink.apple.com (Austria - Alexander Falk) Subject: Standardizing documentations Here is one more addition to the ongoing debate on a standardized format for documentation for shareware/PD/freeware/etc.: Farrallon has recently announced DiskPaper(tm), and on the System 7.0b4 CD-ROM Apple has indeed included ALL documentation (including a preliminary version of Inside Macintosh - Volume VI) in DiskPaper format. Basically DiskPaper works like a printer driver - you can print stuff from any application to a special printer driver and it comes out as a DiskPaper document. The reader application for DiskPaper is free (at least that's what I've heard), so you can download it from BBSs, ftp servers, or even distribute it with your own software. DiskPaper also has other features, but it would certainly serve the purpose of standardizing documentation files for shareware and PD software. Another benefit: you cannot modify a DiskPaper document (you can print it and view it on screen, though). To me DiskPaper looks VERY promising. If the creation program (i.e. the printer driver) is affordable, I will definitely buy myself a copy. But so far I haven't seen it for sale, even though the press release from Farrallon has been quite a while ago. Anyone knows, when it will be out? Comments, anyone? (A)(L)exander (F)alk ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 31 Mar 91 20:22:24 EST From: Murph Sewall <SEWALL%UCONNVM.BITNET@forsythe.stanford.edu> Subject: System 6.0.7 As a note on recent allegations that Apple doesn't recommend System 6.0.7 on any but the Classic, LC, and IIsi -- I recenlty helped setup a colleagues brand new SE/30. It came from Apple with guess which operating system? Now that I keep getting reminded, EVERY Mac I've seen from Apple since the Classic, LC, and IIsi were announced has been shipped with 6.0.7. I don't think Apple ships any other operating system with ANY of its CPUs at the moment. In short, new Mac buyers haven't any other options (unless they've a friend with an older system). If Apple truly doesn't recommend 6.0.7 for SE/30's, IIci's, IIfx's and (presumably) Mac Portables, why are they shipping it with them? ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 1 Apr 91 19:03:15 EST From: stricher@masig3.ocean.fsu.edu (James Stricherz) Subject: Tape Backup I have a 150mb hard drive that I would like to make a back up of. I've determined that shoving 100+ disks around is not a solution, and I'd like to get a tape drive. But I'm unfamiliar with them, and need comments, opinions, and advice on the options available to a single user. I'll summarize for the net, if desired. Thanx in advance. James N. Stricherz stricher@masig3.ocean.fsu.edu ------------------------------ Date: Sun Mar 31 18:45:13 EST 1991 From: seanwilliams@attmail.com Subject: The Mac Classic System Hi everyone: I am a senior in high school, and I am interested in puchasing a Mac Classic system for college. I am majoring in telecommunications technology, and will probablby be doing some word processing, light database work, using Hypercard, and probably some desktop publishing. What I want to know is: Will the Mac Classic with the standards 2 meg/40meg hard drive setup be enough for me? Should I even be getting a Mac Classic? I really am set on a Classic system, but I can change if I have enough reason to. What I really want to know about is the memory and storage I will be needing. Also, I am going to Rochester Institute of Technology. Their college bookstore is an authorized Apple dealer. Would I be better off buying from them or a local (PA) dealer. [Please respond directly] Thanks! Sean E. Williams seanwilliams@attmail.com +1 717 957 8139 ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 1 Apr 91 12:17:09 CST From: Your friendly neighbourhood Lab GTA <chai@hawk.cs.ukans.edu> Subject: TrueType & 6.0.5 Bruce Carter told me: -- Apple told us that TrueType should work ok with 6.0.5, but that they had not "extensively tested" it under 6.0.5. That's why I said that 6.0.7 was the recommended system, not the only one. First hand experience is always valuable to the other folks out here so I would recommend that you send a note to Info-Mac and let everyone know that you're having success with TrueType and 6.0.5. --- So, I'm letting all of you know that I've been using TrueType with 6.0.5 and zillions of INITs for a couple of weeks and haven't found any major glitches yet (other than the INIT conflicts & solutions thereof I posted a couple of weeks ago.) Ian Chai chai@hawk.cs.ukans.edu ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 01 Apr 91 11:55:33 EST From: James J Dempsey <jjd@alexander.bbn.com> Subject: using Sony CD-ROM I have a Sun Microsystems CD-ROM drive connected to my Macintosh II running System 6.0.7. SCSIProbe 2.03 lists the drive as follows: ID Type Vendor Product Version 5 ROM SONY CD-ROM CDU-8012 3.1a I have MacOS CD-ROM software installed. However, I can't mount any CD-ROMs from this disk, even when using the explicit "Mount" command on Paul Mercer's SCSI Tools or on Robert Polic's SCSIProbe. I am guessing that the problem might be that Apple's CD-ROM software will only mount Apple CD-ROM Drive. Is this my problem? Is there some publicly available CD-ROM driver which will work with this drive? Thanks, --Jim Dempsey-- jjd@bbn.com ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 1 Apr 91 14:17:11 CST From: allan@chem.nwu.edu Subject: WordPerfect / Word 4.0 File Translation I am looking for a translator to convert WordPerfect 5.1 (MS-DOS) documents to Microsoft Word 4.0 (Mac) format. I have tried the WP 5.0 -> Word translator that comes with MacWrite II and a WP 4.2 -> RTF translator that works with Apple File Exchange. Neither translator has the fidelity that I require. I am translating a technical paper which contains special characters, normal and symbol fonts, super- and subscripts, boldface, italics, and underlining. Any information you can provide will be greatly appreciated. David Allan allan@chem.nwu.edu Department of Chemistry Northwestern University Evanston, IL 60208 ------------------------------ End of Info-Mac Digest ******************************