dent@unocss.UUCP (David B. Caplinger) (05/21/88)
Does anyone know if the following is possible?
Without actually setting up an account called (for example) "HELP",
is it possible to set up some kind of logical or something to have any
incoming mail addressed to "HELP" (even from bitnet, arpanet, etc)
to be forwarded to a specific person, (for example) "MANAGER"?
It /seems/ like a usefull thing to do, but I have no idea if it can even
be done. Or should I wait for VMS MAIL 5.0 ?
-/ Dave Capligner /--------------+--------------------------------------------
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Omaha, NE 68182 | or dc3a+@andrew.cmu.edujmb@beach.cis.ufl.edu (John M Boof) (05/22/88)
In article <283@unocss.UUCP> dent@unocss.UUCP (David B. Caplinger) writes: >Does anyone know if the following is possible? >Without actually setting up an account called (for example) "HELP", >is it possible to set up some kind of logical or something to have any >incoming mail addressed to "HELP" (even from bitnet, arpanet, etc) >to be forwarded to a specific person, (for example) "MANAGER"? > You can re-route local mail with a system logical, but that won't work with other mail protocols such as used to direct mail through BITNET on the VMS systems I've seen. You need to alter the info in the VMSMAIL file. You can do this with a program, but why not set up an account? You can even delete the account after setting up the forwarding address, since VMSMAIL is not synchronous to the UAF file. ...JMBoof _____________________________________________________________________________ Addresses in order of preference: ARPA-InterNet: VAX/VMS: boof%oak.decnet@pine.circa.ufl.edu or boof@pine.circa.ufl.edu Gould UNIX: jmb@beach.cis.ufl.edu UUCP: Gould UNIX: ... !ihnp4!codas!uflorida!beach.cis.ufl.edu!jmb BITNET: VAX/VMS: boof@ufpine or boof@ifasgnv IBM VM/CMS: $$$YEQ#@NERVM _____________________________________________________________________________
whitfill@hc.DSPO.GOV (Jim Whitfill) (05/22/88)
in article <283@unocss.UUCP>, dent@unocss.UUCP (David B. Caplinger) says: > > > Does anyone know if the following is possible? > > Without actually setting up an account called (for example) "HELP", > is it possible to set up some kind of logical or something to have any > incoming mail addressed to "HELP" (even from bitnet, arpanet, etc) > to be forwarded to a specific person, (for example) "MANAGER"? > > It /seems/ like a usefull thing to do, but I have no idea if it can even > be done. Or should I wait for VMS MAIL 5.0 ? > We do this all the time. What you need to do is: $ DEFINE/SYS/EXE HELP "MANAGER" Where MANAGER is the name of an account. VMSmail tries to translate the recipient field as a logical before it looks for an account. ======================================= Jim A. Whitfill Los Alamos National Laboratory (LANL) Group MEE-10, MS J580 Los Alamos, NM 87545 (505) 667-9282 (ARPAnet ==> whitfill%meediv.xnet@lanl.gov) =======================================
cfchiesa@bsu-cs.UUCP (Christopher Chiesa) (05/23/88)
In article <283@unocss.UUCP>, dent@unocss.UUCP (David B. Caplinger) writes: > > Without actually setting up an account called (for example) "HELP", > is it possible to set up some kind of logical or something to have any > incoming mail addressed to "HELP" (even from bitnet, arpanet, etc) > to be forwarded to a specific person, (for example) "MANAGER"? Wow. You're trying to combine a couple of different things in a way that I don't think Mail (or even VMS at present) let you do. From the sound of it, you want to be able to set something so that mail ad- dressed BY ANY USER (or any external source) to HELP, would automatically be redirected to MANAGER or whatever. The problem is that in VMS mail the redirection of INCOMING mail is handled by the RECIPIENT, using the SET FORWARD command, on an individual basis. If the username referred to doesn't exist, this never has a chance to happen because there's no recipient to have done a SET FORWARD. On the other hand, I can set a logical name in MY VMS process such that *I* can send mail to "A" but have it actually go to "B" as a result of logical- name translation. This, however, applies to OUTGOING mail, is only effective for messages I SEND while the defined logical is in effect, and cannot be used for forwarding. (Technical reason: the forwarding address for each mail user is stored in the system-level VMSMAIL.DAT (or whatever it's called) file, whereas the logical names are NOT.) Judging from the setup of the VMS mail software, you'd have to intercept messages somewhere BETWEEN parsing the sender's "destination" field, and trying to look up the recipient's "forwarding address" field. I.e., you would have to get into the Mail software itself and grab the destination address, then alter it, stick it back in, and let Mail continue. It wouldn't surprise me, though, if the hooks for this are there; how else can Bitnet access be added "after the fact" the way it was done here just recently?! -- UUCP: <backbones>!