[net.news.group] Condone net.flame because you can't correct

cjp@vax135.UUCP (Charles Poirier) (07/13/85)

[Jeff Lichtman]:
>I meant "sanction", not "condone".  The point of my article was that there is
>a message contained in the mere existence of net.flame: that irresponsibility
>is OK on USENET.  Net.flame sanctions (gives official approval of) bad manners
>and behavior.  I believe this is true even if it is not the intended effect.

When Jeff says "net.flame sanctions", I believe he is thinking of the
body of postings and especially certain posters to that group as the
meaning of "the existence of net.flame".  I didn't notice before that
we may have been talking about different things.  When I say "net.flame
condones", I am thinking of a description of the purpose and proper
attitude towards the group (which does not necessarily coincide with
the current use of it).  I don't know whether and where such a
definition is kept; I was giving my view of it.  If an *official*
description of net.flame says that various forms of irresponsibility
are *good* and *encouraged* ("gives official approval of" ==
sanctioned) rather than just tolerated ("is OK" == condoned) then I
suggest that the definition needs to be changed!  I hope we are all in
agreement here.

>Why did you assume that I chose the wrong word ... imply that I am illiterate?

Jeff, I apologize for the implication and for assuming you were making
a mistaken word choice.  The reasons were that (a) it is a common
mistake, (b) the word "condone" was used by your debating "partner" (so
to speak) Chuq, and (c) as I indicated above, I think I misinterpreted
your argument, leading me to think you *must* have meant "condone".

>Is this another example of the bad manners
>learned in net.flame being carried into other newsgroups?

Bad manners, yes -- I apologize.  Learned in net.flame, I don't think
so.  (I was born with a teeny little nasty streak.)  I don't think it
works as Jeff and Chuq say it does -- with the NOTED exception of
cross-postings from net.flame.  Any effect of people learning to be
rude in net.flame and carrying it to other groups is surely outweighed
by the benefit of containing most of the flames there.  Consider the
analogy of net.flame to a prison.  Truly, some people who have done
time in prison learn how to be nastier crooks afterwards than before
they went in (their point); but aren't we better off for having a place
to put them much of the time (my point)?  Ok, we don't imprison people
in net.flame, but you get the idea.  For the most part, flamers go
there voluntarily.  Taking it away wouldn't eliminate the flamers.  It
*would* create the necessity of constantly and eternally flaming at
people for being flamers.  I don't want to see the net in that state
again -- it's been there before.

	Mistakes I can tolerate, but not well-meaning mistakes,
	Charles Poirier (decvax, ucbvax, ihnp4)!vax135!cjp