[comp.os.vms] Regis on GPX

ockenden@prlhp1.prl.philips.co.uk (Paul T Ockenden) (07/11/88)

Has anyone hacked the 'undocumented' UIS$ logicals enough to enable the
GPX 220 emulator to display Regis ?? (I *know* it's in there somewhere..)

Among the 'things' I've managed to hack out of it so far are multi-colour
VT-200s (i.e. each one with a different forground / background), live icons
(i.e. shrink to icon gives a tiny but updated vt220 window), etc etc...

Also, I think that the driver supports a cut & paste option, but I've not
been able to enable that either....

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jnh@ece-csc.UUCP (Joseph Nathan Hall) (07/15/88)

In article <518@prlhp1.prl.philips.co.uk> ockenden@prlhp1.prl.philips.co.uk (Paul T Ockenden) writes:
 Has anyone hacked the 'undocumented' UIS$ logicals enough to enable the
 GPX 220 emulator to display Regis ?? (I *know* it's in there somewhere..)
 
 Among the 'things' I've managed to hack out of it so far are multi-colour
 VT-200s (i.e. each one with a different forground / background), live icons
 (i.e. shrink to icon gives a tiny but updated vt220 window), etc etc...
 
Hey, some of us (myself in particular) would *LOVE* to see some of this
stuff posted.


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nagy%warner.hepnet@LBL.GOV (Frank J. Nagy, VAX Wizard & Guru) (07/20/88)

> Has anyone hacked the 'undocumented' UIS$ logicals enough to enable the
> GPX 220 emulator to display Regis ?? (I *know* it's in there somewhere..)
     
This is supported in VWS V3.3.  If you are on software maintenance, you
should have or receive it soon.  We have been running V3.3 for about
a week now with no problems.

> Among the 'things' I've managed to hack out of it so far are multi-colour
> VT-200s (i.e. each one with a different forground / background), live icons
> (i.e. shrink to icon gives a tiny but updated vt220 window), etc etc...
     
Also supported and documented under VWS V3.3.

> Also, I think that the driver supports a cut & paste option, but I've not
> been able to enable that either....
     
Ditto for V3.3.  The logical names are:

	$ define/system	uis$vt_enable_copy	true	!Allow CUT and PASTE
	$ define/system	uis$vt_enable_paste	true

There is also the following to use the 132-column font in your 80-column
VT220 window.  I use this and get 4 VT220 windows on screen simultaneously
without any of the windows overlapping.

	$ define/system	UIS$VT_FONT_DEFAULT	132


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NED@YMIR.BITNET (Ned Freed) (07/21/88)

In order to enable cut and paste on UIS, you must define the following
logical names:

    UIS$VT_ENABLE_COPY  ==> TRUE
    UIS$VT_ENABLE_LOCATOR  ==> TRUE
    UIS$VT_ENABLE_PASTE ==> TRUE

These must be defined before UIS is started or it won't work. If you do this,
you'll have cut and paste facilities -- middle mouse button marks a region
and the right mouse button pastes it into the terminal input buffer of the
window the pointer is in.

THIS IS NOT SUPPORTED BY DEC. USE IT AT YOUR OWN RISK!

Caveats aside, I've had then enabled ever since DECUS Anaheim where I found
out about them, and they've worked fine for me. Your experiences may be
different, of course. This stuff is documented in VWS 4.0.

                                Ned

ockenden@prlhp1.prl.philips.co.uk (Paul T Ockenden) (07/21/88)

In article <3716@ece-csc.UUCP> jnh@ece-csc.UUCP (Joseph Nathan Hall) writes:
>In article <518@prlhp1.prl.philips.co.uk> ockenden@prlhp1.prl.philips.co.uk (Paul T Ockenden) writes:
>> Has anyone hacked the 'undocumented' UIS$ logicals enough to enable the
>> GPX 220 emulator to display Regis ?? (I *know* it's in there somewhere..)
>> 
>> Among the 'things' I've managed to hack out of it so far are multi-colour
>> VT-200s (i.e. each one with a different forground / background), live icons
>> (i.e. shrink to icon gives a tiny but updated vt220 window), etc etc...
> 
>Hey, some of us (myself in particular) would *LOVE* to see some of this
>stuff posted.
>
Okay, as of VWS 3.2, you can get multi colored VT220s by DEFINE /SYS /EXEC
UIS$VT_PRIVATE_COLOR_MAP TRUE   Thereafter, any new VT220s started will
use the color defined in PREFFERED COLORS rather than the normal window
colors, and even if you change the prefered colors after starting up a 220,
the 220 will hold it's startup colors unless you to a RESET TERMINAL from
the additional options menu. I've also found out that unlike *any* other
DEC color terminal I've seen, the 220 with private_color_map will respond
to the extended ANSI color sequences.... <esc>[nm   where n = 30-37 for
the forground color and 40-47 for the background color.

