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Info-Mac Digest Thu, 27 Jun 91 Volume 9 : Issue 148 Today's Topics: [*] TidBITS#67/17-Jun-91 AppleEvents & HC 2.1 ATC Support Policy again Beep tone Denon DRD-253M CD-ROM drive external switches Gone Away! Help locating Creativity apps? HQX files Info-Mac Digest V9 #146 (2 msgs) International Systems isStationery bit language converters MacX MaxAppleZoom MAZ & Shareware fees Need Help in Rome! network problem (solution) News Readers and NFS Clients PICT->bitmaps Preferences folder and foreign systems 7.0 Questions about Termulator Rebuild desktop? Replacement HD for Portable Request for Amharic and Transliteration Amharic Fonts Shiva systems SE/30 Etherport board System 7.0 32 Bit Problem TidBITS issues, MaxAppleZoom questions Uploading PostScript to VAX Word Finder & System 7 The Info-Mac newsgroup is moderated by Bill Lipa and Jon Pugh. The Info-Mac archives are available (by using FTP, account anonymous, any password) in the info-mac directory on sumex-aim.stanford.edu [36.44.0.6]. Help files and indices are in /info-mac/help. Please send articles and binaries to info-mac@sumex-aim.stanford.edu. Send administrative mail to info-mac-request@sumex-aim.stanford.edu. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Wed, 26 Jun 91 10:07:24 GMT From: ace@tidbits.ithaca.ny.us (Adam C. Engst) Subject: [*] TidBITS#67/17-Jun-91 Index of TidBITS#67/17-Jun-91 REPOSTED BECAUSE OF A MANGLED FILE - SORRY Reviews/17-Jun-91 MailBITS/17-Jun-91 -- Adam and Tonya just got married, so this issue was assembled by a guest editor. SevenBITS/17-Jun-91 -- Some hints about using Aliases and the TrueType version of the New York font. DOS 5.0 -- An overview of Microsoft's new version of DOS, released just last week. New features include some utilities licensed from Central Point Software. Donating Old Computers -- Don't know what to do with your old, obsolete Mac? Donate it to one of these non-profit groups that "recycles" old technology and gets it into the hands of people who don't have even the old stuff. MODE32 to the Rescue -- A review of the new product from Connectix, makers of Virtual. MODE32 gets Apple off the hook (well, almost) by making some old Macs 32-bit clean. [Archived as /info-mac/digest/tidbits-67.hqx; 33K] ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 26 Jun 91 11:27:22 CDT From: strick@slcs.slb.com Subject: AppleEvents & HC 2.1 I was playing around last night and managed to create a stack that let's me experiment with events from/to HyperCard on two machines across a net. The stack is simple ... One Background containing three fields and one button. fld "Program" - This is a simple 1 line field, into which I can enter a program name. This can be on the same machine or across a net. ie. ZONE:Macintosh Name:Program fld "Command" - This is is a multi-line field where I can enter a series of HyperTalk strings that will get sent to the program one at a time. ie. go stack "Addresses" find string "Willie" in fld "FirstName" fld "HomePhone" fld "Result" - This is a mutli-line field that ends up with a log of Events, Programs and Results. It is a scrolling fld. bg btn "Send Event" - has the following script on mouseUp set cursor to WATCH put ", " into CM put RETURN into CR if fld "Program" is EMPTY then answer program "Select a remote Program" put it into fld "Program" end if put fld "Program" into aeProg repeat with i = 1 to number of lines in fld "Command" put line i of fld "Command" into aeCmnd send aeCmnd to program aeProg put the result into aeRslt if aeRslt is EMPTY then put aeCmnd &CM& aeProg &CM& "Success!" &CR before fld "Result" else put aeCmnd &CM& aeProg &CM& aeRslt &CR before fld "Result" end if end repeat end mouseUp Usage - I create a new card, click the button and a browser appears that allows me to pick a ZONE, Host and Program. The resulting program spec gets returned to the "Program" fld Then I enter one or more HyperTalk lines in the "Command" fld and click the button again and watch for the results. I'm just tossing this out as a way to get started. I have NO documentation on AppleEvents !what-so-ever! at this time. Perhaps a few good AppleEvent hackers can share there power with us. Don W Strickland ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 27 Jun 91 00:20:16 CDT From: GA0095%SIUCVMB.BITNET@forsythe.stanford.edu (Robert J. Brenstein) Subject: ATC Support Policy again Like Jeoffrey, I disagree with