[unix-pc.general] WD2010 controller and >1024 cylinders

gmark@ihlpf.ATT.COM (Stewart) (06/01/88)

In article <373@icus.UUCP>, lenny@icus.UUCP (Lenny Tropiano) writes:
> I've done the FIELD UPGRADE P5.1 to allow bigger disks [and before anyone
> even asks, I cannot give this out *sorry*] and I am shopping around for
> another hard disk (anyone have a suggestion...?!) and I wonder if I have
I don't get this, Lenny.  If this is a FIELD UPGRADE, why can't it be 
given out?  If it can't, why are you mentioning it?  Is it that we
can obtain this, but not details on how to do the procedure
ourselves?  Do you mean you developed this upgrade?  If it's
secret, why should we be bothered with this on the net?  Anyway,
fill me in, if I'm the only one who doesn't understand your
comment.  Thanks.

				- Mark

				G. Mark Stewart
				ATT_BTL, Naperville, Ill. ix1g266
				ixlpq!gms (312)979-0914

mark@pcid.UUCP (mark hilliard) (06/02/88)

In article <4912@ihlpf.ATT.COM> gmark@ihlpf.ATT.COM (Stewart) writes:
>given out?  If it can't, why are you mentioning it?  Is it that we
>can obtain this, but not details on how to do the procedure
>ourselves?  Do you mean you developed this upgrade?  If it's
>secret, why should we be bothered with this on the net?  Anyway,
>fill me in, if I'm the only one who doesn't understand your
>comment.  Thanks.

Yes, it can be given out, no Lenny did not develop it.  It was developed
by Convergent.  I have it, (gizzmo at 190meg), and you can have it too. I
have a spare chip (programmed), but no way to copy it.  I am currently
lookin into getting it copied.  

Come on people,  let's get together on this and find a way to distribute 
this upgrade!

lenny@icus.UUCP (Lenny Tropiano) (06/03/88)

In article <4912@ihlpf.ATT.COM> gmark@ihlpf.ATT.COM (Stewart) writes:
|>In article <373@icus.UUCP>, lenny@icus.UUCP (Lenny Tropiano) writes:
|>> I've done the FIELD UPGRADE P5.1 to allow bigger disks [and before anyone
|>> even asks, I cannot give this out *sorry*] and I am shopping around for
|>> another hard disk (anyone have a suggestion...?!) and I wonder if I have
|>
|>I don't get this, Lenny.  If this is a FIELD UPGRADE, why can't it be 
|>given out?  If it can't, why are you mentioning it?  Is it that we
|>can obtain this, but not details on how to do the procedure
|>ourselves?  Do you mean you developed this upgrade?  If it's
|>secret, why should we be bothered with this on the net?  Anyway,
|>fill me in, if I'm the only one who doesn't understand your
|>comment.  Thanks.
|>

Well I'm not sure about the legalities on why the FIELD UPGRADE can't
be given out to a machine that is no longer in production, but from
what I can tell it has to do with AT&T doing servicing and warranties
on the machine.   Basically by doing the upgrade you are giving up your
right for AT&T doing *ANY* kind of support on your machine.   The second
reason on why I can't (or won't) give this upgrade out is because I cannot
afford the postage, copies, and handling fees.  I don't have the time to
photocopy and process it for everyone, and lastly I couldn't charge because
it would be unethical.   

I never said I developed the upgrade.  It was something CT (Convergent
Technologies) developed for their Model S50 (aka. AT&T UNIX pc).  The
upgrade isn't secret, in fact it has been mentioned numerous times in
different articles from others, including someone from AT&T (Craig Votava-
cmv@ihlpm.ATT.COM).  If you are persistent enough, you can probably get
the upgrade from someone.  I just can't give it out to everyone who asks,
sorry :-(.

In short, my comment was to ask those who have completed the upgrade,
or have a good working knowledge of Hard Drives to recommend one.

Sorry for any confusion...

-Lenny


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rjg@sialis.mn.org (Robert J. Granvin) (06/05/88)

Egods!

>>> I've done the FIELD UPGRADE P5.1 to allow bigger disks [and before anyone
>>> even asks, I cannot give this out *sorry*]

>>I don't get this, Lenny.  If this is a FIELD UPGRADE, why can't it be 
>>given out?  If it can't, why are you mentioning it? 
>>why should we be bothered with this on the net?  

>Bravo, Mark!  You are right on target!  Is Lenny just trying to impress us with
>who or what he knows?  Next week, he'll probably be telling us about his great
>new Porsche 949 which he got by doing a FIELD UPGRADE on a used 944!

>>Anyway, fill me in, if I'm the only one who doesn't understand your
>>comment. 

>No, Mark, you are not alone.  I don't understand the comment about the FIELD
>UPGRADE either.

Has anyone ever heard of the art of "Asking"?

lenny didn't explain why he couldn't give it out, and whatever those
reasons are, I am sure they are quite valid and legitimate.  But no
matter what the rationale is, he requested assistance from the net.  

Lenny is a person who has assisted an unknown number of people with
their UnixPCs, posted several utilities and is one of the rare people
who makes an effort to make new information known and avaialable.  A
quality a lot of people don't necessarily have.

Perhaps lenny should have explained initially why he cannot give it
out.  But, in any case, he certainly hasn't deserved any of the
ridiculous cocky replies he has been receiving.  He is not trying to
"impress" you or anyone else with his knowledge or what he has.  On
the contrary, he is seeking assistance to supplement his knowledge or
what he has.  He has received quite a poor return lately on the
efforts he has provided to help others.


Can we use some other examples?  People are rather tolerant of UnixPC
HoneyDanBer questions, even though that also cannot be "given out".
Why are they tolerant?  Perhaps because it can be applied to other
machines running HDB, and of course, ATT has insinuated for a long
time that HDB will eventually just be made avaialable, but unsupported
for the UnixPC, so maybe the information will be useful in the future
even if it isn't today.

The general information that resulted from the original discussion has
been rather interesting and useful.  Documented was a procedure for
how to perform an upgrade with >1024 cylinders, where you can locate a
diagnostics disk to perform it, and difficulties encountered complete
with solutions to those difficulties.  The resulting _good_
information could be immensely valuable to someone, either today or in
the future.  So the result was all around very valuable.


Is this a flame? No not really.  If you feel it is one, then feel free
to reply to me via email.  I'll be happy to discuss this further
there, but it doesn't belong on the net.

As is usually mentioned at the end of stuff like this:  "'nuf said!"

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