bin@rhesus.primate.wisc.edu (Brain in Neutral) (11/09/88)
What hosts around the country run webster servers besides NIC? Do they all use port 103? Paul DuBois dubois@primate.wisc.edu rhesus!dubois bin@primate.wisc.edu rhesus!bin
kochhar@endor.harvard.edu (Sandeep Kochhar) (09/02/89)
hi! does anyone have sun3 and/or sun4 binaries for xwebster that I could ftp over... I compiled the one I got from contrib on expo, but it just hangs after connecting to the webster server.... thx. Sandeep Kochhar (617) 495-9515 mail: kochhar@harvard.harvard.edu Harvard University kochhar@harvard.csnet 33 Oxford st, kochhar@harvard.uucp Cambridge, Ma 02138 kochhar@harvard.bitnet "If you didn't get this message, please let me know."
envbvs@epb2.lbl.gov (Brian V. Smith) (09/02/89)
In article <2550@husc6.harvard.edu>, kochhar@endor.harvard.edu (Sandeep Kochhar) writes: < hi! < does anyone have sun3 and/or sun4 binaries for xwebster that I could < ftp over... I compiled the one I got from contrib on expo, but it just < hangs after connecting to the webster server.... < thx. < < Where did you find a Webster *server*? That is the problem most people are having. It seems that sites that used to serve Webster are no longer offering that service (SRI-NIC, for example). _____________________________________ Brian V. Smith (bvsmith@lbl.gov) Lawrence Berkeley Laboratory I don't speak for LBL, these non-opinions are all mine.
martin@citi.umich.edu (Martin Friedmann) (09/02/89)
In article <2550@husc6.harvard.edu> kochhar@endor.harvard.edu (Sandeep Kochhar) writes: hi! does anyone have sun3 and/or sun4 binaries for xwebster that I could ftp over... I compiled the one I got from contrib on expo, but it just hangs after connecting to the webster server.... thx. I write back... There are several problems with the xwebster code that I have found. o You NEED to link with a patched Xt (1-10) (Get the Convert.c right) o A wierd bug that appears on ibm/rt's (ctrl-d and ctrl-i) TextEdit Widget problems, akin to those found BEFORE the patches to that Widget. o A new found BUG in the HP TitleBar widget... apply this! (This is not in Xhp.R3.tar.Z on expo) *** TitleBar.c~ Sat May 6 00:09:18 1989 --- TitleBar.c Thu Jul 27 16:10:22 1989 *************** *** 2041,2047 **** new->titlebar.string = s; } SetSTextArgs(new,args); ! XtSetValues(new->titlebar.text,args,24); flag |= TRUE; } --- 2041,2047 ---- new->titlebar.string = s; } SetSTextArgs(new,args); ! XtSetValues(new->titlebar.text,args,23); flag |= TRUE; } , -- Marty.
stolcke@icsi.Berkeley.EDU (Andreas Stolcke) (09/02/89)
I once posted a request on our local (i.e. Berkeley) newsgroup to come up agate.Berkeley.EDU (128.32.136.1) at port 103 iuvax.cs.indiana.edu (129.79.254.19) at port 2627 bu-it.bu.edu (128.197.2.40) at port 2627 The last one apparently has an access restriction, but folks at bu should be able to use it. I have no idea if the Berkeley server is restricted. Anyway, it's probably not a good idea to use a server on the east coast when you happen to be located in California, even it's not restricted. Otherwise chances are that they soon will be restricted (that's what happened to SRI-NIC, I was told). You should rather try to locate a nearby server the way I did. Now, if you happen to have a NeXT machine somewhere on your network and keep wondering what it could be good for, here's the answer: forget all of the above and get Steve Hayman's (sahayman@iuvax.cs.indiana.edu) implementation of a Webster server daemon which taps the NeXT's on-line dictionary. ---- Andreas Stolcke International Computer Science Institute stolcke@icsi.Berkeley.EDU 1957 Center St., Suite 600, Berkeley, CA 94704 (415) 642-4274 ext. 126
sivagnan@whale.LANCE.ColoState.Edu (S. Vasanthan) (09/03/89)
I have Xwebster running on VaxStation 2000 (Ultrix)
The servers I use are here (frpm .Xdefaults)
*hostAddrList: 128.100.1.65 \
26.0.0.73 \
10.0.0.51 \
26.0.0.73 \
10.0.0.51 \
26.0.0.73 \
10.0.0.51 \
26.0.0.73 \
10.0.0.51 \
26.0.0.73 \
10.0.0.51
S. Vasanthan (sivagnan@handel.cs.colostate.edu)
Department of Computer Science
Colorado State University
Fort Collins, CO 80523, USA.envbvs@epb2.lbl.gov (Brian V. Smith) (09/03/89)
In article <2503@ccncsu.ColoState.EDU> sivagnan@whale.LANCE.ColoState.Edu (S. Vasanthan) writes:
<
< I have Xwebster running on VaxStation 2000 (Ultrix)
< The servers I use are here (frpm .Xdefaults)
<
< *hostAddrList: 128.100.1.65 \
< 26.0.0.73 \
< 10.0.0.51 \
[ last two duplicated several times ]
<
Well, I don't know what "in" you have with sri-nic ("The NIC"),
but the last time I tried using those last two servers (both are
sri-nic.arpa) they refused a webster connection.