{iuvax,pur-ee,uunet}!bsu-cs!cfchiesa cfchiesa@bsu-cs.UUCP
mitch@batcomputer.tn.cornell.edu (Mitch Collinsworth) (05/24/88)
>Does anyone know if the following is possible? > >Without actually setting up an account called (for example) "HELP", >is it possible to set up some kind of logical or something to have any >incoming mail addressed to "HELP" (even from bitnet, arpanet, etc) >to be forwarded to a specific person, (for example) "MANAGER"? Just get into mail under an account that has SYSNAM privilege and SET FORWARD/USER=HELP MANAGER An account named HELP doesn't need to exist for this to work. (Yes, I've done this before.) -Mitch Collinsworth mitch@tcgould.tn.cornell.edu
bob@trojan (Bob Firestine) (05/24/88)
In article <283@unocss.UUCP> dent@unocss.UUCP (David B. Caplinger) writes:
++Does anyone know if the following is possible?
++Without actually setting up an account called (for example) "HELP",
++is it possible to set up some kind of logical or something to have any
++incoming mail addressed to "HELP" (even from bitnet, arpanet, etc)
++to be forwarded to a specific person, (for example) "MANAGER"?
As others have suggested, you can use logical names. You can also use
VMSMAIL.DAT even without creating accounts, e.g.,
MAIL> SET FORWARD /USER=HELP MANAGER
You can also edit VMSMAIL.DAT with SYS$SYSROOT:[SYSHELP.EXAMPLES]MAILUAF.COM.
If you use the logical name VMSMAIL to define the location of VMSMAIL.DAT,
i.e., if VMSMAIL.DAT isn't located in SYS$SYSTEM, then you'll have to modify
MAILUAF.COM.
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Schlumberger Technologies bob%sjsca4@spar.slb.com
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408-437-5216 carl@CITHEX.CALTECH.EDU (Carl J Lydick) (05/24/88)
> Does anyone know if the following is possible? It's impossible to tell unless you tell us more about your system. For example, what software are you using to deliver bitnet and arpanet mail? Does it respect VMS mail forwarding? > Without actually setting up an account called (for example) "HELP", > is it possible to set up some kind of logical or something to have any > incoming mail addressed to "HELP" (even from bitnet, arpanet, etc) > to be forwarded to a specific person, (for example) "MANAGER"? For the VMS mail part of it, $ MAIL MAIL> SET FORWARD/USER=HELP MANAGER from an process with SYSNAM priv.
LEICHTER@VENUS.YCC.YALE.EDU ("Jerry Leichter ", LEICHTER-JERRY@CS.YALE.EDU) (05/24/88)
Does anyone know if the following is possible? Without actually setting up an account called (for example) "HELP", is it possible to set up some kind of logical or something to have any incoming mail addressed to "HELP" (even from bitnet, arpanet, etc) to be forwarded to a specific person, (for example) "MANAGER"? It /seems/ like a usefull thing to do, but I have no idea if it can even be done. Or should I wait for VMS MAIL 5.0 ? "Digital Has it Now". Check out the command file SYS$EXAMPLES:MAILUAF.COM - the ADD command, in particular. (If you have MicroVMS rather than VMS, this appears, unfortunately, to be one of the things that got left out to save space. Borrow a copy from a nearby MachoVMS system.) -- Jerry
carson@tron.UUCP (Dana Carson) (05/25/88)
In article <14300@hc.DSPO.GOV> whitfill@hc.DSPO.GOV (Jim Whitfill) writes: >in article <283@unocss.UUCP>, dent@unocss.UUCP (David B. Caplinger) says: >> is it possible to set up some kind of logical or something to have any >> incoming mail addressed to "HELP" (even from bitnet, arpanet, etc) >> to be forwarded to a specific person, (for example) "MANAGER"? >We do this all the time. What you need to do is: >$ DEFINE/SYS/EXE HELP "MANAGER" Be careful with this, it burned me once. System manager had a logical name defined to send SYSTEM to her regular account. I run the linker to link a program that has a module of nonportable stuff called system. I get error message from linker can't find module "managersname". Not fun and can occur anywhere logicals names would get translated. It's better unless you can't to have a disusered account with mail forwarding set for this sort of thing. -- Dana Carson uunet!umbc3!tron!carson
