INFO-IBMPC@WSMR-SIMTEL20.ARMY.MIL (07/31/89)
INFO-IBMPC Digest Mon, 31 Jul 89 Volume 89 : Issue 73 Today's Topics: Bibliographic Utility dBase III+ files encryption chip; also, Q-16 U.G. Getting into and back from the 386 Protected Mode IBM Digest Index of SIMTEL20 MSDOS files updated Info-IBMPC Digest V89 #68 My RS-232 problem. NEC replacement for 8086 OPUS BBS Info Recommendations on mailorder companies. re dBase III format query Re GIF headers Request assistance with "Complete C" Support tracking and administration program. Tax programs TOPS and Desqview Turbo Pascal "misimplementations" Also, RX-80 questions. VIRUS KILLERS Which CAD/drawing package to use? ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Sat, 22 Jul 89 17:43:22 IST From: Itamar Even-Zohar <B10%TAUNIVM.BITNET@CUNYVM.CUNY.EDU> Subject: Bibliographic Utility Noshir Contractor (IBM PC-Digest Vol. 89 No 65) looks for a bibliographic software package. I think Nota Bene's new bibliographic utility may be what he is looking for. Here are excerpts from *WINGS*, Spring/Summer 1989, about the new bibliography program by Dragonfly Software: NOTA BENE has always offered basic bibliographic management, but our innovative program promises to open up a new world. Now you'll be able to: * Enter titles only once: Simply type in the author's last name and/or a short title, and a pop-up window presents possible matches that you've already entered. Select one of the existing titles or add an entry on the spot. You'll only have to type a full bibliographic reference once, no matter how many papers you write. * Enter citations effortlessly Prompts tell you where to type the author, title, date and other relevant information. The program then arranges this data in the correct sequence. Worrying about capitalization, punctuation, abbreviations, and all those other details is a thing of the past: It's the program's task to provide the appropriate punctuation, to capitalize titles, and to convert page numbers. * Format citations in a variety of styles Entries may be formatted according to APA, ASPA, Chicago A, Chicago B, MLA, and Turabian styles instead of just the form in which they're entered. With a few keystrokes, you can even *reformat* a bibliography entirely and *accurately* from one format to another. * Take advantage of enhanced sorting possibilities In addition to alphabetization by author, date, or title, you can also sort significant works before short works, or singly-authored works before jointly-authored works, and all of these before translated or compiled works. The new program * Works from within Nota Bene Simply pop up a window and add, edit, or cite an entry. * Enviable formatting capabilities * Unmatched sophistication and accuracy * Sophisticated multilingual support Rules, exceptions to rules, exceptions to exceptions, and more: We've paid close attention to the minutiae of academic style sheets so that you don't have to. * Output is, as before, full ASCII files Registered Nota Bene users can order this utility for 40% discount, i.e., $99 instead of $165. (Competing packages cost as much as $495.) (I don't know for how long this offer stands now -- I.E-Z.) For more information write to Dragonfly Software 285 West Broadway, Suite 600 New York, NY 10013-2204 (Phone: 212-334-0445) Itamar Even-Zohar Porter Institute Tel Aviv University For more information about Nota Bene order file NOATBENE DESCRIPTI from the file server at Taunivm.Bitnet TELL LISTSERV AT TAUNIVM GET NOTABENE DESCRIPTI NOTABENE ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 22 Jul 89 14:59:48 CDT From: Kevin Trojanowski <troj@umaxc.weeg.uiowa.edu> Subject: dBase III+ files In the back of one of the dBase manuals (Appendix C, I believe) is information on the format of many of the dBase III+ files, including .dbf. -Kevin Trojanowski troj@umaxc.weeg.uiowa.edu trojpg@uiamvs.bitnet trojanowski@iowasp.physics.uiowa.edu ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 22 Jul 89 14:00 EST From: "There are conceptual relations, but never the truth." Subject: encryption chip; also, Q-16 U.G. Zilog makes a chip that does all the (old) MIL-STD data ciphering/decipher- ing by itself. The part number is Z8068 and Z9518; these two are identical in operation. Just minor differences in speed. AMD second-sources the devices with the same part number (well, Am9518 and AmZ8068). Speed is up to around 1MB per second (1.66M max-ish, I think). AMD charges around $50 for commercial and $150 for military parts. Call 1-800-538-8450 for AMD's sales office/distributor near you. Zilog's number is 1-408-370- 8000. (AMD's CA number is 408-732-2400.) As for QX-16 