dana@hpcvlx.HP.COM (Dana Laursen) (09/20/88)
The non-proprietary release of Hewlett-Packard X Widgets is now
available for anonymous ftp from "hpcvaaz" (15.255.72.15).
The release includes source and documentation for the HP widget set,
plus bug-fixed source for X11 release 2 Xt Intrinsics, and widget
test programs. This is the same release that will be distributed
with the X11 R3 tape.
Here is how to get this software:
1. Create a directory for the release.
mkdir hpXwidgets
cd hpXwidgets
2. Start anonymous ftp and change to proper directory.
ftp 15.255.72.15.
login anonymous (password anonymous)
cd pub/hpXwidgets
3. Copy release files.
get XwCC.cover
get XwCC.src.tar.Z
get XwCC.doc.tar.Z
4. Terminate ftp.
bye
5. Extract release files.
chmod +x XwCC.cover
XwCC.cover
The XwCC.cover file is a script that extracts the release from the
compressed source and documentation tar files. After completing
these steps, refer to the ./README file for additional information.davem@gonzo.ETA.COM (Dave Marquardt) (09/20/88)
In article <100920007@hpcvlx.HP.COM> dana@hpcvlx.HP.COM (Dana Laursen) writes: > 3. Copy release files. > get XwCC.cover > get XwCC.src.tar.Z > get XwCC.doc.tar.Z You might want to use the "binary" command before getting XwCC.src.tar.Z and XwCC.doc.tar.Z. Dave
bob@allosaur.cis.ohio-state.edu (Bob Sutterfield) (09/21/88)
In article <100920007@hpcvlx.HP.COM> dana@hpcvlx.HP.COM (Dana Laursen) writes: > The non-proprietary release of Hewlett-Packard X Widgets is now > available for anonymous ftp from "hpcvaaz" (15.255.72.15). Could you please put this stuff on expo.lcs.mit.edu, with all the other contrib stuff? I'm having problems making contact with the host you mentioned. When I query hplabs.hp.com (the primary nameserver for hp.com, and that should know about hpcvaaz.hp.com) about hpcvaaz.hp.com, it tells me about two MX records for hpcvaaz, but no A (address) records. When I query hplabs.hp.com about the address 15.255.72.15, it returns the expected reverse-address mapping and tells me that the name associated with that address is hpcvaaz.hp.com. But I still can't get an address record back for the name. Then, when I try to FTP directly to 15.255.72.15, my connections always time out, as if the host were down, or perhaps there are bad routing problems betwixt hither and yon. In short, I'd really appreciate it if you could put this new release on a somewhat better-known system, that would be easier to get to. Thank you! Also, how does this release relate to the stuff in expo:contrib/Xhp? -=- Zippy sez, --Bob If elected, Zippy pledges to each and every American a 55-year-old houseboy...
mtr@mace.cc.purdue.edu (Miek Rowan) (09/21/88)
In article <22188@tut.cis.ohio-state.edu>, bob@allosaur.cis.ohio-state.edu (Bob Sutterfield) writes: > In article <100920007@hpcvlx.HP.COM> dana@hpcvlx.HP.COM (Dana Laursen) writes: > > The non-proprietary release of Hewlett-Packard X Widgets is now > > available for anonymous ftp from "hpcvaaz" (15.255.72.15). > > Could you please put this stuff on expo.lcs.mit.edu, with all the > other contrib stuff? I'm having problems making contact with the host > you mentioned. I put them out on expo:contrib/XwCC.*. I assume since they are going to be included with R3 that HP will have no problems with that. > Also, how does this release relate to the stuff in expo:contrib/Xhp? I would like to know the same. I checked the dates and sizes against the XwCC stuff. It looks like a completly different version (maybe I should look at the contents?) or a release in a more bugless state? mtr
ccaw001@UTADNX.CC.UTEXAS.EDU ("Rick Watson") (09/22/88)
Since I have little luck in reaching HP directly:
Re the latest release of the HP widgets:
The files in the doc directory seem (to me) to be pretty messed up.
Here's an example from ch04.n. Note on the second line, sequences like
"T^Ht" 'Capital T' overstruck with 'small t'. Once again I'll urge
HP to put the nroff sources back into the distribution.