MARK%jrs.jrschan@ICS.UCI.EDU (Mark) (05/25/88)
>> Without actually setting up an account called (for example) "HELP", >> is it possible to set up some kind of logical or something to have any >> incoming mail addressed to "HELP" (even from bitnet, arpanet, etc) >> to be forwarded to a specific person, (for example) "MANAGER"? From an account with SYSNAM privilege, get into MAIL and say set forward/user=help manager The user need not exist. In fact, the forwarding address doesn't have to be a real user, either, although if it isn't and has no forwarding address, mail to it will be rejected. You can set up chains of forwarding addresses if you like: set forward/user=help helper set forward/user=helper postmaster set forward/user=postmaster manager And the destination doesn't need to be on the same node: set forward /user=fred fredsvax::freddie set forward /user=info-vax "in%""info-vax@kl.sri.com""" (The last one is an example using PMDF, the non-local mailer used at this site.) Mark Wadsworth
JONES-D@OSU-20.IRCC.OHIO-STATE.EDU (Dave Jones) (05/26/88)
A suitably privileged user can add an arbitrary username to the VMSMAIL forwarding database without that name being an actual account. In fact, the name kept in the forwarding file doesn't even have to be a valid VMS username (e.g. ALBERT-EINSTEIN). To set up forwarding for HELP, you'd type the command: MAIL> SET FORWARD/USER=HELP SYSTEM Dave Jones Ohio State University 1981 Neil Ave. Rm 406 Columbus OH, 43210 -------
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From: umbc3!tron!carson@umd5.umd.edu (Dana Carson)
Organization: Westinghouse Electronic Systems Group, Baltimore, MD
Subject: Re: Logical Mail Forwarding?
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In article <14300@hc.DSPO.GOV> whitfill@hc.DSPO.GOV (Jim Whitfill) writes:
>in article <283@unocss.UUCP>, dent@unocss.UUCP (David B. Caplinger) says:
>> is it possible to set up some kind of logical or something to have any
>> incoming mail addressed to "HELP" (even from bitnet, arpanet, etc)
>> to be forwarded to a specific person, (for example) "MANAGER"?
>We do this all the time. What you need to do is:
>$ DEFINE/SYS/EXE HELP "MANAGER"
Be careful with this, it burned me once. System manager had a logical
name defined to send SYSTEM to her regular account. I run the linker to
link a program that has a module of nonportable stuff called system. I
get error message from linker can't find module "managersname". Not
fun and can occur anywhere logicals names would get translated. It's
better unless you can't to have a disusered account with mail forwarding
set for this sort of thing.
--
Dana Carson
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Subject: Re: Logical Mail Forwarding?
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>> Without actually setting up an account called (for example) "HELP",
>> is it possible to set up some kind of logical or something to have any
>> incoming mail addressed to "HELP" (even from bitnet, arpanet, etc)
>> to be forwarded to a specific person, (for example) "MANAGER"?
From an account with SYSNAM privilege, get into MAIL and say
set forward/user=help manager
The user need not exist. In fact, the forwarding address doesn't have to be a
real user, either, although if it isn't and has no forwarding address, mail
to it will be rejected.
You can set up chains of forwarding addresses if you like:
set forward/user=help helper
set forward/user=helper postmaster
set forward/user=postmaster manager
And the destination doesn't need to be on the same node:
set forward /user=fred fredsvax::freddie
set forward /user=info-vax "in%""info-vax@kl.sri.com"""
(The last one is an example using PMDF, the non-local mailer used at this site.)
Mark WadsworthJONES-D%OSU-20.IRCC.OHIO-STATE.EDU%KL.SRI.COM%lbl%sfsu1.hepnet@LBL.GOV (05/28/88)
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From: Dave Jones <JONES-D@OSU-20.IRCC.OHIO-STATE.EDU>
Subject: Re: Logical Mail Forwarding?