The first one must work or you wouldn't have written the article,
but I'm not at my workstation right now to try it.
Thanks for the info.
_____________________________________
Brian V. Smith (bvsmith@lbl.gov)
Lawrence Berkeley Laboratory
I don't speak for LBL, these non-opinions are all mine.michaud@decwrl.dec.com (Jeff Michaud) (09/07/89)
In article <16776@pasteur.Berkeley.EDU>, stolcke@icsi.Berkeley.EDU (Andreas Stolcke) writes: > ... forget all of the above and get Steve Hayman's > (sahayman@iuvax.cs.indiana.edu) implementation of a Webster server > daemon which taps the NeXT's on-line dictionary. Is NeXT's on-line dictionary public domain? Out of curiosity, how large (in bytes) is NeXT's on-line dictionary? Is the dictionary used by today's webster servers public domain? How large does is this one in bytes? /--------------------------------------------------------------\ |Jeff Michaud michaud@decwrl.dec.com michaud@decvax.dec.com| |DECnet-ULTRIX #include <standard/disclaimer.h> | \--------------------------------------------------------------/
steve@UMIACS.UMD.EDU (09/07/89)
The dictionary used by the webster servers in various places, and the dictionary on NeXT machines, is owned by Merriam-Webster. It is not public domain. Those with NeXT machines have Webster's Dictionary through an agreement between NeXT and Merriam-Webster; to the best of my knowledge, the dictionary on a NeXT machine is available *only* to those actually logged into the NeXT machine. Those with Webster's Dictionary through other avenues (SRI and Boston University come to mind) have the dictionary through other agreements or as a historical accident. Again, to the best of my knowledge, M-W does not want such sites to offer webster service to those not associated with those institutions. Thus, the BU server may be available to those at BU, but it's not supposed to be available (if I understand the situation) to those outside BU. We used to use the BU server, in fact, until the situation became clear. This is my understanding of the legal situation. Your mileage may vary. If you ignore this (or pay attention to this) and it's wrong and you're somehow hosed over because of it, that's your responsibility, not mine. -Steve Spoken: Steve Miller Domain: steve@umiacs.umd.edu UUCP: uunet!mimsy!steve Phone: +1-301-454-1808 USPS: UMIACS, Univ. of Maryland, College Park, MD 20742
stolcke@icsib6.Berkeley.EDU (Andreas Stolcke) (09/08/89)
=== > Those with NeXT machines have Webster's Dictionary through an > agreement between NeXT and Merriam-Webster; to the best of my knowledge, > the dictionary on a NeXT machine is available *only* to those actually > > > logged > into the NeXT machine. > O.K., so you better be 'logged into' the NeXT. Presumably rlogin will do, since I can't imagine NeXT would object to people using their machine in a standard UNIX networking environment. Now, what's the difference between someone reading the dictionary during an rlogin session (i.e. while talking to the rlogin daemon) and someone doing the same via some more suitable software, namely xwebster and the webster server daemon? I can't find any significant difference. In other words, if your company (or university or whatever) has purchased a NeXT and is licensed to have it used by a certain group of staff (students, etc.) then those same people should be allowed to use the NeXT's Webster, no matter what software is used in the process. Anything else would render the NeXT a single-user PC, which, again, seems something I don't think NeXT would agree to. --Andreas ---- Andreas Stolcke International Computer Science Institute stolcke@icsi.Berkeley.EDU 1957 Center St., Suite 600, Berkeley, CA 94704 (415) 642-4274 ext. 126
bzs@bu-cs.BU.EDU (Barry Shein) (09/08/89)
The story, which may be apocryphal, was that the way Webster's 7th got on-line was that a bunch of people (possibly at MIT) split up the pages and just began typing (the dictionary definitely began life on PDP-10's.) Maybe someone could figure out a way to legally designate a dictionary (I dunno, call a publisher and offer to return the typed in version) and everyone on the net can type in a few pages and collate. Or maybe someone even has a good enough scanner tho that's non-trivial work also, at best like trying to xerox the entire thing and more likely requiring error-checking on each page (and all focused on one site.) It could be an interesting experiment and might even be worth continuing with other generally useful, free documents (I realize that dictionaries etc are not free for this use, that's why someone has to figure out what dictionary etc could be used legally.) Something about a thousand monkeys and a thousand years comes to mind...perhaps it can be called the KiloMonkey Project? -- -Barry Shein Software Tool & Die, Purveyors to the Trade 1330 Beacon Street, Brookline, MA 02146, (617) 739-0202 Internet: bzs@skuld.std.com UUCP: encore!xylogics!skuld!bzs or uunet!skuld!bzs
