[net.news] use of bell.all, sending to non-local distributions

sdo@u1100a.UUCP (Scott Orshan) (05/09/84)

>  a possible solution.  How about setting up a mail alias of
>  "wanted" on every system, such that mailing to "wanted" will post the
>  article to the smallest possible distribution that the site is a part
>  of.  Thus, to post something to chi.wanted, I could just find a site
>  in Chicago (via the usenet maps) and mail my letter to 
>  .....!<chicago-site>!wanted .

That's a very good idea.  I had thought of having a "carrier" type
newsgroup that nobody read, but was used to carry external
distribution news.  Thus, one could post to net.carrier,chi.wanted.
This would mean that the article goes everywhere, but only chi
sites see it.  The advantage of the mail alias idea is that the
article doesn't have to be carried all over the world.  Is it
only the Berkeley UNIX mail that allows this aliasing, or can
anyone do it?

This goes along with my other suggestion that the local distributions
be published in the monthly newsgroup list.  If this scheme
is adopted, the gateway sites will have to appear in this list.
Readnews should eventually be modified to inform the reader that
an article in a local newsgroup came from outside the dist.
This is so proprietary information won't accidentally be released
in a reply to an article.

The only remaining problem is that the original poster will never
see any followup discussion on the topic.  Maybe the "followup"
command should mail each article to the originator of the discussion.

I think a discussion of the network structure is in order.
I will start thinking about it, and I encourage discussion in
net.news.  I have added net.news to this article's newsgroup list.
Would anyone who follows this up please remove net.followup from the
list?

		Scott Orshan
		Bell Communications Research
		201-981-3064
		{ihnp4,allegra,pyuxww}!u1100a!sdo

dave@utcsrgv.UUCP (Dave Sherman) (05/10/84)

BBannerje's suggestion has a flaw: if you mail to "wanted" on
utcsrgv, how do you define automatically whether you want the
distribution:
	local - utcsrgv only
	ut.all	U of Toronto sites
	tor.all	Toronto sites
	ont.all	Ontario sites
	can.all	Canadian sites
??

I use all of these distributions for postings with different purposes.

The correct way of getting a posting to a local distribution is
to send mail to either someone you know or an administrator within
that distribution. I have posted things to ont.jobs and ut.general
for people in other provinces. If you don't know an administrator,
check net.news.map.

Dave Sherman
Toronto
-- 

 dave at Toronto (CSnet)
 {allegra,cornell,decvax,ihnp4,linus,utzoo}!utcsrgv!dave

arnold@gatech.UUCP (Arnold Robbins) (05/10/84)

[Spock Lives!]

In reference to the idea of ...!<non-local-site>!wanted, the question was
raised about how to determine which of the possible distributions in the
<non-local-site>'s area to distribute to (e.g. Atlanta vs. Georgia).

One suggestion was to have several 'wanted' logins, e.g. atl.wanted,
ga.wanted.  Instead I propose that 'wanted' be treated like a site, with
the distribution as the id, i.e.  ...!gatech!wanted!atl	would only be
distributed to the Atlanta area.  This seems more consistent with current
practice/usage/convention.  This localizes things in the treatment of
the 'wanted' id, instead of there having to be N copies for each different
distribution.

(Parenthetical note, I am using gatech and atlanta as examples only,
I'm not volunteering either myself or my administator to set this up.
It should be a net wide decision, anyway. Besides, we're both somewhat
busy at the present.)

So much for my two cents,
-- 
Arnold Robbins
CSNET: arnold@gatech
ARPA:  arnold%gatech.csnet@csnet-relay.arpa
UUCP:  ...!{akgua, allegra, rlgvax, sb1, ut-sally}!gatech!arnold

"All this digital stuff is just a fad.  Analog is the way to go."
	-- William M. Robbins, 1984