[net.news] Beware the coming of NET WARS

derek (02/07/83)

I really like Usenet.  It gives us all a forum to discuss
almost everything under the sun with our peers.  There are
a few problems.  Since we are all equal, no one can tell
anyone else what to do.  While this is good for the most
part, it does create some petty fighting among us.  Imagine,
now in this electronic age it is possible to make sworn 
enemies without ever laying eyes upon them.

In particular, the debate over which groups should and 
should not exist.  Recently there was a discussion about
net.gdead and whether it should be terminated or moved
to net.music.gdead.  A note just came to me saying that
it was removed by watarts!usenet after I had seen at 
least 4 requests to retain it in its present form. *sigh*

I would like to propose a form of central control.  WAIT,
before you start flaming please hear me out.  In this
country, we pride ourselves on democracy.  I believe that
this is also the custom in the United States of America too.
Why don't we elect a panel from among ourselves to decide
upon such issues.  The head of the panel we could call
a Prime Minister, or a President if you wish.  This panel
could decide upon which groups should be here and which
should not.  They could hear the proposals for new groups
and make a decision.  It would then be up to the president
to turn the plan to action and create the newsgroup.

This panel would have power.  It would be given to them
by we the people.  

If we all decide to go ahead with this I propose the
following procedure.

	o  create a group of 12 people spread out as
	   remotely as possible

	o  everyone who wished to vote would register
	   with each one

	o  prior to voting, the list of registered voters
	   would be posted to the net.  Possible bogus
	   voters would be spotted at this time.

	o  all registered voters would then cast their
	   ballots for their candidate(s)

	o  the results are tallied and our panel comes
	   into existence.

I would recommend that the panel consist of 12 'good men tried
and true' and women too!    The period of office would be one
year at which time the panel's final duty would be to hold the
next election.

This panel could officiate at the birds of a feather sessions
at Usenet, could be responsible for issuing letters of reprimand
to netnews readers who fail to follow our code of conduct (the
netnews etiquette which we all follow).

What do you think?  I think you should post your answers rather
than mail me direct - especially if they are personal attacks.
I have submitted this in good faith, hoping to prevent the coming
of NET WARS.

Derek Andrew
U of Saskatchewan

swatt (02/08/83)

Clearly, Derek is right that something has to be done; random people
anywhere in the net should not have the ability to destroy news in
machines not under their control.

There is also the issue of those systems who pay the costs to store and
forward news having some control over how and how much their resources
are used.

Various proposed solutions have been kicking around the net for well
over a year.  There are two basic camps:

  1)	Administrative solutions.  These advocate new policies,
	USENET boards to make decisions, etc.  Derek's ideas are
	of this type. There was considerable discussion about
	a month ago about a proposed "USENET, Inc." organization
	to take over administration chores.

  2)	Technical solutions.  Change the news software to allow
	each site better control.

Both types of solutions have their problems, which have been fairly
well discussed already.

I personally fall into those who favor technical solutions, not
becuase I unconditionally reject central control, but because I
believe any central control will have to manifest itself in technical
fixes anyway just to be effective.

Our site doesn't (yet) have the problem of management objecting to
net.jokes, but I do worry about "erewhon!usenet" doing some random
damage to an important newsgroup just for fun.

So, my desires for technical changes are:

  1)	There ought to be a distinction between what a site is willing
	to accept for itself and what it is willing to forward to others.

  2)	The principle ought to be embodied that only the local news
	administrator can do something irrevocable, unless by special
	pre-arrangement for the convenience of people who adminsiter
	several sites (this of course requires either massive UUCP
	changes, or a layer of encryption).

  3)	The cost of running USENET ought to be more visible so the
	local administrator can make informed decisions about which
	newsgroups to support and which to drop.  Curently you have
	to go to a fair amount of work to dig this out, and if your
	site is like ours, news is EXPENSIVE.

Now one problem both administrative and technical solutions (mine
included) have in common is they all represent volunteering of someone
else's time.  Most people I talk to already maintain news in their
"spare" time, so there isn't a lot left over.  Doesn't someone out
there want to do a thesis on "Means of Distributed Control Over A
Public News Network?"

	- Alan S. Watt

derek (02/08/83)

More on my idea:

	I do not advocate central control exactly, but rather
	a panel of people to set some reasonable policies.
	The duties of the panel would be basically decide on
	the names of newsgroups and if there is a demand.
	Since they would be elected my a majority, I am sure
	that most of us would follow their decisions. They
	would be people that we all knew and respect, such
	as Mark Horton.  I am sure most of us would agree
	that persons of this class would have better ideas 
	about which newsgroups should exists than first time
	users.  Is there anybody out there who would not
	respect Mark Horton's opinion?  I personally feel
	that what he has done for the net is a great service
	to ALL of us.  If he said that 'net.trivia' should
	not exists, I would not dismiss this as a stupid
	idea.

	Note that I have used Mark's name without his
	consent, not to suggest that he be on such a panel,
	but to show the class of person which would occupy
	the panel.

Derek Andrew
U of Saskatchewan