kiessig@idi.UUCP (Rick Kiessig) (11/21/87)
We're happy to announce the availability of an X Windows Server for the IBM PC/XT/AT under PC/DOS. Now use your inexpensive PC as a graphics display, while running your applications on remote machines with more horsepower. It requires an Excelan ethernet board, an optical 3-button PC Mouse and a Hercules Graphics card. Other combinations of devices and color displays will be supported in the near future. Prices: $99.95 1st copy of server 89.95 2nd thru 10th copies 79.95 11th and up copies All software comes with a free first update, and is not copy protected (we like to think that our prices are low enough that it's not worth having to deal with pirated copies). OEM/VAR terms and source code are available -- call for details. We also have Excelan cards with tranceivers for $1295, the Optical PC Mouse for $99.95, and Hercules Cards for $59.95. The software comes with an installation guide and implementation notes (1 copy per order). An X Programmer's Guide is available separately for $34.95 (man pages and Xlib document). We'd like to think our product is competetively priced and is a quality implementation. We think you'll agree. For more information contact: PC-X Windows Sales Mgr. Intelligent Decisions, Inc. P.O. Box 50174 Palo Alto, CA 94303 408-996-2399 Or simply send your check or purchase order to the above address (don't forget sales tax if the order is shipped to California). M/C or VISA is also OK.
kempf@hplabsz.HPL.HP.COM (Jim Kempf) (11/22/87)
In article <299@idi.UUCP>, kiessig@idi.UUCP (Rick Kiessig) writes: > > We're happy to announce the availability of an X Windows > Server for the IBM PC/XT/AT under PC/DOS. Now use your inexpensive PC This is the second X server product on the PC/AT/XT I've seen advertised, and I'm not impressed. Most PC class machine owners don't want to shell out for an expensive Ethernet, I would assume, and would rather run X like Microsoft windows locally or over a cheaper network connection. I'd be tempted to pay real money when an X server working through a serial connection becomes available, since, with 9600 baud and over modems beginning to appear, an AT class machine running an X server talking to the remote over the phone lines sounds like a nice home workstation. The other thing I've found unimpressive is the narrow range of display hardware supported. The desktop publishing system Ventura supports everything from low res black and white to the Xerox Full Page monitor, which is, I believe, typical of DOS applications. The PC/AT X products I've looked at have a much narrower range. I'm glad to see X products starting to appear, but they'll have to fit into the DOS world better before I'll bite. Jim Kempf kempf@hplabs.hp.com Usual Disclaimer
gnu@hoptoad.uucp (John Gilmore) (11/22/87)
The X distribution policy is a fine thing (a lot better than the SunView distribution policy!); I just wanted to remind folks of the big difference between it and the GNU policy, as this sort of thing becomes more and more common: > We're happy to announce the availability of an X Windows > Server for the IBM PC/XT/AT under PC/DOS. > $99.95 1st copy of server > 89.95 2nd thru 10th copies > 79.95 11th and up copies > All software comes with a free first update, and is not copy > protected (we like to think that our prices are low enough that it's > not worth having to deal with pirated copies). OEM/VAR terms and source > code are available -- call for details. If this was licensed like GNU, there would be no question of source code, or of paying more money for duplicating floppies. (Also, since this ad doesn't say which version, it's sure to be X10.) I was reading the new HP test & measurement catalog and came across another example: X Window System for Series-300: X Window System (with XrLIB) $715 right to make one copy $355 X Window System for HP Model 825: X Window System (with XrLIB) $2100 right to make one copy $1470 Seems like a lot to pay for public access code. With GNU distribution, ten people could buy one copy (with source, and all the HP-specific hacks) at the outrageous price and then go into business selling it at a reasonable price. As it is, each company will end up jealously guarding some proprietary part of its X implementation to "discourage" people from doing their own port. -- {pyramid,ptsfa,amdahl,sun,ihnp4}!hoptoad!gnu gnu@toad.com Love your country but never trust its government. -- from a hand-painted road sign in central Pennsylvania
jip@nih-csl.UUCP (john powell) (11/23/87)
X Version 10 or X Version 11? John Powell uunet!mimsy!elsie!nih-csl!jip