Bill. We are a large state university and we do have decent number of computer support people BUT none of them supports Macintoshes. You may guess what they support -- IBM stuff. Indeed. I have been filling the gap semi-officially for a couple of years. I guess we are fortunate to have Apple Campus Rep in town, but he can't provide support on a daily basis. Just in my department we have over 60 people using close to 50 Macs plus a bunch of other network devices. I managed to convince the department to foot the bill for my AppleLink access, but in the wake of recent budget cuts I may loose this. I even didn't hear about ATC program until now, but I surely would like to participate. I agree with others that Apple just benefits from us -- I doubt whether there would even half as many Macs in my department if I wasn't here. ------------------------------ Date: 27 Jun 91 09:15:00 CDT From: "Dr F J Van Wetering" <fjvanwet@zeus.unomaha.edu> Subject: Beep tone I have System 7.0 in both of my machines. The configurations: HOME: OFFICE: MacPlus ('85) SE/30 4M RAM 5 MRAM (8 M virtual) 20M Jasmine drive 40M Apple Internal Imagewriter I Imagewriter II Adaptec Nodem connected to Ethernet Mac 101 keyboard Apple xtended keyboard THE PROBLEM: Ever since upgrading to 7.0, I now get a sporadic "beep" from the system. There is no detectable fixed time period, and this beep occurs during no specific activity. In the office, it has 'beeped' while I was not doing ANYTHING, i.e. inactive. Realizing that this is very incomplete information, has anyone on the net any idea what might be causing this? Perhaps something with AppleEvents manager? I am just guessing! I could probably "live" with this mildly annoying sound, but who wants to? Thanks in advance. Dr. Francis J. Van Wetering fjvanwet@unoma1, fjvanwet@zeus.unomaha.edu ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 26 Jun 1991 15:45 EDT From: "Larry Deni @ Computer Center" <DENI%CANISIUS.bitnet@ricevm1.rice.edu> Subject: Denon DRD-253M CD-ROM drive Does anyone have any experience with the Denon DRD-253M CD-ROM drive? The 400ms access time and built in speaker appear to make it more attractive than the Apple CD SC. Larry Deni Technical Computing, Canisius College, Buffalo, NY BITNET: deni@canisius ------------------------------ Date: 27 Jun 91 10:15 +0200 From: "K.F. Wender" <wender@uni-trier.dbp.de> Subject: external switches Hello netters, in our research group we are conducting experiments with reaction time measurements on Apple Macintosh computers. As we had problems in using the Macintosh keyboard as response keys, we are looking for ways of connecting external switches to the Macintosh. We think this could be done either via the serial ports, the SCSI port, a NuBus card or ADB-port. Has anybody already solved this problem and can help us? Perhaps it would be useful to connect the external switches to an external millisecond timer to obviate the problems with milliseconds timing on the Macintosh. The Macintosh would then just initiate the timing and later collect response and response time. Please send e-mail to wender@uni-trier.dbp.de Thanks a lot! ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 26 Jun 91 19:50:50 EDT From: cykhoo%phoenix.Princeton.EDU@ricevm1.rice.edu (via the vacation program) Subject: Gone Away! I have left the molecular biology program in Princeton University. Please get in touch with me at: 52G Gilstead Court Singapore 1130 Republic of Singapore Tel: +65 2540003 Fax: +65 2535625 I hope to hear from you! Chong-Yee Khoo ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 26 Jun 91 17:54:24 +0300 From: David Smith <dave@shum.huji.ac.il> Subject: Help locating Creativity apps? Hello, folks Does anyone know if there are applications available which have to do with creative thinking, creative decision making, creative management and the like? I'd appeciate any leads, addresses of companies, names of projects, or products, relevant discussion groups over Internet, etc. As a matter of fact, if any of you are engaged in any of the above, I'd like to hear about it. I'm working on a project called EduGates, which is an interactive computer-aided environment for creative self-education. Please send replies to: David Smith <dave@shum.huji.ac.il> or <bausd@hujivm1> bitnet. I'll be happy to summarize any info I receive. Thanks in advance, David. