root@cheviot.UUCP (Lindsay F. Marshall) (12/20/84)
This is a mild flame! I was just looking at the contents of the USENET map data files and the thought struck me - "Wouldnt it be nice if everyone in the US admitted the existence of the rest of the world and specified their phone numbers CORRECTLY, preceded with a +1, instead of the (parochial) area code in brackets." I dont care all that much but it would seem like common politeness...... (By the way why is the map file for the UK called eur.gb not eur.uk?? We have uknet, ukucp, /usr/group/uk etc. etc. Why this remnant of our Imperial past from before the time we joined the Third World??) Lindsay F. Marshall - Computing Lab., U of Newcastle upon Tyne, UK ARPA : lindsay%cheviot%newcastle.mailnet@MIT-MULTICS.ARPA UUCP : <UK>!ukc!cheviot!lindsay
piet@mcvax.UUCP (Piet Beertema) (12/21/84)
>Wouldnt it be nice if everyone in the US admitted the existence of >the rest of the world and specified their phone numbers CORRECTLY >preceded with a +1, instead of the (parochial) >area code in brackets Yes, please! >By the way why is the map file for the UK called eur.gb not eur.uk?? All the Eunet maps are identified by the country identification letters you see on cars. That why e.g. the Finland map is in eur.sf and the map for the UK in eur.gb; the same goes for e.g. Korea (asia.rok). -- Piet Beertema, CWI, Amsterdam ...{decvax,philabs}!mcvax!piet
steiny@scc.UUCP (Don Steiny) (12/22/84)
> This is a mild flame! I was just looking at the contents of the USENET > map data files and the thought struck me - "Wouldnt it be nice if everyone > in the US admitted the existence of the rest of the world and specified > their phone numbers CORRECTLY, preceded with a +1, instead of the (parochial) > area code in brackets." I dont care all that much but it would seem like > common politeness...... > It is not necessary to proceded phone numbers with a 1 in the Santa Clara dialing area, ie Silicon Valley. It is an error to do so. People know if it is required in their area or not. -- scc!steiny Don Steiny - Personetics @ (408) 425-0382 109 Torrey Pine Terr. Santa Cruz, Calif. 95060 ihnp4!pesnta -\ fortune!idsvax -> scc!steiny ucbvax!twg -/
steiny@scc.UUCP (Don Steiny) (12/23/84)
*** In some areas of the US, it is necessary to have numbers of the form 1 (nnn) nnn-nnnn. In others it is an error to do that. Is it necessary in Europe? If it is, I hope that people in Europe know about it. There is no way of knowing who needs what here. For instance were I live I dial: 1 415 nnn-nnnn to call a San Francisco area code. But in Santa Clara, which is in THE SAME AREA CODE as here, I have to dial 415 nnn-nnnn If someone gave their phone number as "1 415 nnn nnnn" it would be fine to dial that number here, but it would not work in Santa Clara. -- scc!steiny Don Steiny - Personetics @ (408) 425-0382 109 Torrey Pine Terr. Santa Cruz, Calif. 95060 ihnp4!pesnta -\ fortune!idsvax -> scc!steiny ucbvax!twg -/
holmes@dalcs.UUCP (Ray Holmes) (12/27/84)
> > This is a mild flame! I was just looking at the contents of the USENET > > map data files and the thought struck me - "Wouldnt it be nice if everyone > > in the US admitted the existence of the rest of the world and specified > > their phone numbers CORRECTLY, preceded with a +1, instead of the (parochial) > > area code in brackets." I dont care all that much but it would seem like > > common politeness...... > > > It is not necessary to proceded phone numbers with a 1 in > the Santa Clara dialing area, ie Silicon Valley. It is an error > to do so. People know if it is required in their area or not. > > -- > scc!steiny > Don Steiny - Personetics @ (408) 425-0382 > 109 Torrey Pine Terr. > Santa Cruz, Calif. 95060 > ihnp4!pesnta -\ > fortune!idsvax -> scc!steiny > ucbvax!twg -/ That last makes no sense at all, does it??????? Ray
ag5@pucc-k (Basket Case) (12/28/84)
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I thought the 'rok' in asia.rok stood for 'Republic of Korea'
as opposed to prk, 'People''s Republic of Korea' <i.e., North Korea>?
