[comp.os.vms] Thoughts On Third Party Maintenance Vendors And DEC's Offering...

CLAYTON@XRT.UPENN.EDU.UUCP (09/29/87)

Information From TSO Financial - The Saga Continues...
Chapter 25 - September 28, 1987

Todd Warnock asks the following about Field Service and other vendors besides
DEC.

	I realize this has surfaced before on the network. Unfortunately, at 
	the time, the information wasn't that important. Now, however, it is.  
	I'd appreciate comments and/or suggestions about 3rd party hardware 
	maintenance.  With who ? Cost effective ? What about success with 
	Digital's FS ?

Our systems are currently under an umbrella contract with price caps with DEC.
This includes several pieces of non-DEC gear. I WILL not have DEC do the
maintenance on the new SI drives I have on the HSC's. I am CONSTANTLY on the
phone with my local unit manager going over problems and solutions as proposed 
by them. Now I have another computer room which is being serviced by a different
field service office and I see my problems growing. The hardest time I have is
getting DEC to appreciate and work with the problems under the constraints that
TSO has. We are NOT 9-5. We are 7 by 24 and NEED ALL systems functional. You
can NOT take a system out for whimsical reasons. To this point, I not feel that
DEC has gotten AND UNDERSTOOD this. Enough said on this for now.

The other third party companies I have dealt with in the past are Grumman
System Support Corporation and TRW. Grumman handled themselves well and 
listened then corrected any problems that I had. The Grumman deal was a 
1.5 Million+ three year agreement that I signed with them.

TRW had a contract to service printers and then a local guy in the company
signed a system wide contract without telling anyone. TRW had problems with
working the printers and their systems people had problems also. Things got
ugly. Enough said.

It is getting a little weird regarding diags to use. TRW bought ICE who wrote
a suite of diags for VAX. TRW in turn licenses them to companies like Grumman.
I have not solved that riddle to this point in time.

The other item to note is that most third party vendors will NOT handle the
85/87/88 type systems. I do not blame them. My local DEC office can NOT handle 
ours. My logic says that when a machine is under test then let the designer
takes care of it. I consider myself to be a TEST site for DEC on the 85/87/88
systems, therfore they can fix them.

The real bottom line is that the service is TOTALLY dependant on the LOCAL
office. If they have problems you will also. The reverse I hear is also true.

Hope this helps. Remember to walk softly and carry a written contract. Baseball
bats also come in handy once in a while. :-)

Paul D. Clayton - Manager Of Systems
TSO Financial - Horsham, Pa. USA
Address - CLAYTON%XRT@CIS.UPENN.EDU