bill@polygen.uucp (Bill Poitras) (09/15/90)
I am porting an X application from X11R3 to X11R4. One of the problems I am encountering is getting the top-level window to place itself without the help of TWM. I have looked in the ICCCM document, as well as the Xlib documentation. It seems that the XCreateWindow call should be sufficient to place the window. I use XSetWMHints and XSetNormalHints to set some other hints. Any help would greatly be appreciated. +-----------------+---------------------------+-----------------------------+ | Bill Poitras | Polygen Corporation | {princeton mit-eddie | | (bill) | Waltham, MA USA | bu sunne}!polygen!bill | | | | bill@polygen.com | +-----------------+---------------------------+-----------------------------+
mouse@LARRY.MCRCIM.MCGILL.EDU (09/18/90)
> I am porting an X application from X11R3 to X11R4. One of the > problems I am encountering is getting the top-level window to place > itself without the help of TWM. This is entirely up to TWM. If TWM decides that the user shall always place new windows, your client really isn't in much position to argue about it. Some window managers can be told when to make the user place the window; I don't know whether this is true of TWM or not. In other words, you're trying to do this the wrong place. It's not something your client has control over; this is a window manager issue and has to be dealt with as such. der Mouse old: mcgill-vision!mouse new: mouse@larry.mcrcim.mcgill.edu
geg@beep.melb.semi.harris.com (Greg Garland) (09/18/90)
>>> I am porting an X application from X11R3 to X11R4. One of the >>> problems I am encountering is getting the top-level window to place >>> itself without the help of TWM. >This is entirely up to TWM. If TWM decides that the user shall always >place new windows, your client really isn't in much position to argue >about it. Some window managers can be told when to make the user place >the window; I don't know whether this is true of TWM or not. Hm... What about setting override_redirect to TRUE in the window attributes? Doesn't this tell the window manager to bug off? Greg G.
toml@ninja.Solbourne.COM (Tom LaStrange) (09/18/90)
|> > I am porting an X application from X11R3 to X11R4. One of the |> > problems I am encountering is getting the top-level window to place |> > itself without the help of TWM. |> |> This is entirely up to TWM. If TWM decides that the user shall always |> place new windows, your client really isn't in much position to argue |> about it. Some window managers can be told when to make the user place |> the window; I don't know whether this is true of TWM or not. |> |> In other words, you're trying to do this the wrong place. It's not |> something your client has control over; this is a window manager issue |> and has to be dealt with as such. twm will honor USPosition hints if they are set and will optionally honor PPosition hints. These flags are in the WM_NORMAL_HINTS property of the XSizeHints structure. USPosition should ONLY be set if the user requested the position. PPosition should be used to request a default window position from within the program. -- Tom LaStrange Solbourne Computer Inc. ARPA: toml@Solbourne.COM 1900 Pike Rd. UUCP: ...!{boulder,sun}!stan!toml Longmont, CO 80501
toml@ninja.Solbourne.COM (Tom LaStrange) (09/19/90)
|> >>> I am porting an X application from X11R3 to X11R4. One of the |> >>> problems I am encountering is getting the top-level window to place |> >>> itself without the help of TWM. |> |> >This is entirely up to TWM. If TWM decides that the user shall always |> >place new windows, your client really isn't in much position to argue |> >about it. Some window managers can be told when to make the user place |> >the window; I don't know whether this is true of TWM or not. |> |> Hm... What about setting override_redirect to TRUE in the window attributes? |> Doesn't this tell the window manager to bug off? Yes, but it tells it to bug off so well that you won't be able to move, resize, iconify, raise, lower, ... the thing. -- Tom LaStrange Solbourne Computer Inc. ARPA: toml@Solbourne.COM 1900 Pike Rd. UUCP: ...!{boulder,sun}!stan!toml Longmont, CO 80501
dshr@eng.sun.COM (David Rosenthal) (09/19/90)
> Hm... What about setting override_redirect to TRUE in the window attributes? > Doesn't this tell the window manager to bug off? > Yes, but you should not use it except under some very special circumstances: - when other windows should be prevented from processing input while the override-redirect window is mapped (see ICCCM section 4.1.10), or - while responding to ResizeRequest events (see ICCCM section 4.2.9). Use of override-redirect under other circumstances is "strongly discouraged" (see ICCCM section 4.2.2). David.
garyo@think.com (Gary Oberbrunner) (09/19/90)
In article <9009182036.AA12502@devnull.Eng.Sun.COM> dshr@eng.sun.COM (David Rosenthal) writes: > Hm... What about setting override_redirect to TRUE in the window attributes? > Doesn't this tell the window manager to bug off? > Yes, but you should not use it except under some very special circumstances: <special circumstances edited...> Use of override-redirect under other circumstances is "strongly discouraged" (see ICCCM section 4.2.2). David. In my application I map a full-screen input-only window that I use to turn the X mouse into a virtual trackball. I certainly don't want the user to have to "position" this invisible window. So override-redirect is useful in other cases as well as the two reported above. - Gary Oberbrunner Thinking Machines Corporation 245 First St Cambridge, MA 02142 garyo@think.com