jim@EXPO.LCS.MIT.EDU (Jim Fulton) (05/28/88)
Please avoid ftp'ing from expo.lcs.mit.edu in between the hours of 9am and 6pm east coast, USA time. Jim Fulton MIT X Consortium
raveling@venera.isi.edu.UUCP (06/01/88)
In article <8805272018.AA22868@EXPO.LCS.MIT.EDU> jim@EXPO.LCS.MIT.EDU (Jim Fulton) writes: >Please avoid ftp'ing from expo.lcs.mit.edu in between the hours of 9am and >6pm east coast, USA time. > >Jim Fulton >MIT X Consortium As I see it the main reason for not doing this is crummy network performance, with negligible bandwidth in "prime time". I question whether it's appropriate for the X Consortium to discourage public domain distribution of X. Wouldn't it be more appropriate to attempt to support the ability of X users to import software during their own working hours? Would it help to direct part of the X Consortium's revenue toward purchase of disk capacity to keep X at additional cooperating sites? This might help if sites were carefully chosen to place a server within as many subnets as possible, to avoid gateway bottlenecks and to distribute overall load among more servers and more subnets. Perhaps it would be appropriate for the Open Software Foundation to participate in this sort of support. BTW, I've never been able to connect to decwrl.dec.com during the day. Delay is always so high that either the initial connection or the login process times out. Perhaps it's "protected" from our subnet by a cascade of slow gateways. --------------------- Paul Raveling Raveling@vaxa.isi.edu
RWS@ZERMATT.LCS.MIT.EDU (Robert Scheifler) (06/03/88)
Date: 31 May 88 21:50:28 GMT
From: trwrb!aero!venera.isi.edu!raveling@bloom-beacon.mit.edu (Paul Raveling)
I question whether it's appropriate for the X Consortium
to discourage public domain distribution of X.
(Most of it isn't public domain :-) We are hardly discouraging it. I
think we go to considerable effort to encourage it. We're simply asking
you to cooperate in making our working hours more productive.
Wouldn't it be more appropriate to attempt to support
the ability of X users to import software during their
own working hours?
We ask for cooperation. If you can't supply it or refuse to try, ftp
whenever you can. We're not likely to blow away ftp connections (too
often).
Would it help to direct part of the X Consortium's revenue
toward purchase of disk capacity to keep X at additional
cooperating sites?
It might help, but it won't happen. There are a few thousand other
things that such money would be better spent on.brooks@maddog.llnl.gov (Eugene D. Brooks III) (06/03/88)
In article <6162@well.UUCP> Jef Poskanzer <jef@lbl-rtsg.arpa> writes: >Hey Paul, perhaps it would be appropriate for you to learn how to ftp >from a batch job. Please post the directions to do this! I have been wanting to ftp in batch mode for some time and have never figgured it out.
sweet@scubed.UUCP (Kevin Sweet) (06/04/88)
In article <8122@lll-winken.llnl.gov> brooks@maddog.UUCP (Eugene D. Brooks III) writes: >In article <6162@well.UUCP> Jef Poskanzer <jef@lbl-rtsg.arpa> writes: >>Hey Paul, perhaps it would be appropriate for you to learn how to ftp >>from a batch job. >Please post the directions to do this! I have been wanting to ftp >in batch mode for some time and have never figgured it out. I don't see any smiley's here so (here's something better than a moderate flame :-): I wrote a shell script to automate (anonymous) ftp'ing. I got the andrew toolkit this way. (Just nohup the beast.) #---cut here---cut here---cut here---cut here---cut here---cut here--- #! /bin/sh # This is a shell archive, meaning: # 1. Remove everything above the #! /bin/sh line. # 2. Save the resulting text in a file. # 3. Execute the file with /bin/sh (not csh) to create: # aftp # This archive created: Fri Jun 3 12:03:48 PDT 1988 # echo shar: extracting "aftp" '(2851 characters)' if test -f aftp then echo shar: will not over-write existing file "aftp" else sed 's/^XX//' << \SHAR_EOF > aftp XX#!