user's group, there is an "Epson user's group." Their address , I mean phone number, is 814-237-5511, between 4 and 7 pm, EST. (I couldn't afford to join, but their newsletter seems nice, and has quite a few things for the QX-16, too!) Good luck! John Shin DISCLAIMER: Affiliated with these people? I WISH!!! I could use some cash, you know. First thing, I can get a 2400-or-so-baud modem so that I can "go back and check the "from" line" so I can relieve the network of having to send this to everyone! If you have an opening for a political economy student in the last year of college, drop me a line: I learn fast... :-) ------------------------------ Date: 20 Jul 89 01:10:11 GMT From: ssc-vax!cardinal@beaver.cs.washington.edu (Ralph Cardinal) Subject: Getting into and back from the 386 Protected Mode Keywords: 386 Protected Mode, Real Mode, DOS We are trying to control a VMEbus via a 386 machine, and are having some problems regarding the software. We are using a Bit-3 card for the communications between the two busses. The 386 machine is a Dolch 386. Now to the problem. We must access the extended memory of the 386, since this is were the Bit-3 Communications card is mapped. Is there an easy way to jump in and out of protected mode, from real mode. Currently, we are having problems going into protected mode, without rebooting, and back into the real mode of the 386. We are trying to use several examples in the Intel 386 Programmer's Reference Manual, the only difference is that we do not want to have to reboot the machine every time. Can anyone point us to a good source of information in using the protected mode of the 386 at this level, or even better, e-mail us some help. Thanks in advance, Ralph Cardinal and Murray Mar ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 17 Jul 89 13:38:16 pdt From: Danny Low <dlow@hpspcoi.hp.com> Subject: IBM Digest Info-IBMPC@WSMR-SIMTEL20.ARMY.MIL >From: MLuma <RARCHI06%IMIPOLI.BITNET@CUNYVM.CUNY.EDU> >Subject: HP <--> MS-DOS file transfer > > I have two HP machines (a desktop mini, HP 9836, and a 320 series system). >I need file exchange between these machine and my PC AT. The big one (320) >has a serial port, so I'm going to write a program that reads the file and >send it on that port to the PC. Is there something already done ? Someone >has seen software that runs on PC and can read HP floppies ? > > Marco Lumachi Kermit is available for the HP machines and the PC. It is what I use when I have to do file transfers over a data line. It is public domain from Colombia University in New York City. For direct floppy transfers check with A Gentle Wind 186 Partridge St Albany, NY 12203 Phone 518-482-9023 or Oswego Software 507 North Adams Oswego, Illinois 60543 Phone 312-554-3567 I have NOT used any of these companies' products but I understand they have disk transfer programs for HP to non-HP disk formats. Danny Low. ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 16 Jul 1989 02:58 MDT From: Keith Petersen <w8sdz@WSMR-SIMTEL20.ARMY.MIL> Subject: Index of SIMTEL20 MSDOS files updated The index of SIMTEL20 MSDOS files, with descriptions, has just been updated. The file is PD1:<MSDOS.FILEDOCS>SIMIBM.IDX. An archived version of the same file is in PD1:<MSDOS.FILEDOCS>SIMIBM.ARC. A list of all files in the MSDOS archives is contained in directory PD1:<MSDOS.FILEDOCS> as follows: NODESCR.IDX contains a listing of those files that do not have a description. SIMCVT.BAS is a BASICA/GWBASIC program to convert SIMIBM.IDX to a human- readable text file. See also SIMCVT2.BAS and SIMCVT3.BAS. SIMDISP.AWK is an awk script for displaying SIMIBM.IDX in outline form. SIMDISP.DOC explains how to use SIMDISP.AWK. SIMIBM.HDR contains a PC-File+ database header for use with SIMIBM.IDX. SIMIBM.IDX contains a listing of all files that have a one line description. SIMIBM.IDX (updated monthly) is automatically created by taking the latest FILES.IDX (updated daily) and comparing it against a combined list of current files on several BBS systems. Also available: FILDIF.ARC a program for comparing a previous copy of PD1:<MSDOS>FILES.IDX with a new copy. It displays files added and deleted since you got an older index. This is useful if you are trying to maintain an archive in sync with SIMTEL20. It can generate output scripts for batch FTP processing. SIMIBM.ARC contains the latest SIMIBM.HDR, SIMIBM.IDX, NODESCR.IDX, AAAREAD.ME (this file), SIMCVT.BAS, SIMCVT2.BAS, SIMCVT3.BAS, SIMIBM.DB3 (information on how to use the index with dBASEIII), SIMIBM.HDR (PC-File+ database header), and SIMIBM.INF (explains the fields in the index). PD1:<MSDOS.FILEDOCS>SIMIBM.ARC is updated