csd29@seq1.kl.ac.uk (A. Herath) (07/09/90)
Hi, Hay, Open Look is not Free, look what I receive from a claimed sales rep. | Received: by uel.co.uk (UNIX System Laboratories Europe Ltd.) | id AA09891; 9 Jul 90 09:39:11 BST (Mon) | Received: by somewhere (USL Europe Internal Network) | id AA13859; 9 Jul 90 09:38:14 BST (Mon) | To: csd29@uk.ac.keele.seq1 | Subject: enquiry | Cc: catrina@uk.co.uel | Message-Id: <9007090938.AA13859@uel.co.uk> | Date: 9 Jul 90 09:38:14 BST (Mon) | From: Catrina Morgan <catrina@uk.co.uel> | Status: O | | | Dear Mr Herath | | Your enquiry has been passed on to me as I deal with all | educational enquiries in Europe. | | The OPEN LOOK source code is available from this office, however | we do not offer an educational price for this product. The initial | CPU costs US $1,000 with additonal machines priced at US $500. | | If you would like to license this product, please contact me with | the following details: | | type, serial number and specific location of the machines you | wish to license | | your institution's central administrative address | | Should you have any questions, please do not hesitate to | contact either myself or Mr Chris Schoettle (uel!cts) who | is our technical expert for GUI products. | | Yours sincerely | | | Catrina Morgan | LICENSING MANAGER | | tel +44 81 567 7711 | | fax +44 81 567 2420 | So stop bashing MOTIFF. It's cheaper to buy MOTIFF than this. Athula.
guy@auspex.auspex.com (Guy Harris) (07/11/90)
>Hay, Open Look is not Free, "Open Look" is not a product, it's a specification; the books containing the specification do, indeed, cost money. However, I think this discussion is largely referring to *implementations* of that specification; e.g., toolkits and window managers. There exist Open Look toolkits that are free (XView), and Open Look toolkits that cost money (AT&T's XT+, and, I think, Sun's NeWS-based tNt). There exist Open Look window managers that are free ("olwm", in the contributed software part of the X11R4 release), and Open Look window managers that cost money (AT&T's X-based one, and, I think, Sun's "pswm" that manages both X and NeWS windows). >look what I receive from a claimed sales rep. > >| Received: by uel.co.uk (UNIX System Laboratories Europe Ltd.) USL used to be USO, which is still, I think, owned by AT&T. Therefore, she is probably speaking of the AT&T Open Look toolkit, window manager, etc., which, as indicated above, cost money.
west@gsrc.dec.com (Jim West (Stealth Contractor)) (07/11/90)
In article <435@keele.keele.ac.uk>, csd29@seq1.kl.ac.uk (A. Herath) writes... - -Hi, - - -Hay, Open Look is not Free, look what I receive from a claimed sales -rep. - - -| Received: by uel.co.uk (UNIX System Laboratories Europe Ltd.) -| id AA09891; 9 Jul 90 09:39:11 BST (Mon) -| Received: by somewhere (USL Europe Internal Network) -| id AA13859; 9 Jul 90 09:38:14 BST (Mon) -| To: csd29@uk.ac.keele.seq1 -| Subject: enquiry -| Cc: catrina@uk.co.uel -| Message-Id: <9007090938.AA13859@uel.co.uk> -| Date: 9 Jul 90 09:38:14 BST (Mon) -| From: Catrina Morgan <catrina@uk.co.uel> -| Status: O -| -| -| Dear Mr Herath -| -| Your enquiry has been passed on to me as I deal with all -| educational enquiries in Europe. -| -| The OPEN LOOK source code is available from this office, however -| we do not offer an educational price for this product. The initial -| CPU costs US $1,000 with additonal machines priced at US $500. -| Just remember that this is a SOURCE license. A vendor will buy a source license and then produce a binary product which is MUCH cheaper to sell. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Jim West | The Schainker Converse west@gsrc.dec.com | to Hoare's Law : | These are my opinions. | Inside every small problem Digital has no idea | is a larger problem struggling what I'm saying. | to get out. ----------------------------------------------------------------------
rick@hanauma.stanford.edu (Richard Ottolini) (07/12/90)
In article <1414@shodha.dec.com> west@gsrc.dec.com (Jim West (Stealth Contractor)) writes:
The XView package distributed free with MIT-XWindows implements the Open Look
style standard. It is one of four five implementations of Open Look.mls@cbnewsm.att.com (mike.siemon) (07/12/90)
In article <1414@shodha.dec.com> west@gsrc.dec.com (Jim West (Stealth Contractor)) writes: > Just remember that this is a SOURCE license. A vendor will buy a source > license and then produce a binary product which is MUCH cheaper to sell. The source license carries with it license to run the derived binary on all machines networked to the licensed one in a radius of 25 miles. So a site like a university needs only one source license (or at least, one per major geographic location.) Disclaimer: this is what I remember from staff meetings at USENIX; I am not in marketing, and you really should explore these issues with them (in some depth, rather than just reacting to a few words.) As someone else pointed out, this particular question only refers to the USL (a wholly-owned AT&T subsidiary :-)) OPEN LOOK product offering Xt+, not to other variants. And of course, you should *also* explore in depth what you do and do not get with Motif licenses. -- Michael L. Siemon Inflict Thy promises with each m.siemon@ATT.COM Occasion of distress, ...!att!sfsup!mls That from our incoherence we standard disclaimer May learn to put our trust in Thee