erict@flatline.UUCP (j eric townsend) (06/22/88)
I'm running rel 3.0 on my 3b1, and as I'm about to reinstall all
my software (long story) I was wondering if I should bother with
HoneyDanBer for my machine...
I've heard non-unix-pc'ers praise HDB, but I don't remember hearing
much from unix-pc users that use HDB..
thx in advance.
--
"It was men made her that way, Skate UNIX or go home, boogie boy...
it was us made her that way." -- from "Airhead" by Thomas Dolby
J. Eric Townsend ->uunet!nuchat!flatline!erict smail:511Parker#2,Hstn,Tx,77007
..!bellcore!tness1!/kls@ditka.UUCP (Karl Swartz) (06/23/88)
In article <936@flatline.UUCP> erict@flatline.UUCP (j eric townsend) writes: >I was wondering if I should bother with HoneyDanBer for my machine... YES! I had as many as several crashes a day on ditka with the stock (3.51) uucp; that dropped to zero with HDB. And getting a TrailBlazer to work comfortably with the stock trash is pretty close to hell; with HDB there's no problem at all. Bottom line: beg, borrow, steal, hold Cassoni (er, whoever it is now) hostage, do whatever you have to do to get HoneyDanBer. -- Karl Swartz |UUCP {emoryu1,pacbell,decvax!formtek}!ditka!kls 1-412/937-4930 office | {pitt,psuvax1}!idis!formtek!ditka!kls |BIX kswartz "I never let my schooling get in the way of my education." (Twain)
gws@n8emr.UUCP (Gary Sanders ) (06/24/88)
In article <936@flatline.UUCP> erict@flatline.UUCP (j eric townsend) writes: >I was wondering if I should bother with HoneyDanBer for my machine... Yes you should bother with it, but You cant really get it.. It was available for a very short time via the STORE, and I am sure that a few folks may have picked it up then, but Now its available via the STORE and only to AT&T employee's. Its a shame that AT&T dosent let it out for the hords of people for are buying up 7300.. OH well.... -- Gary W. Sanders HAM/SWL BBS 614-457-4227 (uucp) gws@n8emr (uucp) osu-cis!n8emr!gws (packet) N8EMR @ W8CQK (cis) 72277,1325
bob@rush.cts.com (Bob Ames) (06/24/88)
In article <936@flatline.UUCP>, erict@flatline.UUCP (j eric townsend) writes: > > I'm running rel 3.0 on my 3b1, and as I'm about to reinstall all > my software (long story) I was wondering if I should bother with > HoneyDanBer for my machine... > > I've heard non-unix-pc'ers praise HDB, but I don't remember hearing > much from unix-pc users that use HDB.. > > J. Eric Townsend ->uunet!nuchat!flatline!erict smail:511Parker#2,Hstn,Tx,77007 Since the old version of HDB3.0 for the unix pc is in the Public Domain, I heartily recommend it. Appearently 3.5[01] and the new 3.0 HDB is not in the PD, as evidenced by the new passwords on the Store. Before I get flamed, here are my reasons for believing HDB2.0, old HDB3.0, MAILX, KSH, HACK, ROGUE, and all other software that appeared on all catalogs before 6/27/86 (when the passwords appeared) are in the Public Domain. 1. The AT&T hotline gave me access to the Store. This definately affected my decision to purchase several more unix-pcs. 2. The old version of the store, upon installation, encouraged users to redistribute store stuff, to "encourage wider distribution" [I don't remember the exact quote, but that is the jist of it]. 3. These items were available on the store. 4. At no time has there *EVER* been *ANY* message on the store stating that some software should not be downloaded because it isn't in the public domain. In fact, the store *still* encourages users to contribute software. There you have it. And *NO*, I'm not willing to re-distribute even this stuff as I'm not sure if the version I have may have been updated since these Public Domain programs were received. Putting on my asbestos suit |-) Bob Ames INET: bob@rush.cts.com Rush UNIKS PC Support Center Bell: 208-733-0931 UUCP: {cbosgd, ucsd, nosc, sun!ihnp4, hplabs!hp-sdd}!crash!rush!bob "I didn't expect the Spanish Inquisition!" "We each pay a fabulous price - for our visions of paradise." - N Peart 1987
cks@ziebmef.uucp (Chris Siebenmann) (06/27/88)
In article <315@ditka.UUCP> kls@ditka.UUCP (Karl Swartz) writes: ... >Bottom line: beg, borrow, steal, hold Cassoni (er, whoever it is now) >hostage, do whatever you have to do to get HoneyDanBer. And don't forget to tell the rest of us unforunate non-AT&T people how to get a copy too. The stock uucp sucks rocks if you try to do anything complicated with it. -- You're a prisoner of the dark sky/The propeller blades are still And the evil eye of the hurricane's/Coming in for the kill Chris Siebenmann uunet!utgpu!{ontmoh!moore,ncrcan}!ziebmef!cks cks@ziebmef.UUCP or .....!utgpu!{,ontmoh!,ncrcan!brambo!}cks
dave@galaxia.zone1.com (David H. Brierley) (06/28/88)
