[net.news] misc. Usenet items

lauren@vortex.UUCP (Lauren Weinstein) (08/18/83)

Greetings. 

I was quite amused by the recent Usenet survey results.  As I
scanned through them, I kept having this feeling that I'd seen
something similar years ago.  Finally it struck me -- have any of
you ever read a humorous book entitled "Up the Down Staircase"?
It is the (fictional) "diary" of a new teacher at a tough NYC
high school.  At various points throughout the book, she inserts
the contents of the "suggestion box" that she (supposedly) had
hung in her classroom.  There were always all sorts of notes,
ranging from the long and serious to the short and bizarre, sometimes
with added embellishments such as skull and crossbones or less
ominous drawings.  The whole tone of the abstracted Usenet survey
comments reminded me strongly of those suggestion box materials.
Anybody agree?

As for the actual statistical results of the survey -- I have, uh,
no comment at this time.

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A clarification should be made regarding moderated newsgroups.
While the survey tended to lump digests together with the entire
issue of group moderation, it has been my contention all along
that most moderated newsgroups would *not* be turned into digests, but 
would instead simply have a moderator who remailed separate items in
a reasonably organized manner.  There are some groups which probably
could benefit from digests, but let's keep in mind that digests are
not *necessary* to make moderated newsgroups work in most cases.

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Finally, a few words about charging for network path info.  Personally,
I consider this to be a rather poor idea.  If there's one datum
of information that should be free on a computer network, it should
be concerning relatively "least-cost" paths between nodes.  In fact,
the sites on the most limited budgets (the ones least likely to 
be able to pay for such information and probably also the most likely
to have "problems" with a budget "line item" for "Usenet routing tables")
are the very sites that *most* need that information to help control
their communications costs! 

At previous Unix conferences, I recall seeing sheets where we were
all encouraged to fill in our network routing information -- the
impression was clearly given that this information would later be
organized and distributed freely.  I'd hate to see that sort of
"free spirited" data wasted.  Under a charging scheme, would we find
some major sites attempting to charge the "network path business" itself 
for access to uuname and other data?  I mean, after all, if a business
is going to make money collecting and selling data, why can't the people
providing the original raw data *also* charge?  The whole idea of charging
for any of this information sounds like an undesirable can of worms to me.

That's about all I'd like to say about this for now, except to add that a
business trying to provide routing information for a fee could be rather
suddenly undercut.  This could happen if a cooperating group of net wizards
actually put their heads together and started distributing reasonable
path information on a free basis (it's a big job, but given the generally
geographic localization of the net, not an unreasonable task).

--Lauren--