[net.music] Coming soon - Adult Record Stores

hofmann@AMSAA.ARPA (09/12/85)

From: Jim Hofmann <hofmann@AMSAA.ARPA>
Tanks to Mr Ken Black for his civilized retort to my flameage on
the proposed PMRC's censoring of records.  Yes, Mr Black, it *is*
voluntary (FOR NOW!) and I am aware there are a lot of parents who
would like others to help them put blinders on their precious children
but I think there are two points to be made here.  First of all, it
is accepted child psychology that if you tell a kid he or she can't
do something because it is dirty/bad_for_you/etc., you can bet 
the first thing they'll do when your back is turned is to check it out.
These stickers are going to draw more attention to what is deemed
offensive (at least what is deemed offensive by the rightists/fundamentalist
bozo's wives).  Secondly, why do parents give their kids all this money
to go out and buy records in the first place unless they are going to
sit down and listen to them also.  I rarely see kids below 16 in record
stores mainly because they don't have the money to buy records.  I sure
wish Mrs. Grundy would think twice before giving her rich brats dough
to go out and buy Prince albums.  This is what is wrong with this 
fundalmentalists leaders thinking ... they are SO narrow minded and think
that their experiences in life are exactly like everyone else
experiences.  Oh well, I guess this is all futile anyway since they all claim
to having a mandate from the people to trample all over them.  I guess
1984 turned out like Orwell predicted afterall - only differently.

Oh by the way, Mr Black, I agree with your contention that rock stars 
are sick puppies.  On the whole I detest rock stardom and all the pretentious
bull***t that comes with it.  If you really want to meet some sick puppies
though check out the DEAD KENNEDIES or REAGAN YOUTH - I just wish I could
see the fundys' dentures drop when they listen to those boys.

SHEESH!

rlr@pyuxd.UUCP (Rich Rosen) (09/14/85)

The ironic thing is that right now, for the first time in at least 10 (maybe
15) years, rock has had to fight for something.  Rock has been the de facto
status quo in the entertainment industry since the mid1970's.  Rather
than being the anti-establishment rebels they pretend to be, they have
BEEN the establishment.  Selling the notion that rock represents rebellion
(especially in the area of heavy metal---which is one of the biggest jokes
of the modern era) in an age where rock is nothing but big business and
marketing is one of the finest examples of mass manipulation since Adolf
Hitler.  People like Ray Frank (read net.abortion for an interesting musical
discussion with him) talk big about the evils of rock, but chances are their
kids are sheepish HM fans precisely because of their attitude towards the
music.  Rock as rebellion?  Give me a break!  Heavy metal as defiance of
the norms?  Hell, it IS the norm.  (Maybe you've been watching too many
Twisted Sister videos, i.e., more than none.) Have you been to a high school
or college recently?  New wave?  Punk?  That sure got co-opted fast, didn't
it?  They've learned to work quickly in the big offices out in (you can't
spelled "laid back" without) L.A., despite being coked out to excess.

The question is, if this "parents against children" movement really takes
hold, will "rock" stand and fight, or give in?  I not too boldly predict
that if record ratings begin to make a difference, if kids are somehow
prevented from buying "X-rated" (??) records, the "industry" will begin
to deal with its main concern in the making of music (profit), and will
bring their acts "in line".  Who will be the ones who stand up?  Certainly
not the metal acts.
-- 
"Wait a minute.  '*WE*' decided???   *MY* best interests????"
					Rich Rosen    ihnp4!pyuxd!rlr

woods@hao.UUCP (Greg Woods) (09/17/85)

> I think there are two points to be made here.  First of all, it
> is accepted child psychology that if you tell a kid he or she can't
> do something because it is dirty/bad_for_you/etc., you can bet 
> the first thing they'll do when your back is turned is to check it out.
> These stickers are going to draw more attention to what is deemed
> offensive (at least what is deemed offensive by the rightists/fundamentalist
> bozo's wives).

  There was a recent Nightline segment on this very issue, and of all people,
DONNIE OSMOND (Mr. "G"-rating himself) was on the program to OPPOSE the
rating system. He gave two reasons of which this was one. The other was
that he compared this to what happened to movies after the rating system
was in place: a G-rating is a kiss of death. No kid (major source of record-
buying public, even if it is the parents that provide the bucks) in his right
mind is going to buy a (gag!) G-rated album. How many G-rated movies do you
see? As a result, he claimed that HE would be FORCED to include lyrics that
would "up" his rating in order to sell albums. Wow. The thought of Donnie
Osmond singing sexy lyrics. Oh, my God! What would the PMRC think then?

> Secondly, why do parents give their kids all this money
> to go out and buy records in the first place unless they are going to
> sit down and listen to them also.

  I can answer that one. To get the brats out of their hair for a while.
As a reward for good behavior. I can think of lots of reasons. MANY parents
give their kids money for records and never hear them. Hell, half the time
they don't even know how the kids spend the money at all.

> This is what is wrong with this 
> fundalmentalists leaders thinking ... they are SO narrow minded and think
> that their experiences in life are exactly like everyone else experiences.
  
  Or, that that is how everyone else's experiences SHOULD be. After all, they
are SO much better than the rest of us heathens, aren't they? :-)

--Greg