rick@hanauma (Richard Ottolini) (01/04/90)
Does Scheifler's posting a few days ago that Motif source will not be shipping with the R4 mean that it is not ready yet or that its distribution is proprietary to OSF members?
jim@kanga.lcs.mit.edu (Jim Fulton) (01/04/90)
Does Scheifler's posting a few days ago that Motif source will not be shipping with the R4 mean that it is not ready yet or that its distribution is proprietary to OSF members? It means that Motif is a product of OSF and is *not* part of MIT's distribution.
news@bbn.COM (News system owner ID) (01/04/90)
In article <6844@lindy.Stanford.EDU> rick@hanauma (Richard Ottolini) writes:
< Does Scheifler's posting a few days ago that Motif source will not
< be shipping with the R4 mean that it is not ready yet or that its
< distribution is proprietary to OSF members?
I believe that this was said earlier in the group.
If it is true (that Motif is not generally available for free), then
this is a GOOD reason to go with something that is. "Just say no."
How about a UI that is covered (in look and feel) by the Gnu Public
License (more or less -- applications may be sold, but the look and
feel of such applications cannot ever be made propriatery)? (flames
on this should NOT be posted to comp.windows.x)
-- Paul Placeway <pplaceway@bbn.com>klee@chico.pa.dec.com (Ken Lee) (01/04/90)
In article <6844@lindy.Stanford.EDU>, rick@hanauma (Richard Ottolini) writes: > > Does Scheifler's posting a few days ago that Motif source will not be shipping with > the R4 mean that it is not ready yet or that its distribution is proprietary > to OSF members? Motif will not be part of X11R4. Neither will the Open Look widget set. Several vendors have announced, however, that they will soon be shipping one or the other of these "free" with their system software. In the mean time, you can license Motif and Open Look directly from OSF and AT&T, respectively. Ken Lee DEC Western Software Laboratory, Palo Alto, Calif. Internet: klee@decwrl.dec.com uucp: uunet!decwrl!klee
kaleb@mars.jpl.nasa.gov (Kaleb Keithley) (01/04/90)
In article <6844@lindy.Stanford.EDU> rick@hanauma (Richard Ottolini) writes: > >Does Scheifler's posting a few days ago that Motif source will not be shipping with >the R4 mean that it is not ready yet or that its distribution is proprietary >to OSF members? Neither, anyone can purchase a site license for Motif for US$1000 from OSF. (Neither is not a legal term...) Motif (3D) will never be part of the X release. Or get DecWindows, which is incorporating Motif into their next release (or so I've heard) or HPUX which comes with Motif (more hearsay?) Chewey, get us outta here! kaleb@mars.jpl.nasa.gov (818)354-8771 Kaleb Keithley
mayer%hplnpm@HPLABS.HP.COM (Niels P. Mayer) (01/05/90)
From: kaleb@mars.jpl.nasa.gov (Kaleb Keithley) > Or get DecWindows, which is incorporating Motif into their next > release (or so I've heard) or HPUX which comes with Motif (more hearsay?) I can't comment about DecWindows, but HPUX 7.0 is shipping right now and comes with everything in Motif 1.0 except for UIL. (Excluding UIL was a Good Thing IMHO, since it is offal.) Motif on HPUX is definitely real -- An HP customer that is using my WINTERP rapid prototyping environment for Motif applications (see X11r4 contrib) wrote me that he received his HPUX 7.0 tapes just the other day. > Motif (3D) will never be part of the X release. I'm no business-head, but I do think it would be a good idea for OSF to release Motif source for free for no other reason than to establish a standard. Plenty of good technical work has failed to become a standard because potential users are not willing to go through the hassles imposed by licence agreements. Another semi-technical argument for making Motif free is that improvements to Motif, such as the addition of new widgets will be hampered. It is virtually impossible to write a new widget without source code. The source to a new widget will invariably contain sections of code transferred via cut&paste from existing Motif source. Developers of new widgets may then run afoul of OSF licencing agreements in attempting to distribute their work. I'm currently a bit stumped by this situation since I'm beginning to think about the design of a hypertext widget that is a subclass of the Motif text editor widget for use in WINTERP.... if I want to be able to distribute the source for free, I may have to rewrite it from scratch. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Niels Mayer -- hplabs!mayer -- mayer@hplabs.hp.com Human-Computer Interaction Department Hewlett-Packard Laboratories Palo Alto, CA. *
rogerk@mips.COM (Roger B.A. Klorese) (01/10/90)
In article <2497@jato.Jpl.Nasa.Gov> kaleb@mars.UUCP (Kaleb Keithley) writes: >Or get DecWindows, which is incorporating Motif into their next >release (or so I've heard) or HPUX which comes with Motif (more hearsay?) ...or RISCwindows from Mips, or any one of dozens of other vendor window solutions. -- ROGER B.A. KLORESE MIPS Computer Systems, Inc. phone: +1 408 720-2939 928 E. Arques Ave. Sunnyvale, CA 94086 rogerk@mips.COM {ames,decwrl,pyramid}!mips!rogerk "Two guys, one cart, fresh pasta... *you* figure it out." -- Suzanne Sugarbaker
ries@venice.SEDD.TRW.COM (Marc Ries) (01/11/90)
In article <18270.631494208@hplnpm> mayer%hplnpm@HPLABS.HP.COM (Niels P. Mayer) writes: > >From: kaleb@mars.jpl.nasa.gov (Kaleb Keithley) [..] ->> Or get DecWindows, which is incorporating Motif into their next ->> release (or so I've heard) or HPUX which comes with Motif (more hearsay?) ->I can't comment about DecWindows, but HPUX 7.0 is shipping right now and ->comes with everything in Motif 1.0 except for UIL. (Excluding UIL was a ->Good Thing IMHO, since it is offal.) -> ->Motif on HPUX is definitely real -- An HP customer that is using my WINTERP ->rapid prototyping environment for Motif applications (see X11r4 contrib) ->wrote me that he received his HPUX 7.0 tapes just the other day. Is there a reason why MOTIF (at least the version we have from HP) does not actually have a HELP widget like the one from the DEC Widget set? Every thing in the programmers guide and the contributed progs show this nice help button -- that goes no where?! Since alot of the DEC Widgets stuff came over with MOTIF, where the HELPWIDGET stuff?! Is it planned for a future release or never or? -- Marc Ries ries@venice.sedd.trw.com (ARPA) somewhere!trwind!venice!ries (UUCP) #include <std.disclaimer>