[unix-pc.general] Miniscribe Drives for the unix-pc

cmv@looney.UUCP (11/24/87)

I just got a bunch of spec sheets from Miniscribe that talk about
their line of ST-412/506 5 1/4" Winchester Hard disk drives (there's a good
trivia question, why is it called the ST412/506 standard?? I've no idea!)
and thought some folks would be interested in the results, so here they are!

Miniscribe

Model	Height	Size (fmtted)	Ave Seek	Heads:		Recording
		formatted	time		Cylinders	Method
=========================================================================
3212+	Half	12.75MBytes	53msec		2:615		MFM
3425+	Half	21.40MBytes	53msec		4:615		MFM
3438+	Half	32.70MBytes	53msec		4:615		2,7RLL
3650	Half	42.25MBytes	61msec		6:809		MFM
6032	Full	26.70MBytes	28msec		3:1024		MFM
6053	Full	44.60MBytes	28msec		5:1024		MFM
6079	Full	68.80MBytes	28msec		5:1024		2,7RLL
6085	Full	71.30Mbytes	28msec		8:1024		MFM
6128	Full	110.1Mbytes	28msec		8:1024		2,7RLL

Now, a few questions to any guru's out there in general. As I understand
things (which isn't saying much) the Modified Frequency Modulated (MFM)
encoding that is used for recording the information on the disk, is being
replaced by the 2,7 Run Length Limited (RLL) coding to boost the capacity
of the hard disk (I got this information from EDN magazine p57 September 3,
1987). My question is what does this mean to us unix-pc folks? Can I go out
and buy a Miniscribe 3438+ and simply install it in my stock 7300 and it will
work? If not, can I get it to work by simply exchanging the WD1010 chip with
a WD2010 chip, or is there more to it than that? I really don't understand
the impact of this 2,7RLL enough to know what to do, any help is much
appreciated.

Craig Votava
[ihnp4!]looney!cmv

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cmv@looney.UUCP (11/25/87)

As usual, right after I typed this in, I got a bunch of additional information
on other drives, so here's an updated list with more info...


Model	Height	Size 		Ave Seek	Heads:		Recording
		unformatted	time		Cylinders	Method
=========================================================================
----------------------------CONTROL DATA---------------------------------
FWCDC48	Full	48.20MBytes	28msec		5:925		MFM
FWCDC85	Full	85.30MBytes	28msec		8:1024		MFM
-------------------------------MAXTOR------------------------------------
XT1085	Full	85.30MBytes	28msec		8:1024		MFM
XT1120	Full	127.9MBytes	28msec		8:1024		2,7RLL
XT1140	Full	143.5MBytes	27msec		15:918		MFM
XT2190	Full	191.2MBytes	30msec		15:1224		MFM
-----------------------------MICROPOLIS----------------------------------
1333A	Full	53.30MBytes	30msec		5:1024		MFM
1335	Full	85.30MBytes	30msec		8:1024		MFM
-----------------------------MINISCRIBE----------------------------------
		**formatted**
		*****size****
3212+	Half	12.75MBytes	53msec		2:615		MFM
3425+	Half	21.40MBytes	53msec		4:615		MFM
3438+	Half	32.70MBytes	53msec		4:615		2,7RLL
3650	Half	42.25MBytes	61msec		6:809		MFM
6032	Full	26.70MBytes	28msec		3:1024		MFM
6053	Full	44.60MBytes	28msec		5:1024		MFM
6079	Full	68.80MBytes	28msec		5:1024		2,7RLL
6085	Full	71.30Mbytes	28msec		8:1024		MFM
6128	Full	110.1Mbytes	28msec		8:1024		2,7RLL
--------------------------------PRIAM------------------------------------
ID40	Full	51.10MBytes	28msec		5:981		MFM
ID45H	Half	53.20MBytes	28msec		5:1024		MFM
ID60	Full	71.50MBytes	28msec		7:981		MFM
ID130	Full	159.9MBytes	28msec		15:1024		MFM
-------------------------------SEAGATE-----------------------------------
ST225	Half	25.60MBytes	20msec		4:615		MFM
ST238R	Half	38.40MBytes	20msec		4:615		2,7RLL
ST251	Half	51.20MBytes	40msec		6:820		MFM
ST277R	Half	76.90MBytes	40msec		6:829		2,7RLL
ST4038	Full	38.20MBytes	40msec		5:733		MFM
ST4053	Full	50.90MBytes	40msec		5:1024		MFM
ST4096	Full	96.00MBytes	28msec		9:1024		MFM
=========================================================================

cmv@looney.UUCP (12/03/87)

Once again, I'm updating my list of ST-506 hard disk drives. This new info
came out of a table from Mini-Micro Systems Magazine  (p111, November 1987).
One thing to note, if you look at this table, there are a lot of listings
for drives with something greater than 191.2 MBytes. As far as I can tell,
these products really are drives from other companies that are modified in
some way (i.e. a different controller) to squeeze out the extra space. This
type of product will not work with the Western Digital controller in the
unix-pc, so take the information in table with a grain of salt.