Live Icons are fun... DEF /SYS /EXEC UIS$VT_ENABLE_LIVE_ICON, then delete
all of your current 220s, and start some new ones up - then try the SHRINK
TO ICON option.... Nice.... You get a mini version of your screen in a 
2pt Font... and it's even updated ...... (There is more to this, but I'm
not near my terminal at the moment.. If I find it's anything important
I'll post that as well...)

[It was really hard writing 'COLOR' through this article - we call it
'COLOUR' here, but as the majority of GPX owners seem to be on the other
side of the pond.....]



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hydrovax@nmtsun.nmt.edu (M. Warner Losh) (07/23/88)

In article <533@prlhp1.prl.philips.co.uk>, ockenden@prlhp1.prl.philips.co.uk
(Paul T Ockenden) writes:
> Okay, as of VWS 3.2,
[...]
> Live Icons are fun... DEF /SYS /EXEC UIS$VT_ENABLE_LIVE_ICON, then delete
> all of your current 220s, and start some new ones up - then try the SHRINK
> TO ICON option.... Nice.... You get a mini version of your screen in a 
> 2pt Font... and it's even updated ......

Well, I'm afraid that those of us who don't have GPX don't get to have
this feature.  I'm running VMS 4.5 and VWS 3.2 on a VAXstation II (no
GPX) and just tried what you suggested.  I defined
UIS$VT_ENABLE_LIVE_ICON to "True" and it didn't work, even after
getting rid of all of my 220 windows.

When we have a shrunk icon that gets new data, the words "NEW DATA"
appear in the icon.  This is the case whether or not the logical is
defined.  This is NOT in 3.0, but is in 3.2.

Yet another reason to buy a VAXstation 8000  :-)

> Paul Ockenden  Philips Radiotheapy Systems, Crawley, UK  +44 293 28787 x 4349

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eklund@UW-DTRL.EE.WASHINGTON.EDU (Mike Eklund) (07/28/88)

Having seen vws 3.3 in action and the release notes for vws 4.0 I can say
that live vt-220 windows are supported in 3.3 .  In 4.0 regis is supported
on the gpx.  I haven't tried vws 4.0 yet but will in about 2 weeks.
Mike Eklund
Electrical Engineering Dept
Univ. of Washington

gkn@SDS.SDSC.EDU (Gerard K. Newman) (07/29/88)

    From:    unmvax!nmtsun!hydrovax@ucbvax.Berkeley.EDU  (M. Warner Losh)
    Subject: Re: Regis on GPX
    Date:    22 Jul 88 17:59:10 GMT
    Organization: NMT Hydrology program

    In article <533@prlhp1.prl.philips.co.uk>, ockenden@prlhp1.prl.philips.co.uk
    (Paul T Ockenden) writes:
    > Okay, as of VWS 3.2,
    [...]
    > Live Icons are fun... DEF /SYS /EXEC UIS$VT_ENABLE_LIVE_ICON, then delete
    > all of your current 220s, and start some new ones up - then try the SHRINK
    > TO ICON option.... Nice.... You get a mini version of your screen in a 
    > 2pt Font... and it's even updated ......

    Well, I'm afraid that those of us who don't have GPX don't get to have
    this feature.  I'm running VMS 4.5 and VWS 3.2 on a VAXstation II (no
    GPX) and just tried what you suggested.  I defined
    UIS$VT_ENABLE_LIVE_ICON to "True" and it didn't work, even after
    getting rid of all of my 220 windows.

On my VS-2000 I can get live icons to work only if my terminal type is set
to something besides VT200 series (like VT100, for example).

    Yet another reason to buy a VAXstation 8000  :-)

I have two of those critters here, and they are pretty neat (I also have some
SGI Iris 4D-70Ts, and some Apollo 590Ts, so they're in pretty heady company).
I'm told by the graphics types around here that their hardware anti-aliasing
capabilities are the best they've ever seen.

They don't run UIS, they run a mangled version of X called HPWS (High
Performance Windowing System).

HPWS .neq. DECwindows, btw.