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-- Miss Piggyran@ho95b.UUCP (RANeinast) (12/28/84)
>>> This is a mild flame! I was just looking at the contents of the USENET >>> map data files and the thought struck me - "Wouldnt it be nice if everyone >>> in the US admitted the existence of the rest of the world and specified >>> their phone numbers CORRECTLY, preceded with a +1, instead of the >>> (parochial) area code in brackets." I dont care all that much >>> but it would seem like common politeness...... >>> >> It is not necessary to proceed phone numbers with a 1 in >> the Santa Clara dialing area, ie Silicon Valley. It is an error >> to do so. People know if it is required in their area or not. >> Don Steiny - Personetics @ (408) 425-0382 > >That last makes no sense at all, does it??????? > Ray > A short history of North American dialing and area codes: Originally, all area codes had (and right now still do) a zero or one for their middle digit; central office codes (the first three digits of a seven digit number) *never* had a zero or one in the middle. Therefore, switching equipment could always tell if someone was dialing locally or to another area code by examining the middle digit of the first three digits. [It could have just counted digits, but how long does it wait until it decides that only 7 digits are coming?] As the population expanded, it became necessary to use zero or one in central office codes, which introduced the need of the extra 1+ so that the switch recognizes the long distance nature of the call. Some area codes have not yet expanded to fill all their central office codes (no 0/1), so they do not yet need 1+ dialing. New Jersey finally converted last July 1. When all the new central office codes (with 0/1) are exhausted, then the area code is split into two, as recently happened to New York City and to Los Angeles. Actually, I think the original poster was referring to something else (I seem to remember it was posted from Holland). That is, world dialing. There also exist country codes, which are anywhere from 1 to 3 digits. The first of the digits refer to the following locations: 1 Canada, US (Accesses the North American Numbering Plan) 2 Africa (e.g., Morocco 212, Egypt 20, Nigeria 234) 3,4 Europe (e.g., Iceland 354, Austria 43, Netherlands 31) 5 South and Central America, Mexico (e.g., Mexico 52, Argentina 54) 6 South Pacific (e.g., Philippines 63, French Polynesia 689) 7 USSR (All of it) 8 North Pacific (e.g., Japan 81, Hong Kong 852) 9 Far and Middle East (Iran 98, Kuwait 965) 0 Spare (What country is this? :-)) I think the +1 referred to in the original posting was the country code. Most USers are parochial in this regard for the same reason most don't speak other languages in addition to English: they never (well, rarely) have to. European countries are so near each other, I imagine that much international dialing occurs, so most people know about it. Almost nobody in the US even knows *how* to dial internationally (except Canada, which uses the same plan). -- ". . . and shun the frumious Bandersnatch." Robert Neinast (ihnp4!ho95b!ran) AT&T-Bell Labs
phil@amdcad.UUCP (Phil Ngai) (12/31/84)
> In some areas of the US, it is necessary to have numbers > of the form 1 (nnn) nnn-nnnn. In others it is an error to do that. In some areas of the US, it is necessary to dial 408 xxx-xxxx to reach me. (Kansas, for example) In others it is an error to do that. In San Jose, California, for example, you have to leave out the 408. > There is no way of knowing who needs what here. Ok, enough sarcasm. What our overseas friends seem to mistakenly be assuming is that Americans know that their country code is 1. See, we don't have enough area codes to be unique over the world so when you deal with other countries you have to specify a country code too. Egypt has a country code of 20, Nigeria 234, South Africa 27, etc. Since we invented the scheme, we have a country code of 1. (I think for these purposes the US and Canada are considered together.) The Phone Company (or at least, Pacific Telephone/Bell) has done a good job of concealing this information so it is not surprising that many Americans don't understand this issue. I think the fact that we also use 1 xxx xxx xxxx to distinguish area codes from central offices prefixes was cleverly designed in but someone in fa.telecom could probably give a better exposition. -- AMD assumes no responsibility for anything I may say here. Phil Ngai (408) 749-5790 UUCP: {ucbvax,decwrl,ihnp4,allegra}!amdcad!phil ARPA: amdcad!phil@decwrl.ARPA
jrc@ritcv.UUCP (James R. Carbin) (01/01/85)