/bin/sh XX# usage: aftp [-a|b|t] [-h host] [-d [rdir]] [rdir] rfile [lfile] XX# XX# where: [-a|b|t] selects (a)scii, (b)inary, or (t)enex transfer XX# ascii is the default XX# [-h host] is the host name to ftp from XX# [-d [rdir]] is the remote directory name to get files from XX# [rdir] defaults to . XX# if you don't select any files, you get a XX# directory listing XX# (e.g., aftp -h expo.lcs.mit.edu -d pub/X.V11R2) XX# [rdir] is the remote directory name to get files from XX# rfile is the remote file to get (or mget) XX# (e.g., aftp -t -h expo.lcs.mit.edu XX# pub/X.V11R2/contrib.hc '*.split.*') XX# [lfile] is the (optional) local filename XX# (e.g., aftp -t -h expo.lcs.mit.edu contrib XX# pbm.tar.Z poskbitmaps.t.Z) XX# XX# author: Kevin Sweet [sweet@scubed.arpa] XX# XX XXPATH=/bin:/usr/bin:/usr/ucb XXProgram=`basename $0` XXNetrc=${HOME}/.netrc XXrm -f $Netrc XX XXHost=$HOST XXLogin="anonymous" XXPassword="guest" XXTransfer="ascii" XXDir= Ddir= Local= Remote= XXwhile test $# != 0 XXdo case "$1" in XX -l) case "$2" in XX -*|"") ;; XX *) Login="$2" ; shift ;; XX esac ;; XX -l*) Login=`expr $1 : '-.\(.*\)'` ;; XX -p) case "$2" in XX -*|"") ;; XX *) Password="$2" ; shift ;; XX esac ;; XX -p*) Password=`expr $1 : '-.\(.*\)'` ;; XX -h) case "$2" in XX -*|"") ;; XX *) Host="$2" ; shift ;; XX esac ;; XX -h*) Host=`expr $1 : '-.\(.*\)'` ;; XX -d) case "$2" in XX -*|"") Ddir="." ;; XX *) Ddir="$2" ; shift ;; XX esac ;; XX -d*) Ddir=`expr $1 : '-.\(.*\)'` ;; XX -a*) Transfer="ascii" ;; XX -b*) Transfer="binary" ;; XX -t*) Transfer="tenex" ;; XX -*) ;; XX *) if test "$Dir" = ""; then XX Dir="$1" ; XX elif test "$Remote" = ""; then XX Remote="$1" ; XX else XX Local="$1" ; XX fi ;; XX esac XX shift XXdone XXif test "$Ddir" != ""; then XX Local="$Remote" XX Remote="$Dir" XX Dir="$Ddir" XXfi XX XXListing= XXif test "$Host" = ""; then XX echo -n 'usage: '$Program' [-a|b|t] [-h host] [-d [rdir]] ' XX echo '[rdir] rfile [lfile]' XX exit 0 XXelif test "$Remote" = ""; then XX if test "$Ddir" = ""; then XX echo -n 'usage: '$Program' [-a|b|t] [-h host] ' XX echo '[-d [rdir]] [rdir] rfile [lfile]' XX exit 0 XX else XX Listing=yes XX fi XXfi XX XXif test `echo $Remote | grep -c '*'` -ne 0; then XX Get="mget" XX Local= XXelif test `echo $Remote | grep -c '?'` -ne 0; then XX Get="mget" XX Local= XXelif test `echo $Remote | grep -c '\['` -ne 0; then XX Get="mget" XX Local= XXelse XX Get="get" XX if test "$Local" = ""; then XX Local="$Remote" XX fi XXfi XX XXecho "machine $Host, login $Login, password $Password" > $Netrc XXchmod 600 $Netrc XX if test "$Listing" = "yes"; then XXecho listing of directory $Dir on $Host: XXftp -v $Host << END_FTP XXcd $Dir XXdir XXbye XXEND_FTP XX else # listing XXdate XXecho -n $Transfer transfer of $Host::$Dir/$Remote XXif test "$Get" = "get"; then XX echo ' to '$Local':' XXelse XX echo : XXfi XXftp -v -i $Host << END_FTP XX$Transfer XXcd $Dir XX$Get $Remote $Local XXbye XXEND_FTP XXecho ' ' XX fi # listing XXrm -f $Netrc XX XXexit 0 SHAR_EOF if test 2851 -ne "`wc -c < aftp`" then echo shar: error transmitting "aftp" '(should have been 2851 characters)' fi fi # end of overwriting check # # End of shell archive exit 0 -- Kevin Sweet ---------------------------------- sweet%kelvin@scubed.arpa S-CUBED, 3398 Carmel Mountain, San Diego, CA 92121-1095, (619)587-8499 UUCP: [harvard,ihnp4!ames,rutgers,ucsd,uunet]scubed!kelvin!sweet DECNET: SDSC::"SWEET@S3VAX.SPAN" , 1.312::SWEET
nobody@scubed.UUCP (anonymous NFS user) (06/10/88)
Well, my insidious Trojan Horse ``aftp'' has managed to blast at least
two people's already existing .netrc files. :-(
Here is another copy that won't do that but look at the caveat line
anyway...
- Kevin
#---cut here---cut here---cut here---cut here---cut here---cut here---
#! /bin/sh
# This is a shell archive, meaning:
# 1. Remove everything above the #! /bin/sh line.
# 2. Save the resulting text in a file.
# 3. Execute the file with /bin/sh (not csh) to create:
# aftp
# This archive created: Thu Jun 9 16:55:21 PDT 1988
#
echo shar: extracting "aftp" '(3097 characters)'
if test -f aftp
then
echo shar: will not over-write existing file "aftp"
else
sed 's/^XX//' << \SHAR_EOF > aftp
XX#!/bin/sh
XX# usage: aftp [-a|b|t] [-h host] [-d [rdir]] [rdir] rfile [lfile]
XX#
XX# where: [-a|b|t] selects (a)scii, (b)inary, or (t)enex transfer
XX# ascii is the default
XX# [-h host] is the host name to ftp from
XX# [-d [rdir]] is the remote directory name to get files from
XX# [rdir] defaults to .