at approximately one month intervals (more frequently, time permitting). PD1:<MSDOS>FILES.IDX is updated on a daily basis (sometimes several times a day when a lot of new files are uploaded). This file is a comma- delimited file, suitable for importing into PC-File+ or DBase III. It's impossible to make a daily updated list with descriptions with the quantity of new programs available. We average about 300 new files per month. WHERE TO SEND COMPLAINTS, PROBLEMS, QUESTIONS Messages about system problems, FTP problems, and network problems should be directed to ACTION@WSMR-SIMTEL20.ARMY.MIL. Messages about files in the MSDOS collection should be directed to w8sdz@WSMR-SIMTEL20.ARMY.MIL. Messages about problems with BITNET or EARN file servers should be directed to the system administrator at the server location. SIMTEL20 does NOT run these servers. --Keith Petersen Maintainer of SIMTEL20's CP/M, MSDOS, and MISC archives Internet: w8sdz@WSMR-SIMTEL20.Army.Mil [26.2.0.74] Uucp: {ames,decwrl,harvard,rutgers,ucbvax,uunet}!wsmr-simtel20.army.mil!w8sdz ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 16 Jul 89 17:35:14 EDT From: Jeff_MacKie-Mason@um.cc.umich.edu Subject: Info-IBMPC Digest V89 #68 You asked if you could use your 8087 chip in an 80286 machine. The short answer is "no", unless you have a very unusual 80286 machine. The 80287 is different size so even if you wanted to try you won't be able to put your 8087 into the coprocessor slot, unless your machine has an extra slot for the 8087. I've never heard of one that does, I think because the data path is a different width and so you'd need some special kludging to make an 8087 communicate properly with the 80286. These are *co*processors--they work intimately with the associated CPU. Although the 80386 was designed to handle either the 80287 or 80387, the same is not true for the 80286 CPU. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 21 Jul 89 23:08:12 DNT From: Peter <NEUMHL%NEUVM1.BITNET@CUNYVM.CUNY.EDU> Subject: My RS-232 problem. Dear fellow Info-ibmpc users .... As my mail for this list was about a month reaching its goal, i vent for the "expensive" solution. I droped by the dealer again, and this time i brought to total equiptment. What a load| I then showed them my problem, and they, again, tested my total equiptment, and, hurray||, found errors .... They changed some chips on the IO-card, and told me, all was fine again .... BUT IT WASN'T ||| Then thing switched between on- and offline (the DSR signal vent crazy) about 5 times pr. second, making my modem going bananos. I monitored the RS-232 cable, and found everything OK ?? Then error still had to be internal to the PC .... So i had to make the trip again to the dealer, but then, only brought then IO-CARD. I explained my problem again ... (was maybe a bit mad, as I had to get it functioning to continue my job) and they gave up | They handled over a complet new IO-CARD, with improved performance, and now everything works .... | I am not sure, what the problem was, but as Andr states, it could have been a chip, but why didn't it work, when the RS-232 chips where replaced ?? I don't know .... I just know, that all is functioning today, and i'm happy that it is ... Thanks for the responce ... I appriciate it | - Peter Larsen. ------------------------------ Date: Fri 21 Jul 89 20:48:22 From: tweten@prandtl.NAS.NASA.GOV Subject: NEC replacement for 8086 The NEC chip which replaces the 8086 is the V30. I believe it is pin compatible with the 8086, but I don't know from personal experience. I replaced the 8088 in my Heath/Zenith-151 at home with a V20 and experienced about a 20% speed improvement in the sorts of things I do (text editing with MicroEmacs, Microsoft C compilations, PC-File database stuff, etc.). ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 22 Jul 89 14:02:56 CDT From: I-Ming Tsai <TTSAI%MSSTATE.BITNET@CUNYVM.CUNY.EDU> Subject: OPUS BBS Info Hi, does anybody have spec on some of the data files that OPUS uses?? Specifically I would like to have the format to the *.BBS files, especially LASTUSER.BBS and USER.BBS. ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 15 Jul 89 20:10:00 EDT From: TIMOTHY KUPP <KUPP12@UREGINAV.BITNET> Subject: Recommendations on mailorder companies. I am shopping around for an IBM compatible (8088 or 80286 with Herc or EGA graphics and a 20 Mb Hard drive) and thinking of purchasing through mailorder. I would appreciate opinions (both positive and negative) on the reliability, supportiveness, and general business attitude of several companies. If any of you that subscribe to this list are living in Canada and have had experience with American mail order companies, or can recommend some good Canadian mailorder companies (thereby lowering shipping charges) I would very much appreciate hearing from you. List of companies (culled from the pages of Computer Shopper magazine): Micro Generation; New York, NY Express Micromart; West Bloomfield, MI and Houston Texas Micro Parts, Inc.; Ashland, MA Micro Smart Inc.; Ashland, MA Under-Ware Electronics; Wichita, KS Data Dynamics; Signal Hill, CA Tredex; Los Angeles, CA True Data Products; Uxbridge, MA JDR Microdevices; San Jose, CA Disclaimers welcome. Thanks for your help. Timothy Kupp. KUPPTW@UREGINA1 or KUPP12@UREGINAV (Bitnet). ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 22 Jul 89 12:09:07 EDT From: David Kirschbaum <kirsch@braggvax.arpa> Subject: re dBase III format query | Can anyone tell me what the layout for a dBase III+ database (.DBF) file | looks like. I have figured out the field definitions, but the first 32 | bytes contain info like how many records, etc. I would like to know the | layout of this area, | | Thanks, | Bruce Harrison Bruce, I snarfed this long ago .. can't even find the original file! I have a bunch of Turbo Pascal (v3.0) code that deals directly with dBase III .DBF files .. yell if you want it. David Kirschbaum Toad Hall kirsch@braggvax.ARPA ********************* Database file structure The structure of a dBASE III database file is composed of a header and data records. The layout is given below. dBASE III DATABASE FILE HEADER: +---------+-------------------+---------------------------------+ | BYTE | CONTENTS | MEANING | +---------+-------------------+---------------------------------+ | 0 | 1 byte | dBASE III version number | | | | (03H without a .DBT file) | | | | (83H with a .DBT file) | +---------+-------------------+---------------------------------+ | 1-3 | 3 bytes | date of last update | | | | (YY MM DD) in binary format | +---------+-------------------+---------------------------------+ | 4-7 | 32 bit number | number of records in data file | +---------+-------------------+---------------------------------+ | 8-9 | 16 bit number | length of header structure | +---------+-------------------+---------------------------------+ | 10-11 | 16 bit number | length of the record | +---------+-------------------+---------------------------------+ | 12-31 | 20 bytes | reserved bytes (version 1.00) | +---------+-------------------+---------------------------------+ | 32-n | 32 bytes each | field descriptor array | | | | (see below) | --+ +---------+-------------------+---------------------------------+ | | n+1 | 1 byte | 0DH as the field terminator | | +---------+-------------------+---------------------------------+ | | | A FIELD DESCRIPTOR: <------------------------------------------+ +---------+-------------------+---------------------------------+ | BYTE | CONTENTS | MEANING | +---------+-------------------+---------------------------------+ | 0-10 | 11 bytes | field name in ASCII zero-filled | +---------+-------------------+---------------------------------+ | 11 | 1 byte | field type in ASCII | | | | (C N L D or M) | +---------+-------------------+---------------------------------+ | 12-15 | 32 bit number | field data address | | | | (address is set in memory) | +---------+-------------------+---------------------------------+ | 16 | 1 byte | field length in binary | +---------+-------------------+---------------------------------+ | 17 | 1 byte | field decimal count in binary | +---------+-------------------+---------------------------------+ | 18-31 | 14 bytes | reserved bytes (version 1.00) | +---------+-------------------+---------------------------------+ The data records are layed out as follows: 1. Data records are preceeded by one byte that is a space (20H) if the record is not deleted and an asterisk (2AH) if it is deleted. 2. Data fields are packed into records with no field separators or record terminators. 3. Data types are stored in ASCII format as follows: DATA TYPE DATA RECORD STORAGE --------- -------------------------------------------- Character (ASCII characters) Numeric - . 