[comp.os.vms] standalone backups on disks

AWalker@RED.RUTGERS.EDU.UUCP (06/08/87)

Be *real careful* about these -- Stabackit likes to do lots of set file/enter's
which can really screw you when for some reason you don't want the STB root
around anymore.  Your best bet is to look at stabackit.com and rehack it
your own preferred way; your private copy will probably be a lot smaller
and faster, as well.

_H*
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carl@CITHEX.CALTECH.EDU.UUCP (06/08/87)

 > Be *real careful* about  these  --  Stabackit  likes  to  do  lots  of  set
 > file/enter's which can really screw you when for some reason you don't want
 > the STB root around anymore.  Your best bet is to look at stabackit.com and
 > rehack  it your own preferred way; your private copy will probably be a lot
 > smaller and faster, as well.

Stabackit does only ONE "SET FILE/ENTER" worth noting; to wit:   it  uses  the
command:

$ SET FILE/ENTER=SYS$SYSDEVICE:[SYSE]SYSCOMMON.DIR SYSDEVICE:[000000]SYS0.DIR

Now, this DOES mean that any file that  you  delete  from  [SYSE.SYSCOMMON...]
will  likewise  disappear  from  [SYS0....],  but  it has the rather desirable
effect of  obviating  the  necessity  of  copying  all  your  device  drivers,
shareable images, and so forth, from your system directories to the standalone
backup directory.  Stabackit copies only a  handful  of  files  into  its  own
private directory, and these are things like the system parameter files, where
standalone backup and your system want to use different parameter values.   If
you  want  to  get rid of thestandalone backup kit, you need only set one file
/remove, then delete about half a dozen  files  from  the  private  directory.
This  as compared to having a second copy of half your operating system kernal
sitting around on disk.  Given this, any  private  copy  of  stabackit.com  is
likely  to run slower than the one that DEC supplies, to result in more wasted
disk space, and be liable to things like your forgetting to update  the  files
in  your  standalone  backup  directory  when  you  make changes (patches, for
example) to files in your system directories.

tedcrane@batcomputer.tn.cornell.edu (Ted Crane) (06/09/87)

In article <12308746200.44.AWALKER@RED.RUTGERS.EDU> AWalker@RED.RUTGERS.EDU (*Hobbit*) writes:
>Be *real careful* about these -- Stabackit likes to do lots of set file/enter's
>which can really screw you when for some reason you don't want the STB root
>around anymore.  Your best bet is to look at stabackit.com and rehack it
>your own preferred way; your private copy will probably be a lot smaller
>and faster, as well.

Just which SET FILE/ENTERs are you referring to?  Sure, it sets up a
SYSCOMMON pointer back to SYS0 or V4COMMON (depending on how your disk is set
up), but that is necessary in order to avoid having to copy scads of blocks
of drivers and stuff into SYSE!

*FLAME ON*
It would be very interesting to see how a private copy could be smaller.
It would be even more interesting to see how it would be faster!
If you are offering good advice, show it; don't just tell everyone to go
and botch up their systems...especially when it may not be worth it!
*F OFF*