Phil Ngai posts: ................. >Ok, enough sarcasm. What our overseas friends seem to mistakenly >be assuming is that Americans know that their country code is 1. >See, we don't have enough area codes to be unique over the world so >when you deal with other countries you have to specify a country code too. >Egypt has a country code of 20, Nigeria 234, South Africa 27, etc. >Since we invented the scheme, we have a country code of 1. >(I think for these purposes the US and Canada are considered together.) .................... Sorry Phil, but while I am not an expert on Telephone Companies, there are some misconceptions in your posting. 1) The United States does not have a "Country Code," rather "1" is for North America (although there are anomalies within Mexico.) 2) To place a long distance call from Rochester to a location outside of North America utilizing IDDD service of AT&T, you must first dial ""011" next the "country code," next the "city code (if one exists)" followed by the "local number." whew!! :-) 011 is designated by the Telephone Company as, "The International Area Code." quote, unquote Why the need for dialing 011? Well all area codes in North America have either a zero or a one for their second digit. As some country codes are also three digits in length and some of these country codes have a zero or a one as their second digit, it then becomes necessary for us to distinguish between a North American Call ("1") or "overseas" call ("011"). What is the bottom line. There exists no common algorithm for dialing the telephone. Our (Americans) habit of not placing a "1" in front of our area code I suspect comes not from a sense of elitism, but simply due to the myriad of variations which exist in the dialing procedure. ============= digression 1 ============= Realistically how many of us place personal phone calls utilizing IDDD? Scenario: You call your friend in Leningrad 011-671-812-999999 and get a wrong number: Call the credit operator for instant credit. Now yah gotta be kidding me! ============= digression 2 ============= In the past, when I wanted to be sure that my students really understood Backus Notation, I had them define a valid telephone number using BNF. An interesting task to be sure. 3) Even within the "Country Code" of "1," there are dialing anomalies. For example, just east of Rochester, the area code changes from 716 to 315. For people living near Rochester but in the 315 area code, all of the following are legitimate for calls for them within the 315 and 716 area codes. 555-9999 LOCAL call within 315 area code 1 999-9999 LONG DISTANCE call within 315 area code 716 700-9999 LOCAL call within 716 area code 1 716 999-9999 LONG DISTANCE call within 716 area code I have friends who live in an adjacent 315 area and whenever I use their telephone, I always have to ask how to dial the number. (How's that for feeling like a schlep! :-) I don't even know how to use a telephone.) Have a Happy New Year Phil, and perhaps someone can add to this dissertation. as ever. j.r. {allegra,seismo}!rochester!ritcv!jrc
phil@amdcad.UUCP (Phil Ngai) (01/02/85)
> 1) The United States does not have a "Country Code," rather "1" is for North > America (although there are anomalies within Mexico.) Instead of saying Mexico is included in the country code of "1" with some anomalies I would say Mexico's country code is "52" with the exception of Mexico City and Northwest Mexico. And I do know that Canada is included, that's why I wrote the following in my original posting. > >(I think for these purposes the US and Canada are considered together.) > 011 is designated by the Telephone Company > as, "The International Area Code." quote, unquote That's funny, my phone book says 011 is the International ACCESS Code, not AREA code. I think of this as being like using uucp to send mail, you give your address with respect to a backbone and people figure out how to get to the backbone. For phone numbers, you should give a fully formed number, like 1 408 xxx xxxx and let your caller adjust for whether their version of the international access code is needed and whether an area code is needed. -- AMD assumes no responsibility for anything I may say here. Phil Ngai (408) 749-5790 UUCP: {ucbvax,decwrl,ihnp4,allegra}!amdcad!phil ARPA: amdcad!phil@decwrl.ARPA
jrc@ritcv.UUCP (James R. Carbin) (01/03/85)
Phil Ngai has probably come up with the best solution: > For phone numbers, you should give a fully formed number, like 1 408 xxx xxxx > and let your caller adjust for whether their version of the international > access code is needed and whether an area code is needed. p.s. I guess the "Telephone Companies" have to decide whether it is the "ACCESS" code (phil's) or "AREA" code (mine) :-) p.p.s. For me, almost all of ol' Mexico is area code 903. Oh well! :-) j.r. {allegra,seismo}!rochester!ritcv!jrc
brad@bradley.UUCP (01/03/85)
How does one call the states from overseas? 011-1-309-555-1212? -brad