4.4.2 _^HK_^He_^Hy_^Hb_^Ho_^Ha_^Hr_^Hd__^HT_^Hr_^Ha_ [...]
T^Hth^Hhe^Hrom^Hue^Hgn^Hhuts^Hhy^Hest^Hue^Hsm^He p^Hor [...]
Rick Watson
University of Texas at Austin
watson@utadnx.cc.utexas.edubob@deep-thought.prime.com (09/23/88)
The README file claims the HP Widget set compiled and ran on a Sun. Has anyone been able to get it to work on *their* Sun? When making in the test directory on my 3/50 running 4.0 I get: ld: Undefined symbol __mulsf3 __divsf3 __fixdfsi __floatsidf __extendsfdf2 __truncdfsf2 *** Error code 1 --bob pellegrino Prime Computer, Inc. bob@deep-thought.prime.com
jkh@pcsbst.UUCP (Jordan K. Hubbard) (09/24/88)
I'd be interested in hearing from people about their experiences with this package. My first impression of the HP widgets (on the beta R3 tape) has not been favorable. For one, the pulldown menus have been removed with a dull instrument, leaving several references still around that will bomb until you remove them. The applications I did get to compile are rather uh.. interesting. Upon being initially brought up (with or without a window manager running), their windows begin resizing rapidly as the various widgets duke it out for space. Geometry management is very strange, to say the least. Widgets also tend to highlight at odd times, and not consistantly at that (sometimes they will, sometimes they won't). The valuator "thumbs" do not always come up the same size. Sometimes they are rectangular, sometimes square. The "pane" widgets (I don't know what HP calls them) are difficult to use and often like to move in the direction opposite to that being dragged; I still haven't figure them out. On the plus side, the scrollbars look nicer. Little arrows and whatnot. Scrolling text widgets are faster and have a better "feel", though one is advised not to play with them too long as they get confused and start displaying only pieces of characters. On the whole, this is a rather surprising release from HP. Considering the track record they have for caution, I have to assume that the beta was almost forcibly extracted from the engineers in charge. I'd be interested in how many changes are planned [by HP] between now and the official R3 release. Anyone from HP listening who cares to comment? Jordan Hubbard PCS Computer Systeme GmbH uunet!unido!pcsbst!jkh
klee@daisy.UUCP (Ken Lee) (10/01/88)
In article <34700001@deep-thought> bob@deep-thought.prime.com writes: >The README file claims the HP Widget set compiled and ran on a Sun. >Has anyone been able to get it to work on *their* Sun? We have the HP widgets (XwCC) mostly running on our Sun 386i (SunOS 4.0). I think we had to hack the makefiles a little to remove the HP dependencies, but there were no other problems. Most of the demos work as advertised. Some of them seem to go into infinite geometry negotiation loops, infinitely resizing themselves. I wrote a couple of test programs, using only the basic composite widgets. There are quite a few more widgets in XwCC than in the Xaw library. SunView programmers will like the "valuator" widget which is similar to the SunView integer slider and the "workspace" widget whch is similar to the SunView canvas (allowing you to quickly hack Xlib code into Xt programs). Also, many of the widgets have more callbacks that the equivalent Xaw widgets. For example, the command button widget has button up and button down callbacks. What do other people think about this widget set? I think it was nice of HP to contribute it and hope that they continue to support it in future releases of X. Ken Lee Daisy Systems Corp., Interactive Graphics Tools Dept. -- uucp: {ames!atari, ucbvax!sgi, pyramid, uunet}!daisy!klee arpanet: daisy!klee@sgi.com or daisy!klee@uunet.uu.net I'm not a tourist, I was born in California.