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In-Reply-To: Message from "dent<%unocss.uucp@umix.cc.umich.edu> (David B. Caplinger)" of Fri 20 May 88 19:49:32-EDT
A suitably privileged user can add an arbitrary username to the VMSMAIL
forwarding database without that name being an actual account. In fact,
the name kept in the forwarding file doesn't even have to be a valid
VMS username (e.g. ALBERT-EINSTEIN).
To set up forwarding for HELP, you'd type the command:
MAIL> SET FORWARD/USER=HELP SYSTEM
Dave Jones
Ohio State University
1981 Neil Ave. Rm 406
Columbus OH, 43210
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Date: 23 May 88 18:03:28 GMT
From: mitch@tcgould.tn.cornell.edu (Mitch Collinsworth)
Organization: Program of Computer Graphics, Cornell University, Ithaca, NY
Subject: Re: Logical Mail Forwarding?
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>Does anyone know if the following is possible?
>
>Without actually setting up an account called (for example) "HELP",
>is it possible to set up some kind of logical or something to have any
>incoming mail addressed to "HELP" (even from bitnet, arpanet, etc)
>to be forwarded to a specific person, (for example) "MANAGER"?
Just get into mail under an account that has SYSNAM privilege and
SET FORWARD/USER=HELP MANAGER
An account named HELP doesn't need to exist for this to work.
(Yes, I've done this before.)
-Mitch Collinsworth
mitch@tcgould.tn.cornell.edusloane@UKANVAX.BITNET (Bob Sloane) (05/28/88)
David B. Caplinger writes: >Does anyone know if the following is possible? >Without actually setting up an account called (for example) "HELP", >is it possible to set up some kind of logical or something to have any >incoming mail addressed to "HELP" (even from bitnet, arpanet, etc) >to be forwarded to a specific person, (for example) "MANAGER"? >... Mail forwarding depends on the data in the VMSMAIL.DAT file under SYS$SYSTEM. You can enter a record for any username, even one that does not exist in SYSUAF.DAT. Digital supplies a routine in SYS$EXAMPLES:MAILUAF.COM which may be used to add or change forwarding in the VMSMAIL.DAT file. To use the routine type: $ @SYS$EXAMPLES:MAILUAF MAILUAF>ADD HELP Forwarding Address?MANAGER and mail sent to user HELP will be forwarded to MANAGER. You will need to have write permission on the VMSAMIL.DAT file. As far as I know, this will work for network mail also. If anyone else has any information, I would like to hear about it. Bob Sloane University of Kansas Computer Center (913) 864-0444 SLOANE@UKANVAX.BITNET SLOANE@KUHUB.CC.UKANS.EDU
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Date: 23 May 88 20:33:55 GMT
From: spar!snjsn1!trojan!bob@decwrl.dec.com (Bob Firestine)
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In article <283@unocss.UUCP> dent@unocss.UUCP (David B. Caplinger) writes:
++Does anyone know if the following is possible?
++Without actually setting up an account called (for example) "HELP",
++is it possible to set up some kind of logical or something to have any
++incoming mail addressed to "HELP" (even from bitnet, arpanet, etc)
++to be forwarded to a specific person, (for example) "MANAGER"?
As others have suggested, you can use logical names. You can also use
VMSMAIL.DAT even without creating accounts, e.g.,
MAIL> SET FORWARD /USER=HELP MANAGER
You can also edit VMSMAIL.DAT with SYS$SYSROOT:[SYSHELP.EXAMPLES]MAILUAF.COM.
If you use the logical name VMSMAIL to define the location of VMSMAIL.DAT,
i.e., if VMSMAIL.DAT isn't located in SYS$SYSTEM, then you'll have to modify
MAILUAF.COM.
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Schlumberger Technologies bob%sjsca4@spar.slb.com
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San Jose CA 95115
408-437-5216 carl%CitHex.Caltech.EDU%KL.SRI.COM%lbl%sfsu1.hepnet@LBL.GOV (05/29/88)
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From: carl@CitHex.Caltech.Edu (Carl J Lydick)
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Subject: Re: Logical Mail Forwarding?