Before I start, there are 2 things. First, I still don't understand much 
about how 2,7RLL encoding affects the st-506 interface. Can I drop a drive
into a stock unix-pc that has 2,7RLL encoding and have it work without any
other modification or not? Any help here would be appreciated! Secondly,
I want to mention that I don't if any of these drives actually work with
the unix-pc other than the fact that they are advertised as ST-506 copmatible.
If you KNOW that they work, let me know and I'll post results when appropriate.
By the way, the ST-506 drive that wins the capacity prize is Priam Corp's model
519 drive weighing in at 191.2MBytes (San Jose CA 408/946-4600), any
experience out in netland with this baby?

Anyway, here is the most complete list I can compile right now:

Model	Height	Size 		Ave Seek	Heads:		Recording
		unformatted	time		Cylinders	Method
=========================================================================
----------------------------CONTROL DATA---------------------------------
FWCDC48	Full	48.20MBytes	28msec		5:925		MFM
94205-51 Half	51.__MBytes	28msec		?		?
FWCDC85	Full	85.30MBytes	28msec		8:1024		MFM
94155-86 Full	86.__MBytes	28msec		9:925		MFM
-------------------------DIGITAL EQUIPMENT CORP--------------------------
RD32	Half	51.__MBytes	48msec		?		?
RD53	Full	85.__MBytes	38msec		?		?
RD54	Full	191._MBytes	38msec		?		?
-------------------------------FUJITSU-----------------------------------
M2243R	Half	129._MBytes	29msec		?		?
-------------------------------HITACHI-----------------------------------
DK521	Half	51.40MBytes	25msec		?		?
-------------------------------MAXTOR------------------------------------
XT1085	Full	85.30MBytes	28msec		8:1024		MFM
XT1120	Full	127.9MBytes	28msec		8:1024		2,7RLL
XT1140	Full	143.5MBytes	27msec		15:918		MFM
XT2190	Full	191.2MBytes	30msec		15:1224		MFM
-----------------------------MICROPOLIS----------------------------------
1333A	Full	53.30MBytes	30msec		5:1024		MFM
1335	Full	85.30MBytes	30msec		8:1024		MFM
----------------------------MICROSCIENCE---------------------------------
HH-1050	Full	53.35MBytes	28msec		?		?
HH-4050	Full	53.35MBytes	18msec		?		?
-----------------------------MINISCRIBE----------------------------------
		**formatted**
		*****size****
3212+	Half	12.75MBytes	53msec		2:615		MFM
3425+	Half	21.40MBytes	53msec		4:615		MFM
3438+	Half	32.70MBytes	53msec		4:615		2,7RLL
3650	Half	42.25MBytes	61msec		6:809		MFM
6032	Full	26.70MBytes	28msec		3:1024		MFM
6053	Full	44.60MBytes	28msec		5:1024		MFM
6079	Full	68.80MBytes	28msec		5:1024		2,7RLL
6085	Full	71.30MBytes	28msec		8:1024		MFM
6128	Full	110.1MBytes	28msec		8:1024		2,7RLL
---------------------------NEWBURY DATA INC------------------------------
NDR1000	Full	65.__MBytes	25msec		?		?
NDR2000 Full	190._MBytes	28msec		?		?
--------------------------------PRIAM------------------------------------
ID40	Full	51.10MBytes	28msec		5:981		MFM
ID45H	Half	53.20MBytes	28msec		5:1024		MFM
ID60	Full	71.50MBytes	28msec		7:981		MFM
ID130	Full	159.9MBytes	28msec		15:1024		MFM
519	Full	191.2MBytes	22msec		?		?
-----------------------------RODIME INC----------------------------------
RO5090	Full	89.__MBytes	28msec		?		?
-------------------------------SEAGATE-----------------------------------
ST225	Half	25.60MBytes	20msec		4:615		MFM
ST238R	Half	38.40MBytes	20msec		4:615		2,7RLL
ST251	Half	51.20MBytes	40msec		6:820		MFM
ST277R	Half	76.90MBytes	40msec		6:829		2,7RLL
ST4038	Full	38.20MBytes	40msec		5:733		MFM
ST4053	Full	50.90MBytes	40msec		5:1024		MFM
ST4096	Full	96.00MBytes	28msec		9:1024		MFM
-------------------------------TOSHIBA-----------------------------------
MK-56FB	Full	86.__MBytes	25msec		?		2,7RLL
=========================================================================

Please send comments, questions, and updates to

[ihnp4!]looney!cmv

cmv@looney (12/16/87)

First of all, thanks to everyone responding to me about 2,7RLL encoding
on hard disks. As it turns out, to install it in the unix-pc, you'd have
to change the WD1010 (or WD2010) hard disk controller chip to one that
understands 2,7RLL encoding. I don't know if WD has a pin-compatible sub
for these chips or not. In any case I went ahead and deleted these drives
from the list.