In article <577@n8emr.UUCP> gws@n8emr.UUCP (Gary Sanders (n8emr)) writes: >Yes you should bother with it, but You cant really get it.. It was >available for a very short time via the STORE, and I am sure that a >few folks may have picked it up then, but Now its available via the Here's a good question for you all. Suppose that I was one of those "few folks" that grabbed HDB during it's shorted-lived appearance on the STORE. Since no restrictions have ever been placed on any of the stuff that I've gotten from the STORE, am I now free to distribute copies of HDB? How about this scenario: suppose someone who had been able to download HDB set up a shell script to take all of the stuff they had gotten from the STORE and post it to unix-pc.sources. Could that person be taken to court by ATT for posting licensed software even though they received the software from ATT without any license restrictions? PLEASE NOTE: this posting should not be mis-construed as a statement to the effect that I am in possession of a copy of HDB. Do not send me messages requesting a copy of HDB. I am simply playing a game of "what if". -- David H. Brierley Home: dave@galaxia.zone1.com ...!rayssd!galaxia!dave Work: dhb@rayssd.ray.com {sun,decuac,cbosgd,gatech,necntc,ukma}!rayssd!dhb
alex@umbc3.UMD.EDU (Alex S. Crain) (06/28/88)
In article <479@galaxia.zone1.com> dave@galaxia.zone1.com (David H. Brierley) writes: >In article <577@n8emr.UUCP> gws@n8emr.UUCP (Gary Sanders (n8emr)) writes: >Here's a good question for you all. Suppose that I was one of those "few > folks" that grabbed HDB during it's shorted-lived appearance on the STORE. > [is HDB3.0 PD?] My understanding of the copyright laws is that if AT&T conciously released something without restriction, then they cannot later change their mind. This belief comes from a long description of the copyright laws that was posted to the net last year by someone who appears to know about such things. (claimed to be a lawyer, but I won't hold it against him) -- :alex. nerwin!alex@umbc3.umd.edu alex@umbc3.umd.edu
ken@maxepr.UUCP (Ken Brassler) (06/28/88)
In article <479@galaxia.zone1.com> dave@galaxia.zone1.com (David H. Brierley) writes: > >Here's a good question for you all. Suppose that I was one of those "few folks" >that grabbed HDB during it's shorted-lived appearance on the STORE. Since no >restrictions have ever been placed on any of the stuff that I've gotten from >the STORE, am I now free to distribute copies of HDB? It's my personal opinion that you are free to redistribute copies of the same version of HDB, that was available from the STORE, before it was placed under the password section. Here is a copy of an article I saved concerning a different piece of STORE software, but I think the meaning is clear. (Sorry, I didn't save the header) ================================================================== In article <1050@steinmetz.steinmetz.UUCP> davidsen@kbsvax.UUCP (william E Davidsen) writes: >In article <9300001@bradley> brad@bradley.UUCP writes: >>I am looking for an easy example on how one changes the icon on the UNIXPC. >There was a program to do this from THE STORE! I don't know if those >programs are supposed to be posted or not. Can someone give me info on that? The program in question is called ICONOCLAST. I was unable (in a 30-second scan) to work out whether it is currently in the public department of THE STORE! or not. However, anyone who has a copy of anything they got off THE STORE! can freely repost it. Let me re-iterate that nothing from THE STORE! is supported in any way, shape or form by AT&T. -- Jonathan Clark [NAC,attmail]!mtune!jhc My walk has become rather more silly lately. ===================================================================== (end of saved article) I don't know Jonathan's official title within AT&T, but he did present himself to the net as a big honcho in the UNIX-PC project. Besides, there is no doubt that the HDB binaries from the STORE were in the public domain. I don't see how you can rescind that. AT&T's main reason for closing the STORE, was that people were calling the hotline to inquire about usage of STORE software. Thus, John's declaration of non-support above. -- Ken Brassler {ihnp4|qantel|pyramid|lll-crg}!pacbell!maxepr!ken
randy@umn-cs.cs.umn.edu (Randy Orrison) (06/30/88)
In article <514@maxepr.UUCP> ken@maxepr.UUCP (Ken Brassler) writes: |It's my personal opinion that you are free to redistribute copies of |the same version of HDB, that was available from the STORE, before it |was placed under the password section. Here is a copy of an article |I saved concerning a different piece of STORE software, but I think |the meaning is clear. (Sorry, I didn't save the header) (proof from AT&T omitted) |Ken Brassler {ihnp4|qantel|pyramid|lll-crg}!pacbell!maxepr!ken Ok, I'll add HDB to my list of things to be available for anonymous FTP from ux.acss.umn.edu, if I ever get them. Could someone mail to me (or offer to give me on disks) the version of HDB that is in the public domain? Some assurances that it is in the public domain (or at least freely redistributable) would be nice too... I suppose I could call AT&T and verify with them, when I get it. -randy -- Randy Orrison, Control Data, Arden Hills, MN randy@ux.acss.umn.edu {bungia, uunet!hi-csc, rutgers, sun}!umn-cs!randy "I consulted all the sages I could find in Yellow Pages, but there aren't many of them." -APP