gmark@ihlpf.ATT.COM (Stewart) (06/01/88)
In article <373@icus.UUCP>, lenny@icus.UUCP (Lenny Tropiano) writes: > I've done the FIELD UPGRADE P5.1 to allow bigger disks [and before anyone > even asks, I cannot give this out *sorry*] and I am shopping around for > another hard disk (anyone have a suggestion...?!) and I wonder if I have I don't get this, Lenny. If this is a FIELD UPGRADE, why can't it be given out? If it can't, why are you mentioning it? Is it that we can obtain this, but not details on how to do the procedure ourselves? Do you mean you developed this upgrade? If it's secret, why should we be bothered with this on the net? Anyway, fill me in, if I'm the only one who doesn't understand your comment. Thanks. - Mark G. Mark Stewart ATT_BTL, Naperville, Ill. ix1g266 ixlpq!gms (312)979-0914
mark@pcid.UUCP (mark hilliard) (06/02/88)
In article <4912@ihlpf.ATT.COM> gmark@ihlpf.ATT.COM (Stewart) writes: >given out? If it can't, why are you mentioning it? Is it that we >can obtain this, but not details on how to do the procedure >ourselves? Do you mean you developed this upgrade? If it's >secret, why should we be bothered with this on the net? Anyway, >fill me in, if I'm the only one who doesn't understand your >comment. Thanks. Yes, it can be given out, no Lenny did not develop it. It was developed by Convergent. I have it, (gizzmo at 190meg), and you can have it too. I have a spare chip (programmed), but no way to copy it. I am currently lookin into getting it copied. Come on people, let's get together on this and find a way to distribute this upgrade!
lenny@icus.UUCP (Lenny Tropiano) (06/03/88)
In article <4912@ihlpf.ATT.COM> gmark@ihlpf.ATT.COM (Stewart) writes: |>In article <373@icus.UUCP>, lenny@icus.UUCP (Lenny Tropiano) writes: |>> I've done the FIELD UPGRADE P5.1 to allow bigger disks [and before anyone |>> even asks, I cannot give this out *sorry*] and I am shopping around for |>> another hard disk (anyone have a suggestion...?!) and I wonder if I have |> |>I don't get this, Lenny. If this is a FIELD UPGRADE, why can't it be |>given out? If it can't, why are you mentioning it? Is it that we |>can obtain this, but not details on how to do the procedure |>ourselves? Do you mean you developed this upgrade? If it's |>secret, why should we be bothered with this on the net? Anyway, |>fill me in, if I'm the only one who doesn't understand your |>comment. Thanks. |> Well I'm not sure about the legalities on why the FIELD UPGRADE can't be given out to a machine that is no longer in production, but from what I can tell it has to do with AT&T doing servicing and warranties on the machine. Basically by doing the upgrade you are giving up your right for AT&T doing *ANY* kind of support on your machine. The second reason on why I can't (or won't) give this upgrade out is because I cannot afford the postage, copies, and handling fees. I don't have the time to photocopy and process it for everyone, and lastly I couldn't charge because it would be unethical. I never said I developed the upgrade. It was something CT (Convergent Technologies) developed for their Model S50 (aka. AT&T UNIX pc). The upgrade isn't secret, in fact it has been mentioned numerous times in different articles from others, including someone from AT&T (Craig Votava- cmv@ihlpm.ATT.COM). If you are persistent enough, you can probably get the upgrade from someone. I just can't give it out to everyone who asks, sorry :-(. In short, my comment was to ask those who have completed the upgrade, or have a good working knowledge of Hard Drives to recommend one. Sorry for any confusion... -Lenny -- US MAIL : Lenny Tropiano, ICUS Computer Group IIIII CCC U U SSS PO Box 1 I C U U S Islip Terrace, New York 11752 I C U U SS PHONE : (516) 968-8576 [H] (516) 582-5525 [W] I C U U S TELEX : 154232428 [ICUS] IIIII CCC UUU SSS AT&T MAIL: ...attmail!icus!lenny UUCP : ...{mtune, ihnp4, boulder, talcott, sbcs, bc-cis}!icus!lenny
rjg@sialis.mn.org (Robert J. Granvin) (06/05/88)
Egods! >>> I've done the FIELD UPGRADE P5.1 to allow bigger disks [and before anyone >>> even asks, I cannot give this out *sorry*] >>I don't get this, Lenny. If this is a FIELD UPGRADE, why can't it be >>given out? If it can't, why are you mentioning it? >>why should we be bothered with this on the net? >Bravo, Mark! You are right on target! Is Lenny just trying to impress us with >who or what he knows? Next week, he'll probably be telling us about his great >new Porsche 949 which he got by doing a FIELD UPGRADE on a used 944! >>Anyway, fill me in, if I'm the only one who doesn't understand your >>comment. >No, Mark, you are not alone. I don't understand the comment about the FIELD >UPGRADE either. Has anyone ever heard of the art of "Asking"? lenny didn't explain why he couldn't give it out, and whatever those reasons are, I am sure they are quite valid and legitimate. But no matter what the rationale is, he requested assistance from the net. Lenny is a person who has assisted an unknown number of people with their UnixPCs, posted several utilities and is one of the rare people who makes an effort to make new information known and avaialable. A quality a lot of people don't necessarily have. Perhaps lenny should have explained initially why he cannot give it out. But, in any case, he certainly hasn't deserved any of the ridiculous cocky replies he has been receiving. He is not trying to "impress" you or anyone else with his knowledge or what he has. On the contrary, he is seeking assistance to supplement his knowledge or what he has. He has received quite a poor return lately on the efforts he has provided to help others. Can we use some other examples? People are rather tolerant of UnixPC HoneyDanBer questions, even though that also cannot be "given out". Why are they tolerant? Perhaps because it can be applied to other machines running HDB, and of course, ATT has insinuated for a long time that HDB will eventually just be made avaialable, but unsupported for the UnixPC, so maybe the information will be useful in the future even if it isn't today. The general information that resulted from the original discussion has been rather interesting and useful. Documented was a procedure for how to perform an upgrade with >1024 cylinders, where you can locate a diagnostics disk to perform it, and difficulties encountered complete with solutions to those difficulties. The resulting _good_ information could be immensely valuable to someone, either today or in the future. So the result was all around very valuable. Is this a flame? No not really. If you feel it is one, then feel free to reply to me via email. I'll be happy to discuss this further there, but it doesn't belong on the net. As is usually mentioned at the end of stuff like this: "'nuf said!" -- "I've been trying for some time to Robert J. Granvin develop a life-style that doesn't National Information Systems, Inc. require my presence." rjg@sialis.mn.org -Garry Trudeau ...uunet!{{amdahl,hpda}!bungia,rosevax}!sialis!rjg