dana@hpcvlx.HP.COM (Dana Laursen) (10/01/88)
Here is a followup on the responses to my original posting. My comments follow excerpts from the responses. ---------------- From: davem@gonzo.ETound the world, using telegraphy, voice, teleprinting, television, and facsimile. They can use any of 21 different frequency bands. Some hams design and build their own equipment or experiment with ways to refine radio transmissions. Generally, amateur radio is considered a hobby; specifically, the Amateur Radio Service is a voluntary, disciplined communications service guided by five traditional objectives: 1) To provide emergency or public service communications when normal communications are disrupted; 2) to advance the state of the radio art; 3) to improve individual skills in radio operation; 4) to provide a reserve pool of qualified radio operators and technicians; and 5) to promote international goodwill. Incidentally, an application of the first principle is the Radio Amateur Civil Emergency Service (3 Sep 1988 15:11:00 GMT Has anyone been able to get it to work on *their* Sun? When making in the test directory on my 3/50 running 4.0 I get: ld: Undefined symbol... The tests in the beta release were put in at the last minute, and not fully tested on other platforms. We were able to build everything in the current release on our Sun 3/260. Please send details if you are still having difficulties. ---------------- From: jkh@pcsbst.UUCP (Jordan K. Hubbard) Date: Sat, 24 Sep 1988 16:54:00 GMT ... the pulldown menus have been removed with a dull instrument, leaving several references still around that will bomb until you remove them. Pulldown menus were removed from the non-proprietary release of HP X Widgets due to legal ramifications of the unresolved HP/MicroSoft/Apple litigations. There were bogus includes for Pulldown.h and a couple other files in some of the test programs in the beta release. This problem has been corrected. The applications I did get to compile are rather uh.. interesting. Upon being initially brought up (with or without a window manager running), their windows begin resizing rapidly as the various widgets duke it out for space. Geometry management is very strange, to say the least. Widgets also tend to highlight at odd times... These "applications" are actually test programs generated to verify specific aspects of geometry management, highlighting and so forth. ... I'd be interested in how many changes are planned [by HP] between now and the official R3 release. Anyone from HP listening who cares to comment? The current distribution, which is also the official R3 release, includes many bugfixes that were not in the beta release, and corrects other problems noted above. ---------------- We appreciate your comments, suggestions, questions, and feedback about problems with HP X Widgets code and documentation. You can communicate with us directly by sending mail to: widgets%hpcvlx@hplabs.hp.com Dana Laursen #! rnews 878 Path: att!osu-cis!tut.cis.ohio-state.edu!mailrus!ames!pasteur!agate!labrea!decwrl!hplabs!hp-pcd!hpcvlx!harry From: harry@hpcvlx.HP.COM (Harry Phinney) Newsgroups: rec.bicycles Subject: Re: Bike race to be held with Del Mar IMSA race Message-ID: <102180017@hpcvlx.HP.COM> Date: 30 Sep 88 21:10:35 GMT References: <795@udiego.UUCP> Organization: Hewlett-Packard Co., Corvallis, OR, USA Lines: 11 > There are lots of good race tracks around - I've often wondered why > they don't run bicycle races on them. > Thomas A. Fine "They" do sometimes run bicycle races on motor racing tracks. There is a weekly Tuesday-night race at Portland International Raceway, and I remember a couple of races (including some of the classes at nationals I think) being run at Seattle I.R. These do provide very good bicycle racing courses with nearly perfect traffic control. Harry Phinney #! rnews 644 Path: att!osu-cis!tut.cis.ohio-state.edu!mailrus!ames!pasteur!agate!labrea!decwrl!hplabs!hp-pcd!hpcvlx!gjw From: gjw@hpc
mtr@mace.cc.purdue.edu (Miek Rowan) (10/01/88)
In article <100920011@hpcvlx.HP.COM>, dana@hpcvlx.HP.COM (Dana Laursen) writes: > From: bob@deep-thought.prime.com > Date: Fri, 23 Sep 1988 15:11:00 GMT > > Has anyone been able to get it to work on *their* Sun? When making > in the test directory on my 3/50 running 4.0 I get: > ld: Undefined symbol... > > The tests in the beta release were put in at the last minute, > and not fully tested on other platforms. We were able to build > everything in the current release on our Sun 3/260. > Please send details if you are still having difficulties. > I had no problems at all bringing up the widget set on our Suns. If you are still having problems, maybe you can post them again (I must have missed the first article) As far as the geometry managment, I got a kick out of it. It was kinda cool to watch. Start up like three of them and try and count how many times they resize. Its a great way to spend time when your brain is too fried to work. (like everytime the boss wants you at work at 9am!) mtr