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LEICHTER@VENUS.YCC.YALE.EDU ("Jerry Leichter ", LEICHTER-JERRY@CS.YALE.EDU) (07/30/88)

	> Okay, as of VWS 3.2,
	[...]
	> Live Icons are fun... DEF /SYS /EXEC UIS$VT_ENABLE_LIVE_ICON, then
	> delete all of your current 220s, and start some new ones up - then
	> try the SHRINK TO ICON option.... Nice.... You get a mini version of
	> your screen in a 2pt Font... and it's even updated ......

	Well, I'm afraid that those of us who don't have GPX don't get to have
	this feature.  I'm running VMS 4.5 and VWS 3.2 on a VAXstation II (no
	GPX) and just tried what you suggested.  I defined
	UIS$VT_ENABLE_LIVE_ICON to "True" and it didn't work, even after
	getting rid of all of my 220 windows.

	When we have a shrunk icon that gets new data, the words "NEW DATA"
	appear in the icon.  This is the case whether or not the logical is
	defined.  This is NOT in 3.0, but is in 3.2.

My, what a load of confusion from one little type in the original message!

The hardware (GPX vs. MicroVAX II vs. MicroVAX 2000 vs. ...) has nothing at
all to do with this.  These are features of VWS V3.3, which are not in VWS
V3.2.  Install VWS V3.3, and low and behold, you won't have to buy a GPX.
You get a bunch of other handy new features, too - copy and paste from window
to window for example.

Just for completeness:  VWS V3.3 runs on VMS versions V4.6 and V4.7.  VWS V4.0
runs on VMS version V5.0 and later.  They are functionally identical, as far
as I can tell, but because of internal changes neither will run on the other's
OS base.

	Yet another reason to buy a VAXstation 8000  :-)

Try again; VWS doesn't run on an 8000.  On the other hand, X (eventually
DECwindows) does.  Different set of strong points, different set of problems.

Myself, having lived through the bad old days of VWS V1.0, when a crash was
always just a keystroke away and even when it worked it didn't do much, I've
rather come to like VWS.
								-- Jerry

SNJACOB@LSUVM.BITNET (Mike Jacobson) (08/02/88)

I think the problem is that you need to get the VWS v3.3. (or v4.0 if you
have gone to VMS v5.0) we use the live icon on Vaxstation II's, and monochrome
VAXstatiuon 2000's. VWS 3.3 has some really nice features. It now supports
vt240 regis graphics and you can use the mouse to copy blocks of text
between windows. If you have a software support contract call your local
office and tell them you did not get your upgrade. we have had v3.3 for 3 weeks
and v4.0 for 2 weeks.

Mike Jacobson
Networks Manager
System Network Computer Ccenter
Louisiana State University
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LEICHTER@VENUS.YCC.YALE.EDU ("Jerry Leichter ", LEICHTER-JERRY@CS.YALE.EDU) (08/03/88)

Sigh.  More "almost correct" comments about copy & paste on VWS:

	In order to enable cut and paste on UIS, you must define the following
	logical names:

	    UIS$VT_ENABLE_COPY  ==> TRUE
Yes.
	    UIS$VT_ENABLE_LOCATOR  ==> TRUE

Probably irrelevant.

	    UIS$VT_ENABLE_PASTE ==> TRUE
Yes.

In addition, these must be define /SYSTEM and PROBABLY /EXEC.

	These must be defined before UIS is started or it won't work.

The values are sampled whenever a terminal emulator window is created.  If you
set them after VWS starts up, any new windows will have working copy and
paste.  You can also force old windows to get re-created by doing a "Reset
Terminal" in the "Additional Options" menus.
								      If you
	do this, you'll have cut and paste facilities -- middle mouse button
	marks a region and the right mouse button pastes it into the terminal
	input buffer of the window the pointer is in.

In addition, the leftmost button cancels a pending copy, and the hitting the
rightmost one right away does a copy with an immediate paste.

	THIS IS NOT SUPPORTED BY DEC. USE IT AT YOUR OWN RISK!

In VWS V3.2, it works but is undocumented and unsupported.  In VWS V3.3 or
VWS V4.0, it is documented and supported, BUT IT ISN'T EXACTLY THE SAME.
Read the documentation for details - the V3.3/V4.0 version is essentially a
superset, but it is NOT 100% compatible.

	Caveats aside, I've had then enabled ever since DECUS Anaheim where I
	found out about them, and they've worked fine for me. Your experiences
	may be different, of course. This stuff is documented in VWS 4.0.

							-- Jerry