msc@qubix.UUCP (01/03/85)
> Sorry Phil, but while I am not an expert on Telephone Companies, there are > some misconceptions in your posting. > > 1) +1 is for NA not USA True > > 2) IDDD access code 011 Phil didn't say anything about dialing from the US. > ============= > digression 1 > ============= > Realistically how many of us place personal phone calls utilizing IDDD? > > Scenario: You call your friend in Leningrad 011-671-812-999999 and get > a wrong number: Call the credit operator for instant credit. > Now yah gotta be kidding me! I use IDDD frequently to call my family in England. And yes, when I get a wrong number or get disconnected, I dial '0' and get instant credit. I even have the numbers set up on speed calling. Why are you (and so many others on usenet) so damn negative. The posting that started this discussion was, as a *few* others have pointed out, requesting the inclusion of the country code in the usenet map. The international standard way of giving a North American phone number, using my company's number as an example, is "+1 408 292 4000". People outside North America couldn't care less about the idiosyncracies of dialing within the US. We have enough of them to deal with in our own countries. The "+" is used to indicate a country code. IDDD hint ========= Press "#" at the end of the number for a faster connection. -- From the TARDIS of Mark Callow msc@qubix.UUCP, qubix!msc@decwrl.ARPA ...{decvax,ucbvax}!decwrl!qubix!msc, ...{amd,ihnp4,ittvax}!qubix!msc
pubs-lab@utcs.UUCP (Taras Pryjma) (01/04/85)
Enough already. This discussion is already getting out of hand. My suggestion to those who really want to know why North America has a country code of '1' is to do some research in your local well equiped technical library. For there, surely if the library is equiped well enough will sit the answer!!! In this case, the answer probably sits in a volume published by the International Telecommunications Union (ITU), in a book called White Book No. 6. If it is not there, then it is definitely sitting in another book, that is part of series published in the UK by the IEE, (As far as I know this is a seperate organization from the IEEE.) on telecommunications. It is a fantastic series, for it explains everything that your heart desires on telecomunications and the various standards that you might require. It also goes on to explain how the world is divided for IDDD. Although I have not seen this book for over 2 years, I do remember enough to know that the world, for the sake of the telephone is divided into 10 sections, 0-9. These sections were, with the help of local telephone directory, are as follows: 1 - North America 2 - Africa 3 - Southern Europe 4 - Northern Europe and the British Isles 5 - South and Central America 6 - Australia and the South Pacific 7 - USSR and its satellites (but this is only guessing) 8 - Japan, Korea and area, also interational marine traffic. 9 - The Middle East Each of thease area is then subdivided, by their respective governments as they see fit. It is only if you have to go outside of your internation region that you worry about country codes. In North America this is rare, but in other parts of the world an every day occurance. I wish people would post answers to questions they know the answers to on this net, it might get rid of some of the junk. Taras Pryjma.
marcus@pyuxt.UUCP (M. G. Hand) (01/04/85)
> perhaps someone can add to this dissertation.
Well, alright then, I will.
I think that the 1 preceding the area code is now necessary throughout
the US, and gives access to AT&T long distance service (as opposed
to say another OCC), or will do in the future. I don't think it has
anything to do with the country code.
Furthermore, whats so strange about making the area code optional when
the exchanges concerned are close to an area code boundary? Anomaly
or common sense? (Note that the call would be local anyway, viz 212-718
area codes.)
When we phone other countries we don't actually dial the foreign city
code *au naturelle" but lop off any possible preceding code. For example,
to phone Birmingham University in the UK one would dial [021] 472 1301
depending on whether you were phoning from inside or outside the Birmingham
area. From here, you would dial 011 44 21 472 1301 - in other words,
you would drop the 021 to 21.
I use international dialling to several places in europe every now and then
from different parts of the country and the only problems i've encountered
are in what I have to do to make it a credit card call - not all phone
companies are as advanced as each other.
Seems quite simple to me... Now if we were to get onto how the phone
companies name their circuit segments internally then we would have
real fun trying to guess what systematic form they used...
