[comp.os.vms] DECnet Phase V

merusi@pwa-b.UUCP (Don Merusi) (01/30/88)

able to shed some truth concerning DECnet Phase V supporting
Phase IV and Phase III nodes. I have heard some inconclusive
information regarding Phase V not supporting Phase III nodes,
and providing compatability with Phase IV nodes for a limited
period of time. Supposedly, subsequent releases of Phase V
and/or Version 5.0 of VMS will not support DECnet connections
to RSX11M/M+/S systems. This is most distressing since we have
a significant requirement to want to have this support, such as
for our DECSA boxes.

LEICHTER@VENUS.YCC.YALE.EDU ("Jerry Leichter ", LEICHTER-JERRY@CS.YALE.EDU) (02/08/88)

[The beginning of this message seems to have gotten cut off, but the meaning
is clear]:

	able to shed some truth concerning DECnet Phase V supporting
	Phase IV and Phase III nodes. I have heard some inconclusive
	information regarding Phase V not supporting Phase III nodes,
	and providing compatability with Phase IV nodes for a limited
	period of time. Supposedly, subsequent releases of Phase V
	and/or Version 5.0 of VMS will not support DECnet connections
	to RSX11M/M+/S systems. This is most distressing since we have
	a significant requirement to want to have this support, such as
	for our DECSA boxes.

ALL the rumors you list here, with one exception, are FALSE.

	a)  The support commitment for DECnet is that connections between
		Phase N nodes and Phase N-1 nodes will work.  Forever.

		That does NOT mean the Phase N-1 node can do anything it
		couldn't do before - Phase III nodes in a Phase IV
		network can't communicate outside of their own area, for
		example.  Presumably similar things will happen to Phase IV
		nodes in a Phase V network.

	b)  The flip side of (a) is that connections between Phase N nodes
		and Phase N-2 nodes are NOT supported.  So a Phase III
		node might not work when connected to a Phase V node.
		(Presumably, a Phase IV node could act as a gateway between
		them.)

	c)  As a consequence of (a), whatever the future of RSX and DECSA
		software, your nodes will continue to work, providing the
		service they do now - AND NO MORE - at least until a so-far
		conjectural Phase VI.

	d)  Finally, there is no connection between Phase V of DECnet and
		Version 5 of VMS - Phase V is considerably further into the
		future than Version 5.
							-- Jerry		

EWR@SEED.AMS.COM (Betsy Ramsey) (02/08/88)

	Quoting from Digital publication "DECnet Digital Network
	Architecture (Phase V)" (Order No. EK-DNAPV-GD, copyright
	Sept 1987 by DEC), which describes DNA as developed by DEC,

	"In keeping with the goals of DNA, a system which implements
	Phase V is fully able to communicate with a Phase IV system.
	A Phase IV network can be migrated gradually to Phase V
	without requiring closely synchronized changes to multiple
	systems.  All of the protocols used in Phase IV are included
	in Phase V systems, although in many cases they will be used
	only for communcation with Phase IV systems.  To the user of a
	DECnet network, the change from Phase IV to Phase V will not
	be apparent, except that the new functions of Phase V will
	gradually become available."


	The document doesn't say anything about Phase III, but I
	assume that Phase III hosts will not be able to communicate
	directly with a Phase V host, although they should be able to
	go through a Phase IV host to a Phase V host.
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IMHW400@INDYVAX.BITNET (02/11/88)

Regarding the anxiety over RSX systems on a Phase V network, I seem to recall
a recent announcement that DECnet/RSX has been upgraded to Phase IV.
Presumably DECSAs and TOPS-20 MCBs will get the upgraded RSX image before
the ax falls....  (It could be worse.  DECnet incarnations also exist on
RT-11 and OS-8(?), and I haven't heard anything about them lately.)
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