0 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 Logical ? Y y N n T t F f (? when not initialized) Memo (10 digits representing a .DBT block number) Date (8 digits in YYYYMMDD format, such as 19840704 for July 4, 1984) ------------------------------ ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 22 Jul 89 12:09:59 EDT From: David Kirschbaum <kirsch@braggvax.arpa> Subject: Re GIF headers Re: More GIFfer files | Yes, these are Mac files, but with a binary editor of some sort you can | quickly fix them to run on a PC. It seems that a Mac file contains a | header that gives various info to the operating system about the file's | Icon and what programs use the file, etc. This can be striped off. | Looking at a normal PC Giffer file you will notice that the first few | characters are "GIF87". All you need to do is strip off everything before | these characters in the mac files. .... | | If anyone has a better way of converting or stripping the headers off these | files, let me know. Also if you know of other sources of these files post | notice of them. | |Rick Rohan ------------------------------ Rick, Stripping headers from these GIF files should be trivial, if in fact the header extends through and including a unique "GIF87". I'm gonna snarf that PD3:<MACINTOSH.PICT>00README.TXT you referred to (to see if it tells me any more about GIF file structure .. I know nuttin about them!) and will be back on the net with a fast hack of a header stripper utility if feasible. Problems, of course: I am limited to Hercules monochrome graphics, never viewed a GIF file in my life, etc. Maybe it'll work, maybe I can test it, maybe not! But .. watch this space! (By the bye .. are others besides Rick Rohan interested in this?) David Kirschbaum Toad Hall kirsch@braggvax.ARPA ------------------------------ Date: 18 Jul 89 06:36:01 EDT (Tue) From: upaya!tbetz@marob.masa.com (Tom Betz) Subject: Request assistance with "Complete C" In comp.sys.ibm.pc.digest you write: >I have downloaded the "Complete C" package from SIMTEL from pd:<pc-blue> >volumes 532 and 533. >The installation requires running of a program INSTALL.EXE which unpacks >two files COMPC1.CCC and COMPC2.CCC. when running the install I got the >message "Invalid configuration data". I tried changing drives and >directories in the configuration data to no avail. I also reordered the >package (In case of transmission error) again to no avail. Avi, I will forward your question to the Complete C BBS - (212) 956-4535 - and will mail you any response I receive. --- "There are no magicians. There are no hidden | rutgers!lilink!upaya!tbetz people or gurus somewhere in secret. You have | Tom Betz, Greyston Foundation already been given the teaching by the greatest | 114 Woodworth Ave. illuminated sages born." - Gopi Krishna | Yonkers, NY 10701-2509 ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 21 Jul 89 13:42:09 EST From: Joel Saunders <RJFS%SNYCENVM.BITNET@CORNELLC.cit.cornell.edu> Subject: Support tracking and administration program. I am looking for software that will aid in the tracking of support calls for micro hardware and software. It would be good if the data could be exported to Dbase and if the software gave a choice of being made resident. Thanks in advance for your replies. You can send your replies to me and I will summarize for the list. Thanks.... Joel I hope that my opinions are my own..... ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 22 Jul 89 11:48:40 EDT From: Paul.Birkel@K.GP.CS.CMU.EDU Subject: Tax programs I'm looking for pointers to either PD (preferred) or commercial software which will help me handle a major change in finances and employment benefits (hey, I'm graduating). Specifically, there are two incomes and 2 kids. Preschool/child care is getting expensive, there are several payment options, and a number of contributory retirement plans. Without going into details, I _don't_ need a tax program to fill out forms for me. What I do need is something like a spreadsheet/macros which will let me do what-if scenarios for different changes in income, expenditures, tax-deferred investment vehicles, etc. Also, some help in calculating correct with-holding for a 2 income family would be greatly appreciated. So far I have managed adequately with rules-of-thumb and guesstimates. But I'm beginning to get overwhelmed with the various interactions, and flying by the seat of my pants to see what happens doesn't make me very comfy. Money is likely to be tight for the near future, so I'm _not_ interested in hiring "professional" guidance. Just an inexpensive spreadsheet to help me get a handle on the new situation. Or something similar. _Then_ I can go for advice once I understand which questions to ask. MS-DOS or UNIX environment will be fine. Thanks, paul -- Internet: pab@cs.cmu.edu Bitnet: pab%cs.cmu.edu%smtp@interbit CSnet: pab%cs.cmu.edu@relay.cs.net Uucp: ...!seismo!cs.cmu.edu!pab USPS: Paul A. Birkel, School of CS, CMU, Pittsburgh, PA 15213-3890 Voice: (412) 268-8893 ---------- ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 22 Jul 89 09:45:47 CDT From: Chris Daft <CDAFT@vmd.cso.uiuc.edu> Subject: TOPS and Desqview Does