Love,
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Marcus Hand {ihnp4!}pyuxt!marcusedtking@uw-june (Ewan David Tempero) (01/05/85)
In New Zealand you dial <country-code><area-code><local-number> so it would be 01-309-555-1212 ( 01 being our version of US code ). None of this mucking about with redundant numbers..... Ewan Tempero "Oh no, not again" ...!uw-beaver!uw-june!edtking edtking@washington
lauren@vortex.UUCP (Lauren Weinstein) (01/06/85)
OK, here's the answer. The +1 referred to by the original European message is simply a CONVENTION for indicating the country code of interest, it isn't necessarily the actual dialing sequence for calling your number from other countries, just a way of indicating what your country code is in case someone else needs it someday. Using this convention, a U.S. business card might read: +1 (311) 555-2368 The +1 isn't the 1 you dial for DDD calls, but rather just the indicator of your country code for other people who might need that information. They almost certainly would NOT simply dial that number sequence to get to you--they'd typically have their own (varying) lead-in codes to deal with as well. The problem with including the +1 on numbers routinely given out in the U.S. is that the U.S. callers, by and large, are much more unfamiliar with international dialing than European callers who use it quite a bit more routinely (natural given the relatively small sizes of the countries involved in many cases). In the U.S., adding the +1 would tend to confuse most people who never have, and never will, make an international call, since some people WOULD tend to confuse it with the "dial 1 first" code needed for DDD access in most cities here. By the way, just as an experiment, I tried to see if my local Pacific Bell operator knew what the country code for the U.S. was. They couldn't even understand what I was talking about. They said, "Call your business office, it might be different for each country trying to call you..." I then tried the same thing on one of my General Telephone lines. This operator also made the same claim, but after calling two supervisors, NYC, and two inward operators in Great Britain, finally got somebody to say that the country code was "probably" 1. So as you can see, it's pretty confused. --Lauren--
ekrell@ucla-cs.UUCP (01/06/85)
In article <600003@bradley.UUCP> brad@bradley.UUCP writes: >How does one call the states from overseas? 011-1-309-555-1212? It depends on where are you calling from. Every country has its own sequence of digits to intiate an overseas call. Where I come from, you have to dial "00" (this is equivalent to the 011 in the US), then wait for dial tone, then dial 1-309-555-1212. In other countries the sequence is different. In some countries the only way to call overseas is via the operator (no direct call) and you have to wait sometimes an hour or so until the call is made... -- Eduardo Krell UCLA Computer Science Department ekrell@ucla-locus.arpa ..!{sdcrdcf,ihnp4,trwspp,ucbvax}!ucla-cs!ekrell
henry@utzoo.UUCP (Henry Spencer) (01/06/85)
> ... The international standard way of giving a North American > phone number, using my company's number as an example, is "+1 408 292 > 4000". The original posting (way back when...) asked us if would please quote phone numbers in the international-standard form rather than in the parochial North American "(408)292-4000" form. Unfortunately, the reason (apart from ignorance and unconcern) why we use the parochial form is simple: most of our audience is in North America, and those people are familiar with the North American form and quite unfamiliar with the international standard. The laudable goal of adhering to standards is incompatible with the equally-laudable goal of presenting information in the most understandable form. Faced with such a choice of evils, most of us opt for the familiar one. -- Henry Spencer @ U of Toronto Zoology {allegra,ihnp4,linus,decvax}!utzoo!henry
jack@vu44.UUCP (Jack Jansen) (01/06/85)
> .... the world, for the sake of the telephone is divided into 10 > sections, 0-9. These sections were, with the help of local telephone > directory, are as follows: > > 1 - North America > 2 - Africa > 3 - Southern Europe > 4 - Northern Europe and the British Isles > ... Ah, this explains why Holland has country-code 31. (FYI: While I'm writing this, there is about 10cm of snow outside my window, and the temperature is 10 degrees below zero. And then we're in *Southern* Europe :-) > I wish people would post answers to questions they know the answers to on > this net, it might get rid of some of the junk. > > Taras Pryjma. Right :-). -- Jack Jansen, {seismo|philabs|decvax}!mcvax!vu44!jack or ...!vu44!htsa!jack If *this* is my opinion, I wasn't sober at the time.
