diane@drao.nrc.ca (Diane Parchomchuk) (02/22/91)
I would like to ask for recommendations for PC servers both public domain and commercial. I would also ask if anyone has used any software which is to be avoided to let me know. I know of the T.Roell's server on expo - are users happy with it, is it easy to use,... Same questions apply to other products. I wish to be able to run on 80386 pc's with vga monitor plus ethernet card with generic tcp/ip. Thanks Diane
vsarkela@csc.fi (02/26/91)
Because there has been so many inquiries about X servers for PC:s, so here
it is:
---- Excerpt from Frequently Asked Questons (part 2) in comp.windows.x.motif --
Subject: 28)* Where can I get an X server on a PC?
AGE (619-565-7373) offers the XoftWare TIGA.
Bell Technologies (Fremont, CA: 415-659-9097)
PC DECWindows a.k.a. the PC DECWindows Display Facility is an MS-DOS
application that turns your PC into an X11R3 terminal. It supports DECnet.
Available from DEC. [Dennis Giokas (giokas@mosaic.enet.dec.com), 3/90]
HP (800-752-0900) has the "HP Accelerated X Window Display Server"
(HP AXDS/PC; HP part D2300B) which will run on any AT-class DOS machine with
640KB, MSDOS 3.1 or higher, and the HP Intelligent Graphics Controller 10 card,
to which the X11R3-based server is downloaded (avoiding performance-limitations
from PC RAM-size and processor speed). [from John Kempff (kempff@hppad.hp.com),
3/90]
Hummingbird Communications (Canada 416-470-1203) produces the
HCL-eXceed and HCL-eXceed Plus for EGA, VGA, and VGA+ controllers.
Information Network Solutions also offers a product called HCL-eXceed
for the *86. The fax is 02-4122079 inside Australia, 612-4122079 from overseas.
Integrated Inference Machines (714-978-6201 or -6776) is shipping
X11/AT, an X server that runs under MS-windows. The server converts an IBM-AT
into an X terminal which can simultaneously run MS-DOS and Microsoft Windows
applications.
Intelligent Decisions, Inc. (Sunnyvale, CA: 408-734-3730)
IBM is rumored to offer a product; part #5709-029.
Locus Computing (800-955-6287; CA: 213-670-6500; UK: +44 296 89911) has
a server called PC-Xsight (MSDOS) which also appears in Acer's X terminal.
Metrolink Inc. (+1-305-566-9586, sales@metrolink.com; in Europe contact
ADNT, (33 1) 3956 5333) ships an implementation of X11R4 for several 386
systems.
Pericom's TeemTalk-X for IBM clones allows toggling between X and DOS.
Information: +44 (0908) 560022. [5/90]
DESQview/X from Quarterdeck (?) incorporates X into the DESQview
multi-tasking DOS environment.
SpectraGraphics/GSS (503-641-2200) makes PC-Xview, an
MSDOS-based X server which interfaces with PC/TCP Plus networking software from
FTP Software and Excelan's LAN WorkPlace for DOS. The server works with
(a) 286, 386, 486 (b) EGA, VGA, DGIS displays. (c) DOS 3.2 and above
(d) Microsoft, Logitech, Mouse Systems Mice (e) 640k memory up to 16 MB memory
[the PC-Xview/16 is available for PCs with extended memory].
VisionWare's XVision is a Microsoft Windows-based X server which allows
an IBM-compatible PC or PS/2 to display X clients running on a networked
computer at the same time as local DOS programs. VisionWare is at 612-377-3627
or vision@vware.mn.org (UK: +44 532 788858 and vware@vision.uucp).
Xnth is an implementation of X11 R4 which runs on AT-bus PCs running
DOS 3.3 or higher. It currently supports 1280X1024 or 1024X768 resolution
monitors at 256 colors (out of 16M) with hardware accelleration for graphics
and text operations. It currently utilizes a TCP/IP byte stream over Ethernet.
Information: Jerry Norman, Nth Graphics, Ltd., 1-800-624-7552.
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I would also be interested hearing comments regarding performance, bugs &
features.
I have tried PC-Xview v. 2.1 and PC-Xsight v. 2.1.3 and found the following:
- PC-Xview crashes when run against DEC 5000/200 Ultrix 4.0 Rev. 179, UWS 4.0
4.0 Rev. 164 clients (those dx* pgms), also with SAS v. 6.07.01
- PC-Xview runs fine against Interactive 386's clients, also when first
logged into ix386 and then rlogin into DEC 5000 there are no problems
- PC-Xview can be configured for any display card by specifying x*y:mode
- PC-Xsight runs fine with Ultrix 4.0 clients
- if you want to use better resolution than standard VGA, then you must have
a display card which is on their support list (ca. 15)
- entering text from keyboard was *very* slow when using himem.sys & SAS,
with QEMM it was ok
- performance is acceptable & comparable, PC-Xsight slightly faster (no actual
measurements)
- tested on Mitac 20MHz 386 8 MB & Toshiba 3100 4 MB with WD8003E & ftp Inc's
PC/TCP v. 2.05 & QEMM386 5.11 & MSDOS 3.3
- from XVision's finnish agent I learned, that there is also trouble with
XVision & Ultrix 4.0 clients (probably DEC's font names)
DESQView/X might be the ultimate X server for PC, but it seems to be availabe
in second quarter of '91 (perhaps still later ??)....
#include <std_disclaimer.h>
Vesa Sarkela Keskuslaboratorio Oy
vsarkela@opmvax.csc.fi Finnish Pulp & Paper Research Institutecampbell@dev8h.mdcbbs.com (Tim Campbell) (03/01/91)
In article <199*diane@drao.nrc.ca>, diane@drao.nrc.ca (Diane Parchomchuk) writes: > I would like to ask for recommendations for PC servers both public > domain and commercial. I would also ask if anyone has used any software > which is to be avoided to let me know. > > I know of the T.Roell's server on expo - > are users happy with it, is it easy to use,... > Same questions apply to other products. > > I wish to be able to run on 80386 pc's with vga monitor plus ethernet > card with generic tcp/ip. > > Thanks > Diane -- I happen to be on IBMLink last night and noticed that IBM has a couple packages. They have an X Client package for the PC that runs under DOS. They also have an X server package that runs on PS/2s with AIX. The prices for the packages were (list) around $475-495 - owners of the earlier versions could upgrade for about half that. I guess the idea here is that you can use the DOS boxes as X terminals connected to the X server (and of course they'd just love for you to buy their version of Unix running on their machine - but I don't think this is a requirement). If you think this may be what you're looking for, reply to my ID and I'll get more specific information (in fact, I'll probably just download the announcement letters and mail them to you). -Tim --------------------------------------------------------------------------- In real life: Tim Campbell - Electronic Data Systems Corp. Usenet: campbell@dev8.mdcbbs.com @ McDonnell Douglas M&E - Cypress, CA also: tcampbel@einstein.eds.com @ EDS - Troy, MI CompuServe: 71631,654 Prodigy: MPTX77A P.S. If anyone asks, just remember, you never saw any of this -- in fact, I wasn't even here.