I also got an update on some of the DEC drives (thanks Gary!) which I've
included here. If you can add any information to this list, or even confirm
to me that a particular drive works with the unix-pc, please let me know
so I can update this list some more.

Once again, here it is...

Model	Height	Size 		Ave Sk	Heads:		Recording
		unformatted	time	Cylinders	Method      Comments
=============================================================================
----------------------------CONTROL DATA-------------------------------------
FWCDC48	Full	48.20MBytes	28msec	5:925		MFM
94205-51 Half	51.__MBytes	28msec	?		?
FWCDC85	Full	85.30MBytes	28msec	8:1024		MFM
94155-86 Full	86.__MBytes	28msec	9:925		MFM
-------------------------DIGITAL EQUIPMENT CORP------------------------------
RD32	Half	51.__MBytes	48msec	?		?
RD52	Full	33.__MBytes	38msec	8:512		MFM	(Quantum)
RD53	Full	85.__MBytes	38msec	8:1024		MFM	(Micropolis1335)
RD54	Full	191._MBytes	38msec	?		?	(Maxtor2190??)
-------------------------------FUJITSU---------------------------------------
M2243R	Half	129._MBytes	29msec	?		?
-------------------------------HITACHI---------------------------------------
DK521	Half	51.40MBytes	25msec	?		?
-------------------------------MAXTOR----------------------------------------
XT1085	Full	85.30MBytes	28msec	8:1024		MFM
XT1140	Full	143.5MBytes	27msec	15:918		MFM
XT2190	Full	191.2MBytes	30msec	15:1224		MFM
-----------------------------MICROPOLIS--------------------------------------
1333A	Full	53.30MBytes	30msec	5:1024		MFM
1335	Full	85.30MBytes	30msec	8:1024		MFM
----------------------------MICROSCIENCE-------------------------------------
HH-1050	Full	53.35MBytes	28msec	?		?
HH-4050	Full	53.35MBytes	18msec	?		?
-----------------------------MINISCRIBE--------------------------------------
		**formatted**
		*****size****
3212+	Half	12.75MBytes	53msec	2:615		MFM
3425+	Half	21.40MBytes	53msec	4:615		MFM
3650	Half	42.25MBytes	61msec	6:809		MFM
6032	Full	26.70MBytes	28msec	3:1024		MFM
6053	Full	44.60MBytes	28msec	5:1024		MFM
6085	Full	71.30MBytes	28msec	8:1024		MFM
---------------------------NEWBURY DATA INC----------------------------------
NDR1000	Full	65.__MBytes	25msec	?		?
NDR2000 Full	190._MBytes	28msec	?		?
--------------------------------PRIAM----------------------------------------
ID40	Full	51.10MBytes	28msec	5:981		MFM
ID45H	Half	53.20MBytes	28msec	5:1024		MFM
ID60	Full	71.50MBytes	28msec	7:981		MFM
ID130	Full	159.9MBytes	28msec	15:1024		MFM
519	Full	191.2MBytes	22msec	?		?
-----------------------------RODIME INC--------------------------------------
RO5090	Full	89.__MBytes	28msec	?		?
-------------------------------SEAGATE---------------------------------------
ST225	Half	25.60MBytes	20msec	4:615		MFM
ST251	Half	51.20MBytes	40msec	6:820		MFM
ST4038	Full	38.20MBytes	40msec	5:733		MFM
ST4053	Full	50.90MBytes	40msec	5:1024		MFM
ST4096	Full	96.00MBytes	28msec	9:1024		MFM
=============================================================================

Please send comments, questions, and updates to

[ihnp4!]looney!cmv

hoffman@pitt.UUCP (Bob Hoffman) (12/22/87)

Thanks to Craig Votava <cmv@looney> for the comprehensive list of disk
drives.  One entry in particular intrigues me:

>Model	Height	Size 		Ave Sk	Heads:		Recording
>		unformatted	time	Cylinders	Method      Comments
>=============================================================================
>-------------------------------FUJITSU---------------------------------------
>M2243R	Half	129._MBytes	29msec	?		?

I checked the Mini-Micro Systems article just to verify, and they indeed
list this drive as half-height.  We have a couple of Sun workstations
here with Fujitsu M2243AS drives in them and they are definitely full-
height drives.

If this drive is *really* half-height, it sounds like a winner for the
7300 users that don't want to replace their top cover.  I just hope it's
not RLL.

	---Bob
-- 
Bob Hoffman, N3CVL       {allegra, bellcore, cadre, idis, psuvax1}!pitt!hoffman
Pitt Computer Science    hoffman%pitt@relay.cs.net