nazgul@alphalpha.com (Kee Hinckley) (04/05/90)
In article <1990Apr4.015351.25597@dasys1.uucp> mls@dasys1.uucp (Michael Siemon) writes: > >I'd like to request discussion towards creating a new group to be called >comp.windows.openlook, intended for programming and product discussions >of stuff built on the Open Look(*) X11 toolkit. The idea is to keep such *Which* Open Look X11 toolkit? XView or Xt+? The current move seems to be towards: comp.windows.x.motif comp.windows.x.xview presumably if there is demand you could do comp.windows.x.xt+ >My understanding is that comp.windows.x (a.k.a. xpert) is not easily >splittable, being in its primary incarnation not a USENET group at all, It is splitable in that a second mailing list can be created people can be redirected to use that for appropriate discussions. If comp.windows.x.motif is created I'll redirect it to/from the motif@alphalpha.com mailing list. Presumbably someone can do the same for xview/xt+ >but a mailing list maintained by the X Consortium people at MIT. It >seems to me to make sense to keep discussions of the specific toolkits >(as opposed to more generic software like the intrinsics, or XView) >out of xpert. Hence, if discussion seems favorable, I will run a vote Yes, but. XView isn't "more generic software". Did you mean to imply that it belonged in or out of the xpert mailing list? -- +-----------------------------------------------------------------------------+ | Alphalpha Software, Inc. | Voice/Fax: 617/646-7703 | Home: 617/641-3805 | | 148 Scituate St. | Smart fax, dial number. | | | Arlington, MA 02174 | Dumb fax, dial number, | BBS: 617/641-3722 | | nazgul@alphalpha.com | wait for ring, press 3. | 300/1200/2400 baud | +-----------------------------------------------------------------------------+
rowe@cme.nist.GOV (Walter Rowe) (04/09/90)
>>>>> On 4 Apr 90 15:05:59 GMT, crdgw1!barnett@uunet.uu.net (Bruce Barnett) said: Bruce> In article <1990Apr4.015351.25597@dasys1.uucp> mls@dasys1.uucp Bruce> (Michael Siemon) writes: Bruce> I'd like to request discussion towards creating a new group to Bruce> be called comp.windows.openlook, intended for programming and Bruce> product discussions of stuff built on the Open Look(*) X11 Bruce> toolkit. Bruce> This is a bad name. OpenLook is a user interface. There is Bruce> nothing that says it is related to X. You make a good point in that OpenLook isn't tied directly to X. The author should have phrased his question differently. But, the name should still be OK since it doesn't make any specific reference to X. -wpr --- Walter P. Rowe, <rowe@cme.nist.gov> System Administrator, Robot Systems Division National Institute of Standards and Technology
niklas@appli.se (Niklas Hallqvist) (04/09/90)
In <1990Apr5.130434.11677@dasys1.uucp> Michael Siemon writes: > ... My > own preference is for a single openlook group, independent of the X11 > groups. Well, why not create a root group for Graphical User Interfaces (GUI) named comp.gui and make off-springs for every often-discussed GUI, like comp.gui.openlook, comp.gui.pm, comp.gui.mac etc.? This newsgroup structure would encapsulate "look and feel" discussions. In the root group would general GUI discussions reside, like "What feels best, multi-clicking on one mouse button vs. single-clicking on multiple mouse buttons?". Niklas
jdm@gssc.UUCP (John David Miller) (04/11/90)
Count my vote as a "yay" for an OPEN LOOK newsgroup. I will probably be a regular contributor, as my book on OPEN LOOK Toolkit programming is due out the first part of May: tm tm Title: An OPEN LOOK at UNIX: A Developer's Guide to X Author: John David Miller Publisher: M&T Publishing (publishers of Dr. Dobb's Journal) Topic: Comprehensive programming tour of the AT&T OPEN LOOK X Toolkit, including nearly 13,000 lines of C code. Ch 1 : Overview of the OPEN LOOK GUI as it affects app style Ch 2 : Concise summary of X from the app-developer's view Ch 3 : Intro to Object-Oriented Programming Ch 4 : App-developer's guide to the Xt Intrinsics Ch 5 : The OPEN LOOK widget and gadget set, demo'ing every one Ch 6 : Turning programs into real apps: ICCCM, Xrm, OL GUI Ap A : The Xtutil Utility Library: the things Xt forgot I worked on this book for over a year, and during that time watched OPEN LOOK evolve from a spec with a weak implementation to an extremely powerful and usable user- and programmer-interface. The folks at AT&T are to be commended on their outstanding work. Certainly, UI design is highly-subjective, but for my $.02, I prefer many OPEN LOOK UI policies to those of the NeXT machine I am using to type this. If you do buy the book, please feel free to contact me with any questions and comments. -- jdm -- John David Miller jdm@gss.com Graphic Software Systems uunet!gssc!jdm 9590 S.W. Gemini Dr. (503) 641-2200 (voice) Beaverton, OR 97005-7161 (503) 643-8642 (FAX)