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 27 Jun 91 08:39:46 ITA From: ibrahim <IBRAHIM%IVRUNIV.BITNET@forsythe.stanford.edu> Subject: HQX files I think it is the second time that i ask for help for the HQX files. I am using a Macintosh IIci with a Token ring adapter and MacDFT 1.1. My question is : What shall I do to get these HQX (.HQX) files on my Macintosh by FTP without having problems converting them back (both Binhex and Stuffit give me CRC error converting these files). Shall i download them in ascii or in binary mode ? shall i set any parameter when i down load them to my Mac ? Many times i could get the .Sit files but stuffit hanghed trying to extract the files. Any help. Ibrahim [Download them as ASCII and try UnStuffIt Deluxe if you can't unstuff it with StuffIt 1.5.1. You should also get StuffIt Classic from the archive. It can read and write basic Deluxe files. -- Jon] ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 26 Jun 91 09:21:42 EDT From: T01ERIK%ETSU.BITNET@forsythe.stanford.edu Subject: Info-Mac Digest V9 #146 RE: MaxAppleZoom It suddenly stopped working for me this weekend too. Apparently, the author has put some code in that disables it after a certain da te (sometime this weekend, it appears.) I reinstalled it, no go, it wouldn't work. I reset my clock to June 25, 1990, reinstalled it, and it ran. I reset my clock to June 25, 1991, and MaxAppleZoom croaked. So I deleted it. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 27 Jun 91 00:22:18 +0200 From: carre%frensl61.bitnet@forsythe.stanford.edu Subject: Info-Mac Digest V9 #146 |> From: jbotz@mhc.mtholyoke.edu (Jurgen Botz) |> Subject: Network time servers |> |> I believe I have seen several mentions of programs to allow setting the |> Macintosh clock after a server over the network... are there any such |> programs available which can interface to Unix network time services? |> |> - Jurgen Botz . time server for macintoshes : . Timelord on a macintosh or on a unix machine running CAP . macintosh client running tardis . anonymous ftp for Tardis package at munnary.oz.au in mac/timelord.1.2.shar. . InterNet Time server : . telnet swisstime.ethz.ch daytime . rdate swisstime.ethz.ch -- Giles Carre Ecole Normale Superieure 46, allee d'Italie 69364 LYON CEDEX 07 FRANCE Phone : (+33) 72 72 84 12 EARN/BITNET : carre@frensl61.bitnet Fax : (+33) 72 72 80 80 FNET/EUNET/UUNET : carre@ensl.ens-lyon.fr ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 26 Jun 91 15:17 EDT From: GOLDSMII%SNYSYRV1.BITNET@forsythe.stanford.edu Subject: International Systems Just for everybody's general information. There are now both British and French versions of System 7 at ftp.apple.com. I think this is a new policy by Apple and (IMO) a welcome one. Though I have no real reason for a foreign system its interesting to fool around with. If anybody downloads the french version of 7 I'd be interested in knowing if all the help ballons are in french as well. I will probably wait for some of the more unusual foreign system versions. Ian ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 26 Jun 91 18:11:15 SDT From: Norbert Mueller <K360171%EDVZ.UNI-Linz.AC.@@forsythe.stanford.edu> Subject: isStationery bit After browsing through IM VI and the interface files on the GM CD, I could not find the location of the isStationery bit in the fdFlags sfFlags fields. So I decided to address myself to this forum - sorry if the question is too technical. Is this an omission in IM VI or am I missing something important? I really need to know this value to implement a stationery aware application. Thanks to anyone who can help. Norbert ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 27 Jun 91 12:53:38 +0100 From: norbert@soft.uni-linz.ac.at Subject: language converters Hi! I am looking for some high level language converters for the Macintosh platform: in particular fortran to c pascal to c c to pascal and any others you might know about I know that the first one exists in the unix world (is there PD source code ???). The turbo pascal to C converter is pretty useless in a Mac environment (are there others ???) So far I have not heard of the c2p variety. Thanks for your replies. (either to the return address in the mail header or to K360171@ALIJKU11.bitnet or to K360171@EDVZ.uni-linz.ac.at) Norbert Muller Institute of Chemistry Johannes Kepler University A-4040 Linz Austria ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 26 Jun 91 15:24:03 PDT From: Edan Kabatchnik <ekabatch@us.oracle.com> Subject: MacX I just upgraded from MacX 1.0.1 to MacX 1.1. It's nice to have working cut, copy, and paste. However, 1.1, unlike its early cousin 1.0.1, has an mctb resource and consequently has its own color scheme for the menu bar. I find this particularly annoying. 