anybody have any experience in making TOPS networking software run under DESQview? I can make all my other software, including comms programs, multitask beautifully in a Tandy 4000 with 4Mb of memory, but loading TOPS into a window causes a processor exception, and the system hangs. Many thanks for any pointers to a solution! * Chris M.W. Daft cdaft@vmd.cso.uiuc.edu * * Dept. of Electrical & Computer Engineering Tel: 217/333-9573 * * University of Illinois 217/333-1640 * * 1406 West Green Street Fax: 217/244-0105 * * Urbana, IL 61801 * Acknowledge-To: <CDAFT@UIUCVMD> ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 22 Jul 89 14:32 EST From: "Architecturally, Z-80 can be made to run at 100MHz!" Subject: Turbo Pascal "misimplementations" Also, RX-80 questions. Okay.... After lengthy discussions on the issue with some people on the net, I conceded that what I mentioned as "bugs" in Turbo Pascal are NOT really bugs, but misimplementations, standard or otherwise. 1) EOF(input) is a boolean function, and therefore should return a "false" value rather than waiting until something comes into the buffer and turns out to be ^Z or something. If this IS the way the standard is ofrmulated, I'd call it "illogical." 2) Of course, it would slow down the process too much if there is a conditional jump after EACH and every arithmetic operation, esp. because the 8086 family is NOT exactly optimized for branching (my bias). But, I think it should at least be an option, especially for multiplying, in which case it would add very little to the processing time (5%, maybe?). The programs that ran into the overflows were actually NOT supposed to have done it, but the overflow made me search in the wrong places. An error message would have been very helpful in locating the problem, and thereafter I used "real" type for all possible arithmetic operations, which I bet slows it down to an unmentionable degree, then gradually substituted integer (most of my programs are/were math intensive and extensive). ---------------------------------------- NOW the real question; I have an Epson RX-80 printer which auto-inserts LF for all CR input. How can I turn this off? The dip switches refused to make a difference (besides double-width and such), so I need the control codes. Even if you don't have an RX-80, any Epson code would be helpful (I tried one of the FX printers' code, and it didn't work.) THANK YOU!!! -John Shin ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 20 Jul 89 11:55 EST From: "SEAN L. HILL" <SHILL%HAMPVMS.BITNET@CUNYVM.CUNY.EDU> Subject: VIRUS KILLERS I am in a bind with what may be a virus. If anyone can send me information about a virus killer, commercial or otherwise, I would be most grateful. Please reply directly to me, unless the information is of general interest. Thank you, Sean Hill SHILL@HAMPVMS.BITNET Special Programs, Systems Manager. ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 16 Jul 89 14:40:32 -0400 From: abrams%smiley@gateway.mitre.org Subject: Which CAD/drawing package to use? I am considering two CAD-type drawing packages and would greatly appreciate hearing from anyone with experience on either. I am planning to use these in conjunction with NR, and would also like to hear from folks who are using NR. The packages are both shareware. PC KEY DRAW appears to be more powerful; and the asking price is higher - $100. The alternative is PC Draft II, which goes for $50. PC KEY DRAW appears to be more powerful, but I may not need the power. Also, its manual it somewhat intimidating. I am interested in producing line drawings, not unlike block diagrams or engineering drawings. I want to incorporate these in lecture notes. I am preparing the notes using the NR implementation of nroff by Allen Holub, distributed by M&T Books. I hope to use the .cf (copy file) command in NR. I say "hope" because it currently has a bug in it. I have contacted the author who has inserted my request on his stack. Briefly, the cp command will copy a file directly to the printer without interpretation. If the file is a drawing created by one of the packages above, I think I have found a way to include drawings alonf with text. I am already using EasyChart to produce rectangular drawings and tables using the extended box-drawing characters. I'd be happy to correspond with anyone trying to do similar things. Sincerely, - Marshall D. Abrams, phone: (703) 883-6938 The MITRE Corporation, 7525 Colshire Drive Mail Stop Z506, Mc Lean, VA 22102 best e-mail address: abrams%smiley@gateway.mitre.org ------------------------------ End of INFO-IBMPC Digest V89 Issue #73 **************************************