XX# if you don't select any files, you get a
XX# directory listing
XX# (e.g., aftp -h expo.lcs.mit.edu -d pub/X.V11R2)
XX# [rdir] is the remote directory name to get files from
XX# rfile is the remote file to get (or mget)
XX# (e.g., aftp -t -h expo.lcs.mit.edu
XX# pub/X.V11R2/contrib.hc '*.split.*')
XX# [lfile] is the (optional) local filename
XX# (e.g., aftp -t -h expo.lcs.mit.edu contrib
XX# pbm.tar.Z poskbitmaps.t.Z)
XX#
XX# caveats: there's no checking for interrupts that may cause your
XX# .netrc file to be left as an orphan named ``.aftp.$$''
XX#
XX# author: Kevin Sweet [sweet@scubed.arpa]
XX#
XX
XXPATH=/bin:/usr/bin:/usr/ucb
XXProgram=`basename $0`
XXNetrc=${HOME}/.netrc
XX
XXHost=$HOST
XXLogin="anonymous"
XXPassword="guest"
XXTransfer="ascii"
XXDir= Ddir= Local= Remote=
XXwhile test $# != 0
XXdo case "$1" in
XX -l) case "$2" in
XX -*|"") ;;
XX *) Login="$2" ; shift ;;
XX esac ;;
XX -l*) Login=`expr $1 : '-.\(.*\)'` ;;
XX -p) case "$2" in
XX -*|"") ;;
XX *) Password="$2" ; shift ;;
XX esac ;;
XX -p*) Password=`expr $1 : '-.\(.*\)'` ;;
XX -h) case "$2" in
XX -*|"") ;;
XX *) Host="$2" ; shift ;;
XX esac ;;
XX -h*) Host=`expr $1 : '-.\(.*\)'` ;;
XX -d) case "$2" in
XX -*|"") Ddir="." ;;
XX *) Ddir="$2" ; shift ;;
XX esac ;;
XX -d*) Ddir=`expr $1 : '-.\(.*\)'` ;;
XX -a*) Transfer="ascii" ;;
XX -b*) Transfer="binary" ;;
XX -t*) Transfer="tenex" ;;
XX -*) ;;
XX *) if test "$Dir" = ""; then
XX Dir="$1" ;
XX elif test "$Remote" = ""; then
XX Remote="$1" ;
XX else
XX Local="$1" ;
XX fi ;;
XX esac
XX shift
XXdone
XXif test "$Ddir" != ""; then
XX Local="$Remote"
XX Remote="$Dir"
XX Dir="$Ddir"
XXfi
XX
XXListing=
XXif test "$Host" = ""; then
XX echo -n 'usage: '$Program' [-a|b|t] [-h host] [-d [rdir]] '
XX echo '[rdir] rfile [lfile]'
XX exit 0
XXelif test "$Remote" = ""; then
XX if test "$Ddir" = ""; then
XX echo -n 'usage: '$Program' [-a|b|t] [-h host] '
XX echo '[-d [rdir]] [rdir] rfile [lfile]'
XX exit 0
XX else
XX Listing=yes
XX fi
XXfi
XX
XXif test `echo $Remote | grep -c '*'` -ne 0; then
XX Get="mget"
XX Local=
XXelif test `echo $Remote | grep -c '?'` -ne 0; then
XX Get="mget"
XX Local=
XXelif test `echo $Remote | grep -c '\['` -ne 0; then
XX Get="mget"
XX Local=
XXelse
XX Get="get"
XX if test "$Local" = ""; then
XX Local="$Remote"
XX fi
XXfi
XX
XXif test -f $Netrc ; then mv $Netrc .aftp.$$ ; fi
XXecho "machine $Host, login $Login, password $Password" > $Netrc
XXchmod 600 $Netrc
XX if test "$Listing" = "yes"; then
XXecho listing of directory $Dir on $Host:
XXftp -v $Host << END_FTP
XXcd $Dir
XXdir
XXbye
XXEND_FTP
XX else # listing
XXdate
XXecho -n $Transfer transfer of $Host::$Dir/$Remote
XXif test "$Get" = "get"; then
XX echo ' to '$Local':'
XXelse
XX echo :
XXfi
XXftp -v -i $Host << END_FTP
XX$Transfer
XXcd $Dir
XX$Get $Remote $Local
XXbye
XXEND_FTP
XXecho ' '
XX fi # listing
XX
XXrm -f $Netrc
XXif test -f .aftp.$$ ; then mv -f .aftp.$$ $Netrc
XXelse rm -f .aftp.$$ ; fi
XX
XXexit 0
SHAR_EOF
if test 3097 -ne "`wc -c < aftp`"
then
echo shar: error transmitting "aftp" '(should have been 3097 characters)'
fi
fi # end of overwriting check
#
# End of shell archive
exit 0
Kevin Sweet ---------------------------------- sweet%kelvin@scubed.arpa
S-CUBED, 3398 Carmel Mountain, San Diego, CA 92121-1095, (619)587-8499
UUCP: [harvard,ihnp4!ames,rutgers,ucsd,uunet]scubed!kelvin!sweet
DECNET: SDSC::"SWEET@S3VAX.SPAN" , 1.312::SWEET