honey@down.FUN (code 101) (01/06/85)
henry says: The laudable goal of adhering to standards is incompatible with the equally-laudable goal of presenting information in the most understandable form. Faced with such a choice of evils, most of us opt for the familiar one. if i didn't know better, i'd swear he was talking about rfc 819/822. peter
henry@utzoo.UUCP (Henry Spencer) (01/08/85)
> The laudable goal of adhering to standards is incompatible with > the equally-laudable goal of presenting information in the most > understandable form. Faced with such a choice of evils, most > of us opt for the familiar one. > > if i didn't know better, i'd swear he was talking about rfc 819/822. Actually, I should have made it clear that my original comment was intended to apply only to the situation at hand, not as a general maxim. On the other hand, it does have a nice ring to it... -- Henry Spencer @ U of Toronto Zoology {allegra,ihnp4,linus,decvax}!utzoo!henry
piet@mcvax.UUCP (Piet Beertema) (01/08/85)
> In some areas of the US, it is necessary to have numbers >of the form 1 (nnn) nnn-nnnn. In others it is an error to do that. >If someone gave their phone number as "1 415 nnn nnnn" it would be fine >to dial that number here, but it would not work in Santa Clara. Something similar is the case in European countries. If you call Amsterdam from within Holland, you dial 020 nnnnn; but if you dial Amsterdam from outside Holland, you dial 20 nnnnn. That's why in the maps the phone numbers are (should be) given in international format, i.e.: - +country code - area code WITHOUT "prefix" - subscriber number Thus a full number could be "+31 20 5929333". -- Piet Beertema, CWI, Amsterdam ...{decvax,philabs}!mcvax!piet
robert@cheviot.UUCP (Robert Stroud) (01/08/85)
<This line is a figment of your imagination> Lindsay suggests that you think of +44 as being a pathname relative to a world root. I like to think of the "+" as being whatever magic sequence you dial to get onto the international telephone network in the particular country you're dialling from, (just as you dial some magic sequence to get long distance). Once you are onto this network, what you dial (including the 44 which happens to be the country code for the UK) should be the same WHEREVER you are. This of course is the whole point of the convention. In the UK "+" is 010, in the US it is 011. In France it is 19 (I think). Again, in the UK the long distance sequence is 0, in the States it is 1 and in France it is 18 (this one I'm not sure about but you should get the idea). I have used this method to dial between various countries round Europe from phone boxes whose instructions were in a language I couldn't understand on several occasions. I have dialled the States in this way as well, but when I was in California recently and tried to dial England, I was rather surprised to discover I had to go through the operator, (and I always thought you guys had the best telephone system in the world :-)! Robert Stroud Computing Laboratory, University of Newcastle upon Tyne
bob@basser.oz (Bob Kummerfeld) (01/09/85)
Summary: Expires: References: <316@utcs.UUCP> <495@vortex.UUCP> Sender: Reply-To: decvax!mulga!bob@basser Followup-To: Distribution: Organization: Basser Dept of Computer Science, University of Sydney Keywords: Australian capital city phone books have extensive information on International Subscriber Dialing. There are several pages of country codes and selected within country area codes, as well as instructions for dialing such numbers. There is also a description of the format for numbers on business cards etc. The suggested business card format is +61 area-code local-number where Australia's country code is 61. My number would be +61 2 692 3423 To dial an intermational number I enter: 0011 country-code area-code local-number The 0011 part is called the International Access Code. So, to dial a number in Akron (OH) my phone book says I should dial: 0011 1 216 xxxyyyy where xxxyyyy is the local number. Bob. ...!decvax!mulga!bob@basser
auugn@elecvax.OZ (Australian Unix Users Group Newsletter) (01/13/85)
Lauren said....
By the way, just as an experiment, I tried to see if my local
Pacific Bell operator knew what the country code for the U.S.
was. They couldn't even understand what I was talking about.
I had to try this same experiment here. I dialled "International Directory
Assistance" (sorry we dont just have plain "operators", we have all sorts of
them, listed in the "Instant Call Guide" in the phone book) and asked
What is Australia's country code?
61 Sir, and there is more information on page 10 of your phone book....
Next I tried the same question on "Difficulties and Faults, ISD calls",
61 Sir, but you dont need to use it for calls with the country....
I wonder what "Wake up and Reminder Calls" would say?
I guess people in Australia know how to dial overseas because we are such
a small country populated by a lot of European immigrants........
peteri
Peter Ivanov, Editor of the Australian UNIX systems User Group Newsletter.
School of EE and CS Telephone:
University of NSW +61 2 697 4042
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AUSTRALIA UUCP: {decvax, vax135}!mulga!peteri:elecvaxchrister@ttds.UUCP (Christer Johansson) (01/22/85)
In article <205@cheviot.UUCP> robert@cheviot.UUCP (Robert Stroud) writes: >I like to think of the "+" as being whatever magic sequence >you dial to get onto the international telephone network in the particular >country you're dialling from Once you are onto this network, what you dial >should be >the same WHEREVER you are. It's almost the same. You might have to drop the first digit of the areacode. Some countries always have same first digit of the areacode (0, 8 or 9). This should be omitted if calling from another country. (This shouldn't cause a trouble, as people know the first digit of their own country).