1.1 refuses to use my customized, system wide mctb. Any ideas on how to get 1.1 to change its errant ways? - Edan ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 26 Jun 91 18:06 EDT From: Saul Tannenbaum <SAUL_SY@hnrc.tufts.edu> Subject: MaxAppleZoom In INFO-MAC V9 #146 JMUELLER%PPL.ESNET@esnmrg.nersc.gov (Jiim Mueller) asks about possible time bombs in MaxAppleZoom. There has been a great deal of discussion of this on Compuserve. Almost everybody who was running MaxAppleZoom found it dead one morning. Some people have engaged in long experiments, moving video cards around and such, which seems to change the date on which MaxAppleZoom dies. Others still seem to be running it fine. People who have looked at the code see no obvious time bombs, so speculation is that this is some sort of latent bug. If you want a few months more use out of this software, then move your video card to a higher numbered slot. Or set the date back on your Mac. If you're paranoid, and think that this is an intentional time bomb of some kind, you might wonder what will happen next and take the software away from your system until there's some definitive answer as to what's going. As for sending in one's shareware check and asking the author, many, many people report sending a check and never having had it cashed. And no one seems to know where to find the author these days. Unfortunately, it's incidents like this that gives shareware a very bad name. Saul Tannenbaum, USDA HNRC at Tufts University (STANNENB@HNRC.TUFTS.EDU) ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 26 Jun 91 23:28:30 EST From: Murph Sewall <SEWALL%UCONNVM.BITNET@forsythe.stanford.edu> Subject: MAZ & Shareware fees On Wed, 26 Jun 91 08:52:39 edt you said: >In response to <JMUELLER%PPL.ESNET@esnmrg.nersc.gov>'s comment: > >>I know I know... send in the shareware fee and ask the author. If our >>employers would reimburse us for paying shareware fees we'd be more likely >>to. > >Don't use your employer as a scapegoat. I work for an employer whose penny ante foolishness often drives me up the proverbial wall. HOWEVER, we also have a "thou shall not violate copyright" policy (officially at least). We not only cut transfer vouchers for shareware, we even pay IN ADVANCE (unheard of!) when we have to. If your employer balks, the answer is: "well, yes there is a commercial product that will do the same thing, but it costs three times as much." which usually is the case. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 26 Jun 91 22:41:36 EDT From: Alan David Bulley <458507%UOTTAWA.BITNET@forsythe.stanford.edu> Subject: Need Help in Rome! Is there anyone who lives in the vicinity of Rome who might be able to help out a visiting scholar? A biblical scholar from the U.S. has been asked to do a presentation at the International Society of Biblical Literature conference re: the use of computers in textual studies. He will be bringing his own IBYCUS computer for the demonstration and is also trying to line up IBM and Apple equipment for a well-rounded demonstration. Does anyone on the list know how he might go about procuring Mac equipment in Rome for the duration of the conference? The conference site will be the Pontifical Biblical Institute. If anyone has any leads at all, could they please contact me at the address below and I will forward the information. Thanks in advance, Alan Bulley Saint Paul University, Ottawa 458507@UOTTAWA or 458507@ACADVM1.UOTTAWA.CA ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 26 Jun 91 17:21:14 CDT From: GA0095%SIUCVMB.BITNET@forsythe.stanford.edu (Robert J. Brenstein) Subject: network problem (solution) Thanks to all of those who send me suggestions. Nobody got it right but most people were real close. The problem went away after cold restart of Gatorbox. Change in the address of one of the gateways between Gatorbox and proteon must have caused the problem. Upon tracing we found that Gatorbox was routing things to the now non-existent gateway. Beats me how it figured out to correctly route packets to on-campus computers. