price@DECWRL.DEC.COM (10/10/87)
>Do many people share my frustration with X11? For the past 6 months I had been >doing a reasonable job programming some good applications under X10 and was >looking foward to the X11 release. After it arrived however there has been >little other the the the subject line going on here. Its understandable that things might be a bit frustrating right now. But keep in mind that if you started using X10 6 months ago, you were working on software that had been around, in reasonably the same form, for about 2 years. Significant work had already gone into making it perform well, as well as to provide useful demos. DEC already had a supported product version, and was in field test of a second release. The X11 release that you are now wailing over is *brand new software*. The Sun server is not a high performance implementation; they are working on that, I suppose. I have been using the DEC server quite happily for the past couple of months. Yes, there are some bugs, and I know it can go faster, but it is very useable now. The XToolkit documentation will improve. What more can I say but stay tuned. As far as sample code is concerned, my group at DEC is currently putting some training together. When I am finished with my examples, I'll post 'em to the net. How's that? (In return, will you buy a couple o' hundred VS2000's? ;-) ) Window Managers: I thought someone ported uwm. Not that I care, I like the new one. I no longer have to guess how to use someone elses workstation! (BTW, X10 didn't provide the window re-parenting capability needed to adequately implement real estate based window managers. So in this area, X11 is a great improvement). > Now PLEASE don't take this as a flame... [Religion alert] Not at all. (Although my xmh *did* seem to be glowing before I read your memo :-) ). But regarding your comment about Suntools or NeWS. If Sun plans to port Suntools to X, then that doesn't seem to be a waste of time, although the Xtoolkit is a *much* more advanced design. NeWS, however, seems to be almost as big a waste as X10, or worse. It doesn't look like *anybody* is going to support NeWS except Sun. [End religion alert] -chuck (DECWindows software evangelist) --------