zinnato@NADC.NADC.NAVY.MIL (R. Zinnato) (07/04/90)
can we please STOP with the stupid OpenLook vs. Motif debates? I'm really getting tired of hearing everyone's *personal* opinion. I don't give a good goddam *what* you think. I've made up my mind. I'm sure everyone in this discussion has made up their mind, or at least has an idea, and I don't think *your* 2 cents worth will really change their mind. I have enough stuff to wade through each day without having to hear why *you* feel OpenLook is superior to Motif or vica-versa. Give it a rest.
jim@ocsmd.ocs.COM (Jim Muth) (07/04/90)
> can we please STOP with the stupid OpenLook vs. Motif debates? I'm really > getting tired of hearing everyone's *personal* opinion. I agree! Sort of. The OpenLook vs. Motif debate is degenerating into a religious war. What would REALLY be helpful (IMHO) is some lively debate on how to use OpenLook, or Motif, or whatever, to write a good user-interface. A consistent look-and-feel or a nifty toolkit doesn't guarantee that a user-interface will be easy to use. And that's the whole point, isn't it? ______ Jim Muth (jim@ocs.com) Online Computer Systems, Inc.
kestrel.raveling@unify.UUCP (Paul Raveling) (07/05/90)
> > The OpenLook vs. Motif debate is degenerating into a religious war. What > would REALLY be helpful (IMHO) is some lively debate on how to use OpenLook, > or Motif, or whatever, to write a good user-interface. A consistent > look-and-feel or a nifty toolkit doesn't guarantee that a user-interface will > be easy to use. And that's the whole point, isn't it? Not entirely. One of my greatest concerns is that when we develop standards we often nail ourselves to the trailing edge of technology, and we pay for it forever. User interfaces are the #2 spot I'd name where the quality of the tool has the most leverage on its users' productivity -- we have potentially lots to gain and risk having lots to lose. #1 on the leverage list is operating systems, where we're pretty well stuck with 1970 technology. Some of us have been looking back for years and saying "we could have and should have done that better -- it's costing us plenty in software engineering time". The same is already true to some extent for X, but the X11 standard will probably also be with us forever. At least with OpenLook and Motif a choice is available between two competitors; we'd do well to choose wisely. ------------------ Paul Raveling Raveling@unify.com
datri@convex.com (Anthony A. Datri) (07/09/90)
> with OpenLook and Motif a choice is available between two > competitors; we'd do well to choose wisely. Why do we have to choose at all? I ignore both of them. --