aew@mdavcr.UUCP (Alan Walford) (10/06/89)
Has anyone out there compared XView to the AT&T OpenLook toolkit ? I have heard that XView is not that great if you are not a SunView programmer. On the other hand: - I have heard very little (read nothing) about the AT&T toolkit so I don't know what it is like - XView is probably not the only OpenLook toolkit that Sun will sell - The GUIDE software that will create XView code after interactive definition of your interface will make things easier Does anyone have the AT&T toolkit ? Does it match OpenLook in terms of concepts and terminology ? Do you know where I can get it ? Alan Walford MacDonald Dettwiler (604) 278-3411 ... uunet!van-bc!mdavcr!carto!aew
bob@odi.COM (Bob Miner) (10/07/89)
> Has anyone out there compared XView to the AT&T OpenLook toolkit ? > > I have heard that XView is not that great if you are not a SunView > programmer. On the other hand: > > - I have heard very little (read nothing) about the AT&T toolkit > so I don't know what it is like > - XView is probably not the only OpenLook toolkit that Sun will sell > - The GUIDE software that will create XView code after interactive > definition of your interface will make things easier > > Does anyone have the AT&T toolkit ? Does it match OpenLook in terms > of concepts and terminology ? Do you know where I can get it ? > > Alan Walford > > MacDonald Dettwiler > (604) 278-3411 > > ... uunet!van-bc!mdavcr!carto!aew First, I believe the OpenLook toolkit will match the OpenLook style guide very well. It'd be hard to call it an OpenLook toolkit otherwise. Second, I contacted AT&T about their OpenLook toolkit a few months ago. At that time, I found two main contacts: Binary Licenses: Bill Stanger (201) 898-6076 Source Licenses: George Derby (201) 576-3178 Another phone number I've since been given for a salesperson is: Nancy Trachtenbarg (201) 898-6432 The binary version was only available on the AT&T 6386 WGS workstation and 80386-based compatibles like the COMPAQ 386. I believe, although my memory is fuzzy, that the source version was also available only on 386 machines. A source version which would be release quality and portable to other machines like Sun 3's and 4's, wouldn't be available until early next year. The cost of the source version of the toolkit, as quoted to me at that time, was roughly identical to the cost of Motif - $995. I don't know the cost of the binary version. If anyone has more recent information, or corrections to what I've stated, please let me know. My information, as I stated, is several months old and I sincerely don't want to misrepresent AT&T. I'm not affiliated in any manner with AT&T or Sun. Bob Miner Object Design Inc. Internet: bob@odi.com 1 New England Executive Park Or: odi!bob@uunet.uu.net Burlington, MA 01803 Or: odi!bob@eddie.mit.edu (617) 270-9797
randy@erik.UUCP (Randy Brown) (10/07/89)
We have the AT&T Open Look toolkit; it's an ordinary widget set, not too different from the others. We also have XView, which is NOT a widget set (i.e., does not use the Intrinsics). Sun is promising Guide for interactive user interface generation; Expert Object Corp already has Exocode available (at least it's Real Soon Now; we have the beta). AT&T is in beta with UIMX from Visual Edge Software. UIMX promises to do mmore than the others--it includes a C interpreter and can actually run the application, perform callbacks, etc., while the UI is under development. Since it's in beta (and we haven't had it long) I can't say how well it works. The AT&T widget set (Xol) si pretty slow right now, but there's to be a big performance enhancement in January or so (things on the order of replacing floating point with fixed point, etc.), so right now it's only fair to say that it seems to function well. If you buy the AT&T source code, all bets are off--my comments apply to the 386 binary version. If you're into widgets, use AT&T's toolkit; if you'd prefer to be independent of the current fluxible state of the intrinsics as you go from platform to platform, try Sun's XView source. ... rb