tim@hoptoad.uucp (Tim Maroney) (11/25/89)
In article <1989Nov23.203152.20791@uokmax.ecn.uoknor.edu> ptgarvin@uokmax.UUCP (Patrick T. Garvin) writes: >Might be a good idea to do the single transferable vote method, since >the poll for all the different names didn't come up with a single >clear winner (it came up with a majority rather than a 2/3rds margin or >anything like that). No, it didn't come up with a majority. It came up with a plurality, which is even weaker. 2/3 of the votes cast were *not* for talk.religion.pagan. And the second place winner, our of six candidates, was for no change at all. Look, let's settle this thing. The results of the existing poll were too indecisive to serve as a basis for action, and as has been pointed out, some people want a new group rather than a renaming. I don't think there's enough interest on tis net in what is now called "new age" metaphysics to sustain a group consisting solely of that, and I don't think it's fair to other occultists for pagans and only pagans to get their own group. So I support a rename with a more inclusive name. Others disagree. I am now calling for votes on these issues. Voting will go on until I receive no votes for a week, or until Yule, whichever comes first. Names of voters will be posted. Please use the following form, putting your response after the "Answer: " lines. 1. Should talk.religion.newage be: a) Left as it is? b) Renamed to something more inclusive, like talk.religion.magic? c) Left as it is, but supplemented with a Neo-Pagan group? d) Left as it is, but supplemented with a general "occult" group? Answer: 2. If you chose anything but (a) for question 1, what would you prefer as the name of the new or renamed group? a) talk.religion.magic b) talk.religion.pagan c) talk.religion.metaphysics d) talk.religion.wicca e) talk.religion.occult f) talk.religion.esoteric g) talk.religion.earth h) other (specify:) Answer: 3. Should the new or existing group (whether a renamed or un-renamed talk.religion.newage or a newly created supplement group) be: a) Moderated? b) Unmoderated? Answer: 4. If you chose moderation (a) in question 3, do you have anyone you would like to nominate as the moderator? If so, please state the name. Answer: Send votes to hoptoad!tim. hoptoad calls (among others) the following sites, any of which may be prefixed to its name (e.g., sun!hoptoad!tim). On a UNIX system, you can use "uuname" to find which of these sites your own system calls. amdahl amdcad apple decwrl gatech lll-crg nsc pacbell portal pyramid sun telebit unisoft utzoo uunet well Internet users may send votes to "tim@toad.com" or "hoptoad!tim@sun.com". Please do vote; if we get another low turnout, then we should assume that "no change" is the winner. -- Tim Maroney, Mac Software Consultant, sun!hoptoad!tim, tim@toad.com "Something was badly amiss with the spiritual life of the planet, thought Gibreel Farishta. Too many demons inside people claiming to believe in God." -- Salman Rushdie, THE SATANIC VERSES
williamt@athena1.Sun.COM (William A. Turnbow) (11/28/89)
In article <9075@hoptoad.uucp> tim@hoptoad.UUCP (Tim Maroney) writes: >Look, let's settle this thing. The results of the existing poll were >too indecisive to serve as a basis for action, and as has been pointed >out, some people want a new group rather than a renaming. ----------- I have seen NO ONE ask for or want a renaming, so why does it keep coming up as a (non-) issue? As for enough traffic to support it, there seems to be quite a bit of non-pagan, newage traffic. Certainly alot more than several newsgroups on my newsrc list that only get traffic once or twice a month. As for whether or not it is fair -- what is fair? We have a group of people that would like to discuss such matters separate from other topics. You could argue that alot of groups are unfair to some other group of people. Like, lets see, ANY religious group, any group for a particular vendor's computers, any group for a particular vendor's OS, etc. The list could go on for quite a bit. So this also is rather a non-issue (or at least should be). The main point should be whether or not there is a group of people that would benefit from the creation of a separate group. -wat- --- An it harm none, do what you will.