brooks@vette.llnl.gov (Eugene Brooks) (09/09/89)
In article <37759@bu-cs.BU.EDU> bzs@bu-cs.BU.EDU (Barry Shein) writes: >Maybe someone could figure out a way to legally designate a dictionary >(I dunno, call a publisher and offer to return the typed in version) This is not that hard, to quote Webster's without permission: copyright n. the exclusive right, usually held by an author, artist or publisher, to reproduce, publish or sell for a NUMBER OF YEARS, a book or work of art. Unlike computer software which becomes worthless long before the NUMBER OF YEARS is up, the definition of a word is relatively timeless. Simply pick a suitably old dictionary for the project and mail out zeroxes of the pages to volunteers to type in after you have designed a suitable format for the online copy. Missing modern words can then be looked for by collating against a not freeware dictionary and folded in by writing their entries by hand. It sounds like a good project. Anyone care to take it on, I will certainly type in my share of pages. brooks@maddog.llnl.gov, brooks@maddog.uucp
bzs@bu-cs.BU.EDU (Barry Shein) (09/09/89)
From: stolcke@icsib6.Berkeley.EDU (Andreas Stolcke) >O.K., so you better be 'logged into' the NeXT. Presumably rlogin will do, >since I can't imagine NeXT would object to people using their machine >in a standard UNIX networking environment. Now, what's the difference >between someone reading the dictionary during an rlogin session >(i.e. while talking to the rlogin daemon) and someone doing the same >via some more suitable software, namely xwebster and the webster server >daemon? I can't find any significant difference. I think you're right, that's more like buying a dictionary and putting it out in the library for everyone's use. I think the word *copy* is key here tho copyrights these days usually reserve transmission rights by any means electronic or otherwise etc etc. Let's see what webster says: 1. copy.right \-.ri-t\ n : the exclusive legal right to reproduce, publish, and sell the matter and form of a literary, musical, or artistic work - copyright aj Not much help, wonder if I violated their copyright. Generally such things are copyrighted as a collection, not as individual items. I don't think anyone believes I have violated a Miriam-Webster copyright by quoting a definition out of their dictionary, even without proper attribution (don't confuse what your teachers demanded as good scholarship with copyright laws, though in many cases attribution is required.) Significant chunks are of course a possible violation of their copyright, particularly if presented as a dictionary. Dictionaries and other collections use "ringers" to catch that (purposeful errors you are unlikely to have made accidently.) Anyhow, this is quite far afield of X per se tho the boundaries between graphical interfaces and multi-media on-line systems is of some interest. -- -Barry Shein Software Tool & Die, Purveyors to the Trade 1330 Beacon Street, Brookline, MA 02146, (617) 739-0202 Internet: bzs@skuld.std.com UUCP: encore!xylogics!skuld!bzs or uunet!skuld!bzs
bzs@bu-cs.BU.EDU (Barry Shein) (09/09/89)
>Unlike computer software which becomes worthless long before the >NUMBER OF YEARS is up, the definition of a word is relatively timeless. >Simply pick a suitably old dictionary for the project and mail out >zeroxes of the pages to volunteers to type in after you have designed >a suitable format for the online copy. I have an 1865 version of Webster's first or second, I suppose that would be safe :-) Seriously, if anyone wants to discuss forming The KiloMonkeys Project feel free to mail me at bzs@skuld.std.com (or here, either way.) We can take this off-line and then announce proposals where appropriate and seek volunteers. Just pinning down target materials could keep a discussion going for a while. The KiloMonkeys Project Strong Typing for Weak Minds -- -Barry Shein Software Tool & Die, Purveyors to the Trade 1330 Beacon Street, Brookline, MA 02146, (617) 739-0202 Internet: bzs@skuld.std.com UUCP: encore!xylogics!skuld!bzs or uunet!skuld!bzs