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 26 Jun 91 17:39:58 EST From: Scott Traurig <traurig@skydvr.sanders.lockheed.com> Subject: News Readers and NFS Clients Hi Fellow Netfolks! First the good news: I am using a 2si with 6.07 and MacTCP, and am having reasonable success using NCSA Telnet 2.3 (the BYU version that includes the FTP client), LeeMail, and TheNews 1.4 for Telnet/FTP, SMTP mail, and news reading respectively. I highly recommend the first two. Now the bad news: (1) is anyone aware of a version of Telnet that implements a VT200 series terminal emulation, or PD/shareware equiv. and (2) A more stable PD/shareware news reader than TheNews? TheNews 1.4 crashes _a_lot_ on my system, and TheNews 2.0 is even worse - it will launch and then bring the whole system down in flames. I also have NewsWatcher, but I haven't been able to get it to work. Finally (3) does anyone know of PD/shareware NFS client software for the Mac? Thanks, Scott (traurig@ncavax.decnet.lockheed.com) ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 26 Jun 91 16:41:12 -0400 (EDT) From: "John A. Fedak" <jf3c+@andrew.cmu.edu> Subject: PICT->bitmaps Yo, Is there a Mac PICT to unix X window bitmap conversion utility around? If so, how can I find it? Reply to this account. Thanks in advance, -Feds ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 26 Jun 91 23:43:00 PDT From: glenn@gla-aux.uucp (Glenn Austin) Subject: Preferences folder and foreign systems 7.0 >Can anybody post here what is the way to get a path to the preferences folder? Use the FindFolder call to find the special preferences folder. IM 6, p. 9-44 ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 26 Jun 91 18:54:38 EDT From: John M. Canning <jc@cvl.umd.edu> Subject: Questions about Termulator James Stricherz (stricher@masic3.ocean.fsu.edu) recently uploaded "Termulator," a vt100 emulator with scripting and zmodem, from Genie to the Sumex archives. It's a pretty nice application, but there are some problems. The author, Brad Quick, gives his snail mail address, but does he have a internet/bitnet address? Are you out there, Brad? Capsule review of Termulator: vt100 emulation is good but not perfect. [seems to] lack a method for sending a "break." scripting language is very nice and user interface is good. zmodem works well for binary files, but I can't get it to convert Unix newlines into Macintosh carriage returns (as the Sumex zmodem claims it should). -John Canning (jc@cvl.umd.edu) ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 26 Jun 91 09:46:40 -0900 From: "Lewis Overton" <SNALO%ALASKA.BITNET@forsythe.stanford.edu> Subject: Rebuild desktop? Does anyone know of a program or way, preferably shareware, to rebuild the desktop under system 7.0 without losing comments? Lewis Overton snalo@alaska.bitnet snalo@orca.alaska.edu ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 26 Jun 91 10:15:26 PDT From: Paul Romaniuk <PROMAN@uvvm.uvic.ca> Subject: Replacement HD for Portable I need to replace the 40 meg internal HD on my Mac Portable with a larger capacity drive. My favourite hard drive supplier, APS, doesn't carry hard drives with the "unusual" portable interface. Does anyone know of a supplier of appropriate drives? Please respond to me, and I will summarize for the net. Paul Romaniuk ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 25 Jun 91 12:57 EST From: G5100037@nickel.laurentian.ca Subject: Request for Amharic and Transliteration Amharic Fonts Some one here at laurentian University is looking for an Amharic font for the mac. He also really needs the tranliteration of this font, ie; every letter in Amharic(which looks like greek, a bit) has an equivalent in a "normal" font. Example an "a" with a bar on top or a "t" with a dot below it. If anyone knows where I can get this font, please send a message to me. Thanks for your time Tom Andersen ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 26 Jun 91 15:34:03 BST From: erpl08@castle.edinburgh.ac.uk Subject: Shiva systems SE/30 Etherport board In comp.sys.mac.digest you write: > Has anyone out there gotten Shiva systems SE/30 Etherport board to work >with system 7.0? > Paul Fons, paul@bk.tsukuba.ac.jp, Inst. of App. Phys. You need to get new drivers for the boards, they're available at Beta version and seem reliable enough. Best route is through the dealer you got the cards from. John Smith Edinburgh University Computing Service JANET erpl08@uk.ac.ed.castle ------------------------------ Date: Wednesday, 26 Jun 1991 12:01:03 EDT From: "Jeffrey