terryt@cs.athabascau.ca (Terry Tanski) (01/26/91)
I was wondering if anyone could supply me with the Motif window
manager client binary for VMS. I don't need and sources or libraries
just the binary.
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..........**** terryt@cs.AthabascaU.CAtaylort@decus.com.au (Trevor Taylor) (02/24/91)
In article <634@aupair.cs.athabascau.ca>, terryt@cs.athabascau.ca (Terry Tanski) writes: > I was wondering if anyone could supply me with the Motif window > manager client binary for VMS. I don't need and sources or libraries > just the binary. I've waited and waited for somebody to reply yo this posting, but nothing ... So ... I decided to throw in my two cents worth. Firstly, this request amounts to software piracy as it is written. I am not starting a flame -- so please hear me out. I suspect that the request comes more as a result of a lack of knowledge than a deliberate attempt to "acquire" software illegally. Now to the technical issues: There are two versions of mwm currently available from DEC: 1) V1.0 mwm 2) V1.1 mwm The first of these is an enormous image because it was linked with a set of object libraries for Motif. It has a number of serious deficiencies. The second one will not run without the shared libraries that make up Motif, and so requesting the mwm binary makes no sense. In either case, there is a PAK to be installed. I don't really know if mwm uses LMF, so it may or may not run without the PAK. Motif will become part of VMS DECwindows in Version 3.0 which is due out later this year. At the moment, you have to buy the kit. If you wait, and you are on maintenance, you will get it for free. I don't know how DEC will handle all the licence fees due to OSF for this, but that is their problem. Interestingly, all new VAXstations now come with a Motif PAK. My suggestion is to wait, unless you have itchy fingers :-) /*--------------------------------------------------------------------*/ /* Trevor Taylor E-Mail: TaylorT@decus.com.au */ /* P.O. Box 155 T.Taylor@praxa.com.au */ /* Aspley 4034 Phone: +(61) 7 369-8100 */ /* Australia Fax: +(61) 7 369-0722 */ /*--------------------------------------------------------------------*/
datri@convex.com (Anthony A. Datri) (02/25/91)
>> I was wondering if anyone could supply me with the Motif window >> manager client binary for VMS. >Firstly, this request amounts to software piracy as it is written. How so? The post didn't explicitly ask for the OSF's Motif toolkit. Unless I'm confused, "Motif" is a way things look, not a product. NCD's latest software sticks a non-OSF mwm into the server, as I understand. -- -- In MDDT no one can hear you scream
kaleb@thyme.jpl.nasa.gov (Kaleb Keithley) (02/26/91)
In article <1991Feb25.003901.2719@convex.com> datri@convex.com (Anthony A. Datri) writes: >>> I was wondering if anyone could supply me with the Motif window >>> manager client binary for VMS. > >>Firstly, this request amounts to software piracy as it is written. > >How so? The post didn't explicitly ask for the OSF's Motif toolkit. Unless >I'm confused, "Motif" is a way things look, not a product. NCD's latest >software sticks a non-OSF mwm into the server, as I understand. > Yes, but NCDwm is *not* mwm. He asked for the *Motif* window manager binary. That strikes me as pretty explicit. But, if all he wants is something that looks like mwm, why not gwm using the Motif configuration? -- Kaleb Keithley kaleb@thyme.jpl.nasa.gov As of right now, I'm in charge here now... Alexander Haig. Voodoo Economics, that's what it is, voodoo economics. George Bush
taylort@decus.com.au (Trevor Taylor) (02/26/91)
In article <1991Feb25.003901.2719@convex.com>, datri@convex.com (Anthony A. Datri) writes: >>> I was wondering if anyone could supply me with the Motif window >>> manager client binary for VMS. > >>Firstly, this request amounts to software piracy as it is written. > > How so? The post didn't explicitly ask for the OSF's Motif toolkit. Unless > I'm confused, "Motif" is a way things look, not a product. NCD's latest > software sticks a non-OSF mwm into the server, as I understand. PLEASE NOTE: I do *NOT* want to start a great debate here! I would like to hear some comment from OSF on this. The mwm that DEC sells most certainly came from OSF sources. There is a royalty due for the toolkit, and mwm definitely uses the toolkit. However, my understanding is that application developers do not have to pay any royalty so long as they do not distribute the toolkit. So is mwm a DEC application or does it belong to OSF??? With that I bow out of the discussion ... :-) /*--------------------------------------------------------------------*/ /* Trevor Taylor E-Mail: TaylorT@decus.com.au */ /* P.O. Box 155 T.Taylor@praxa.com.au */ /* Aspley 4034 Phone: +(61) 7 369-8100 */ /* Australia Fax: +(61) 7 369-0722 */ /*--------------------------------------------------------------------*/
dbrooks@osf.org (David Brooks) (02/27/91)
taylort@decus.com.au (Trevor Taylor) writes: |> I would like to hear some comment from OSF on this. The mwm that |> DEC sells most certainly came from OSF sources. There is a royalty |> due for the toolkit, and mwm definitely uses the toolkit. However, |> my understanding is that application developers do not have to |> pay any royalty so long as they do not distribute the toolkit. |> So is mwm a DEC application or does it belong to OSF??? Under the terms of the license, shipping mwm requires a binary royalty payment, if it is derived from our sources. -- David Brooks dbrooks@osf.org Systems Engineering, OSF uunet!osf.org!dbrooks "It's not easy, but it is simple."