mujica@ra.cs.ucla.edu (S. Mujica) (09/09/89)
on 8 Sep 89 14:32:03 GMT, bzs@bu-cs.BU.EDU (Barry Shein) said: > Path: ucla-cs!usc!bloom-beacon!bu-cs!bzs > References: <4537@shlump.nac.dec.com> <8909071325.AA25395@fnord.umiacs.UMD.EDU> > Lines: 27 > In-reply-to: steve@UMIACS.UMD.EDU's message of 7 Sep 89 13:25:45 GMT > The story, which may be apocryphal, was that the way Webster's 7th got > on-line was that a bunch of people (possibly at MIT) split up the > pages and just began typing (the dictionary definitely began life on > PDP-10's.) The story that I have heard (which seems to be true...) is that the on line webster is a copy of Webster's 7th Collegiate Dictionary (Copyright (C) 1963 by Merriam-Webster, Inc.) that was created at System Development Corporation under a government contract in the early 70s. Sergio Mujica mujica@cs.ucla.edu Computer Science Department, UCLA
michaud@decvax.dec.com (Jeff Michaud) (09/12/89)
In article <MUJICA.89Sep8193324@ra.cs.ucla.edu>, mujica@ra.cs.ucla.edu (S. Mujica) writes: > The story that I have heard (which seems to be true...) is that the on > line webster is a copy of Webster's 7th Collegiate Dictionary > (Copyright (C) 1963 by Merriam-Webster, Inc.) that was created at > System Development Corporation under a government contract in the > early 70s. Hmm, under government contract you say? Would that imply that maby it really is public domain since it was our tax dollars that paid for it? /--------------------------------------------------------------\ |Jeff Michaud michaud@decwrl.dec.com michaud@decvax.dec.com| |DECnet-ULTRIX #include <standard/disclaimer.h> | \--------------------------------------------------------------/
bmc@MYCROFT.MAYO.EDU (10/02/89)
1) I would like to thank all of you for your help. I finally got the HP widgets
installed.
2) Now, back to Xwebster...
a) system: DECstation 3100, ultrix 3100, DECwindows 2.1
b) HP widgets (R3) installed and tested. They work fine.
c) Xwebster, compiles fine but segment faults when initally started.
seems to choke on XrmStringsToQuark.
error:
281: /usr/bin/xwebster
X Toolkit Warning: Widget class VPanedWindow version mismatch:
widget 7001 vs. intrinsics 11003.
X Toolkit Warning: Widget class Manager version mismatch:
widget 7001 vs. intrinsics 11003.
X Toolkit Warning: Widget class TitleBar version mismatch:
widget 7001 vs. intrinsics 11003.
X Toolkit Warning: Widget class StaticText version mismatch:
widget 7001 vs. intrinsics 11003.
X Toolkit Warning: Widget class Primitive version mismatch:
widget 7001 vs. intrinsics 11003.
X Toolkit Warning: Widget class Sash version mismatch:
widget 7001 vs. intrinsics 11003.
Segmentation fault
Traced with dbx yeilds:
> 0 XrmStringToQuark(0x100476e0, 0x0, 0x0, 0x7fffe996, 0x30) ["Quarks.c":303, 0
x4508e4]
1 Resources.SetValues(0x6e69202e, 0x6e697274, 0x73636973, 0x18, 0x2e3330) ["R
esources.c":874, 0x432930]
2 XtSetValues(0x7fffe44c, 0x18, 0x44a6c4, 0x0, 0x10046518) ["Resources.c":976
, 0x432d0c]
3 TitleBar.SetValues(0x7fffe6a0, 0x10046518, 0x10046518, 0x1001d050, 0x2) ["T
itleBar.c":2044, 0x40cd9c]
4 CallSetValues(0x7fffe894, 0x7fffe6a0, 0x10046518, 0x1001d050, 0x2) ["Resour
ces.c":898, 0x432a3c]
5 XtSetValues(0x1001d050, 0x2, 0x10004a40, 0x1, 0x0) ["Resources.c":1008, 0x4
32e54]
6 .block4 ["controlpanel.c":343, 0x400c00]
7 Controlpanel_Titlebar_Init(parent_Wgt = 0x10045ed4) ["controlpanel.c":343,
0x400c00]
8 .block8 ["xwebster.c":141, 0x401e98]
9 main(argc = 1, argv = 0x7fffeb14) ["xwebster.c":141, 0x401e98]
Any hints as to how to get this working?
--Bruce
----------------------------------------------------
Bruce M. Cameron bmc@bru.mayo.edu
Medical Sciences 1-14 (507) 284-3288
Mayo Foundation WD9CKW
Rochester, MN 55905
----------------------------------------------------rdong@MSRI.ORG (Rui-Tao Dong) (01/04/91)
Can somebody tell me where can I find a wester server in the Bay Area? I'm currently using bespin.harvard.edu, which is a bit slow. Thanks! -- Regards, ------------------------------------------------------------------------- Rui - Tao Dong | (415) 237 - 7628 (H) 110 Lakeshore Court | (415) 643 - 6048 (O) Richmond, CA 94804 | rdong@borel.msri.org