N. Fritz" <JFRITZ%WVNVM.BITNET@forsythe.stanford.edu> Subject: System 7.0 32 Bit Problem Prior to yesterday, I thought only MS-DOS users had to confront memory issues. However, yesterday I ran into a dandy with system 7.0 I expanded a IIci from 8 MB to 20 MB (4 - 4 MB in bank A and 4 - 1 MB in bank B). The IIci is running System 7.0. With 32 bit addressing turned on all is fine. The system takes up a little over 2 MB as expected and there is plenty of application memory. If I turn off the 32 Bit memory, the system grabs nearly 15 MB of my 20 MB in the machine (well, maybe it doesn't grab it - the About This Macintosh display just reports it). But clearly I run out of Application memory after 5 MB is loaded. This rather strange behavior is somewhat understandable. After all, I believe that without 32 bit turned on, the system can only use up 8 MB of memory. Apparently, it doesn't know what to do with the other 12 MB so the system soaks it up. (I'm sure there is a more technical explanation!). Here's the problem. If I leave off 32 bit memory, I actually have less memory available than if I dropped back to 8 MB RAM. If I leave it on, I have to contend with applications that may not be 32 bit clean. I'm curious as to the experience of others on the net who are running in excess of 8 MB. Which applications, extentions, etc have given you trouble? Lastly, is this weird soaking up of memory a normal part of how the Mac deals with the situation or a problem that Apple must address? Comments are welcome. (By the way the same problem occurs on a IIsi when loaded with 17 MB). ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 26 Jun 91 09:50:16 GMT From: ace@tidbits.ithaca.ny.us (Adam C. Engst) Subject: TidBITS issues, MaxAppleZoom questions Couple of things: First off, my apologies for forgetting the special characters to make the TidBITS#68 snnouncement show up at the top of the last Info-Mac posting. Second, my apologies for the mangling of TidBITS#67, which Mark H. Anbinder sent out for me. He has almost exactly the same paths and mailers as I do (we have the same uucp host), so the fact that the files were all mangled (lots of extra CR's in them - which when stripped produced a good file) was really strange. Mark will be helping out even more when I'm off the nets temporarily in late July and August during our move to Seattle, so bear with him. He's doing a good job. Third, would someone please summarize what's happened with MaxAppleZoom for me? I use an Apple 13" color monitor on an SE/30, so I never used it. I gather that it was shareware and expired on Friday 6/21. Had anyone who sent in the shareware fee gotten a new version that works correctly? You'll have to admit, it's an interesting shareware 'gotcha.' Wait until the people have gotten really fond of the utility for a few years and then pull out the rug. Of course, it's only excusable if the people who paid really do get a working update. Please send me email, and if you don't want to be cited in the TidBITS article, please mention that too. Many thanks .... -Adam ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 26 Jun 1991 09:42 EDT From: "Mark Nutter, Apple Support" <MANUTTER@grove.iup.edu> Subject: Uploading PostScript to VAX In a recent issue of Info-Mac, I saw a couple people complaining about "line too long" errors when uploading PostScript files to a VAX. At the risk of asking a dumb question: have you folks tried typing "SET FILE TYPE BINARY" at the KERMIT> prompt before uploading the file? That's what I have to do. Mark Nutter [manutter@grove.iup.edu] ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 26 Jun 91 23:09:55 CDT From: dlc@arco.com (Dane Cantwell (915)688-5625) Subject: Word Finder & System 7 If you have not noticed Word Finder that came with MS Word 4.0 does not work with Word and System 7. It is not aware you are executing it with MS Word and gives an error msg. You can fix this by using ResEdit to copy all of the Resources from Word Finder and pasting them into your copy of Word. Once this is done you remove Word Finder from you System Folder/Control Panel folder. Word Finder will only show-up under the Apple when Word is executing in the forground. This works for me and I have not seen any problems with it. Don't blame me if you thrash your only copy of Word doing this! (i.e. Use a copy!) dlc@arco.com (Dane Cantwell) ARCO Oil and Gas Company ------------------------------ End of Info-Mac Digest ******************************