[net.dcom] DB-25 Gender

zben@umcp-cs.UUCP (10/19/83)

Wouldn't it be nice if everyone standardized on using FEMALE connectors
for DCE equipment and MALE connectors for DTE equipment?  That way, if
you can physically make the connection, it will be electrically correct.
In my experience nearly all equipment uses FEMALE connectors on fixed
boxes and MALE connectors on cables.  Imagine my delight upon finding
my new H19 with a MALE (DTE) connection on the back.  This also had the
big win that the cable provided was MALE on one end and FEMALE on the
other.  Thus you could use this cable as an extension cord in a pinch.
To my knowledge Heath is the only manufacturer to embrace this standard.

Yesterday a friend told me his brand new U.S. Robotics Password modem
sports a MALE DCE connector.  Sigh.

zben

andree@uokvax.UUCP (10/28/83)

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uokvax!andree    Oct 25 20:55:00 1983

Sorry, but making the DTE hardware male and the DCE hardware female would NOT
guarantee that things would be electrically correct. There are THREE different
signals in the RS-232C that people have used to handshake with (DTR/DSR,
CTS/RTS and CD (gag)).

	<mike

preece@uicsl.UUCP (11/03/83)

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uicsl!preece    Nov  2 08:42:00 1983

I the discussion of the gender of the connector on the Password modem,
which started this, it is described as having a cable with either a
male or female connector (I haven't actually seen one).  This seems
perfectly reasonable if you consider it as giving you the choice of
considering the cable to be either the modem itself or the connecting
cable itself (designed to plug into the device attached to the modem).
The person buying the Password for home use is likely to want to
minimize costs. Cables are expensive. By giving you your choice of
connector you can buy one suitable for plugging into a terminal or into
a computer, depending on what you have (assuming the connector is
appropriately wired for its sex) and avoid buying a separate
connecting cable.

minow@decvax.UUCP (Martin Minow) (11/04/83)

One of the problems with RS232 gender is that many manufacturers
do not understand how to build RS232 ports, and you can find
all kinds of strange systems floating around.  In my lab
at work, we are blessed with an in-circuit emulator which
needs a male-male null modem to connect it to the outside
world.  In fact, if I look around, I can also find female-female
straight-through cables, too (female-female cables are usually
null-modems).

Even when you understand the problems, you may not be able to
offer correct solutions.  DECtalk has two terminal ports which
connect to a host computer and a local terminal respectively.
Since one port is a DTE (DECtalk is a terminal) and the other
is a DCE (DECtalk is the host), we should have one male and
one female connector.  But the field-service people don't have
a male data loopback connector for testing, so we have two
male connectors and will ship a female-female null modem
cable to simplify connection to a local terminal.

Martin Minow
decvax!minow

andree@uokvax.UUCP (11/09/83)

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uokvax!andree    Oct 30 13:32:00 1983

You are correct: CD isn't a handshake line. I spent a rather long afternoon
trying to figure out why my printer wasn't handshaking correctly. It wasn't
until I tried the last resort (reading the manual) that I found out that
they were using CD as a handshake, and ignoring the standard about what
should/shouldn't be used for handshaking.

My point was that getting manufacturers to agree on a gender for the plug
is NOT sufficient to make things work. You have to get them to agree on
what the standard actually says...

	<mike