bruce@servio.UUCP (Bruce Schuchardt) (10/31/89)
I've had a color DS2100 for a couple of weeks now and am still shocked and horrified by the default colors in the rgb database. The "pink" color in particular looks like the flesh-tone of someone who has been puking for several hours and would really rather get a bullet in the head than go on living. It seems to me that the vendors (e.g., Digital) who ship canned X systems should be tuning the default, named colors to look as good as possible on their machines. Or is it just the case that these colors look awful on everyone's system and (in this case) Digital decided to go for compatibility? What do you say? Does your "pink" look as bad as mine? Do you normally whip up your own color table entries and ignore these default colors? -- ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Bruce Schuchardt Ph: (503) 629-8383 Servio Logic bruce@servio.SLC.COM Beaverton, OR uunet!servio!bruce
jct@orca.WV.TEK.COM (John C Thomas) (11/01/89)
In article <272@servio.UUCP> bruce@servio.UUCP (Bruce Schuchardt) writes: >I've had a color DS2100 for a couple of weeks now and am still shocked >and horrified by the default colors in the rgb database. The "pink" >color in particular looks like the flesh-tone of someone who has been >puking for several hours and would really rather get a bullet in the >head than go on living. > >It seems to me that the vendors (e.g., Digital) who ship canned X systems >should be tuning the default, named colors to look as good as possible on >their machines. Or is it just the case that these colors look awful on >everyone's system and (in this case) Digital decided to go for compatibility? > >What do you say? Does your "pink" look as bad as mine? Do you normally >whip up your own color table entries and ignore these default colors? > > >-- >~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ > Bruce Schuchardt Ph: (503) 629-8383 > Servio Logic bruce@servio.SLC.COM > Beaverton, OR uunet!servio!bruce I read some place that these colors were supposed to have come from the DEC-240. Anyway, the MIT-supplied values for named colors didn't look very good on our SONY monitors, either. Therefore, as an X-server developer for my employer, (Tektronix, Inc) it was my responsibility to do something about it. Advised by our human factors folks that "standard" named colors exist, but only for well-controlled color coordinate systems (like CIE, but not for RGB), I sat down one evening with the handiest standard of subjective color names, a box of 72 Crayola crayons. (Believe it or not, over 50% of the colors from rgb.txt were represented.) Using an X-client implementation of the TekColor model, I created the following list of named colors. Appearance on your monitor may vary because of brand, age, and video drive circuitry, but I think you will find it a better match for the average monitor, than the original rgb.txt file from MIT. John C Thomas Tektronix, Inc. Wilsonville, OR jct@windex.TEK.COM (503) 685-2876 *************************** cut here ****************************************** 0 0 0 black 255 255 255 white 255 0 0 red 0 255 0 green 0 0 255 blue 0 255 255 cyan 255 0 211 magenta 255 255 0 yellow 255 138 0 orange 159 211 0 green yellow 0 255 159 spring green 0 138 255 sky blue 148 0 211 violet 255 0 148 violet red 105 105 105 dim gray 174 174 174 gray 174 174 174 grey 211 211 211 light grey 211 211 211 light gray 105 105 105 dim grey 199 21 133 medium violet red 114 33 188 blue violet 218 107 212 orchid 172 77 166 medium orchid 106 37 102 dark orchid 103 7 72 maroon 76 46 87 plum 146 62 112 thistle 171 197 255 light blue 61 98 208 medium blue 100 149 237 cornflower blue 0 0 142 navy blue 0 0 142 navy 12 62 99 midnight blue 72 209 204 turquoise 62 172 181 medium turquoise 29 111 117 dark turquoise 52 152 202 light steel blue 55 121 153 steel blue 126 125 160 cadet blue 117 134 190 slate blue 95 109 154 medium slate blue 51 62 99 dark 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tom@ICASE.EDU (Tom Crockett) (11/02/89)
> *Excerpts from xpert: 30-Oct-89 This is pink?? Bruce Schuchardt@bloom-b (946)* > It seems to me that the vendors (e.g., Digital) who ship canned X systems > should be tuning the default, named colors to look as good as possible on > their machines. I'll second that! And if they wanted to be _really_ nice they could submit the tuned rgb databases to MIT so they could be distributed with the MIT software. Flames to /dev/null, please. Tom Crockett ICASE Institute for Computer Applications in Science and Engineering M.S. 132C e-mail: tom@icase.edu NASA Langley Research Center phone: (804) 864-2182 Hampton, VA 23665-5225
jg@max.crl.dec.com (Jim Gettys) (11/07/89)
In article <UZI3oOz0-csmM3mLZ=@sparc01>, tom@ICASE.EDU (Tom Crockett) writes: > > *Excerpts from xpert: 30-Oct-89 This is pink?? Bruce Schuchardt@bloom-b (946)* > > > It seems to me that the vendors (e.g., Digital) who ship canned X systems > > should be tuning the default, named colors to look as good as possible on > > their machines. > > I'll second that! And if they wanted to be _really_ nice they could submit the > tuned rgb databases to MIT so they could be distributed with the MIT software. You are all right. We just updated the monitors recently and they have quite different characteristics than the previous (not that the database was all that good for them, either). I tried pink on the VR299 I recently hooked up to my PMAX and it is pretty hideous. We are working on fixing this. Jim Gettys Digital Equipment Corporation Cambridge Research Laboratory