In-Reply-To: Your message <283@unocss.UUCP> dated 20-May-1988
To: nancy!eecae!upba!unocss!dent@umix.cc.umich.edu,
info-vax@CitHex.Caltech.Edu
> Does anyone know if the following is possible?
It's impossible to tell unless you tell us more about your system. For
example, what software are you using to deliver bitnet and arpanet mail?
Does it respect VMS mail forwarding?
> Without actually setting up an account called (for example) "HELP",
> is it possible to set up some kind of logical or something to have any
> incoming mail addressed to "HELP" (even from bitnet, arpanet, etc)
> to be forwarded to a specific person, (for example) "MANAGER"?
For the VMS mail part of it,
$ MAIL
MAIL> SET FORWARD/USER=HELP MANAGER
from an process with SYSNAM priv.cfchiesa@bsu-cs.UUCP (Christopher Chiesa) (06/01/88)
I don't know about any other sites, of course, but here at bsu-cs this news-
group has been getting flooded by what appear to be "bounced" or "forwarded"
copies of nearly every article that's been posted in the recent past. The
FROM lines look like this:
From iuvax!rutgers!ucsd!ucbvax!LBL.GOV!carl%CitHex.Caltech.EDU%KL.SRI.COM%lbl%sfsu1.hepnet Sat May 28 19:45:55 1988
From: carl%CitHex.Caltech.EDU%KL.SRI.COM%lbl%sfsu1.hepnet@LBL.GOV
The contents of the messages posted invariably consist of up to 40 "Received
from" lines, a la "bounced" e-mail. I conjecture that this user's account has
been removed, but not his Mail forwarding record.
I don't know how to decipher all the percent-signs and greater-than signs and
whatnot in that path -- this is the most TWISTED address I've seen on the net
to date. Can SOMEONE PLEASE contact this person or site and alert them to the
problem? This newsgroup fills up fast enough as it is, without having to worry
about many-headered duplicate messages.
Thanks in advance,
Chris Chiesa
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cfchiesa@bsu-cs.UUCP carson@tron.UUCP (Dana Carson) (06/01/88)
In article <14300@hc.DSPO.GOV> whitfill@hc.DSPO.GOV (Jim Whitfill) writes: >in article <283@unocss.UUCP>, dent@unocss.UUCP (David B. Caplinger) says: >> is it possible to set up some kind of logical or something to have any >> incoming mail addressed to "HELP" (even from bitnet, arpanet, etc) >> to be forwarded to a specific person, (for example) "MANAGER"? >We do this all the time. What you need to do is: >$ DEFINE/SYS/EXE HELP "MANAGER" Be careful with this, it burned me once. System manager had a logical name defined to send SYSTEM to her regular account. I run the linker to link a program that has a module of nonportable stuff called system. I get error message from linker can't find module "managersname". Not fun and can occur anywhere logicals names would get translated. -- Dana Carson uunet!umbc3!tron!carson
ERICMC@USU.BITNET (Eric Tye McQueen) (06/02/88)
In <3206@bsu-cs.UUCP> from comp.os.vms Chris Chiesa wrote: > ...this news-group has been getting flooded by what appear to be "bounced" or > "forwarded" copies of nearly every article... > From: carl%CitHex.Caltech.EDU%KL.SRI.COM%lbl%sfsu1.hepnet@LBL.GOV > Can SOMEONE PLEASE contact this person or site and alert them to the problem? I contacted postmaster@kl.sri.com as soon as I noticed the bounced messages (Saturday). I was informed that they weren't the source of the problem but asked them to look into it. Sunday some new messages came in that made it clear that the problem was that ksimpson%sfsu1.hepnet@LBL.GOV has his mail forwarded to info-vax@kl.sri.com. I sent off a note to postmaster%sfsu1.hepnet @LBL.GOV but have gotten no reply. If the problem continues and anyone out there is closer than I to sfsu1.hepnet, please drop a polite note to someone on that node and ask them to nuke the forwarding address. Thanks, Eric Tye McQueen (801) 753-4683 P.O. Box 159 ericmc@usu.bitnet Soon to be ericmc@cc.usu.edu Logan, Utah 84321 (unless I find a real job) UUCP: ...{psuvax1,uunet}!usu.bitnet!ericmc "I'm going to leave before Arpa: ericmc%usu.bitnet@cunyvm.cuny.edu someone baptizes me or something."