dww@stl.UUCP (David Wright) (09/26/85)
Results of the net.vms vote 26th September, 1985
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The flow of votes has at last almost halted, so this is the final
count. I declare the vote CLOSED. There have been 99 votes - 88 to 10
in favour of net.vms, with 1 abstention.
RECOMMENDATION: THE GROUP net.vms BE CREATED.
Several replies stressed the desirability of having the ARPA list
INFO-VAX (or INFO-VMS if this exists yet) both-way gatewayed with
net.vms, as opposed to the present "read-only" group fa.info-vax. Sites
not on the ARPANET often find it hard or impossible to send items to
the ARPA mailing list coordinator. Those who are on ARPANET would like
to be sure that anything sent to net.vms reaches the ARPA mailing list
too.
RECOMMENDATION: net.vms BE BOTH-WAY GATEWAYED WITH ARPA INFO-VMS.
There were some suggestions that net.vms.sources, net.vms.wanted,
net.vms.c etc. would be needed eventually. This would depend on the
success of net.vms; I believe it would be premature to create them now.
RECOMMENDATION: SUBGROUPS OF net.vms BE CONSIDERED IN 3 MONTHS TIME IF
THEY SEEM NECESSARY THEN.
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The vote count is: VOTES %
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YES 88 89
NO 10 10
ABSTAIN 1 1
Total 99 100
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TOTALS 88 10 1
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ACTION:
I leave this to spaf@gatech and his fellow net.gurus, who will also
decide on the exact name and organisation of the group. I have not the
knowledge, authority or intent to create net.vms myself.
NOTE on gatewaying: spaf informs me that the ARPA--USENET gateways for
several fa. groups are about to change to two-way working, as mod.
groups. Hopefully INFO-VMS (or -VAX) could be gatewayed to net.vms
(or mod.vms ??) at that time. I understand the "moderator" would
actually be a program at the gateway machine, the mod rules being
necessary to ensure that every message on one side appears exactly once
on the other. There could be more than one such gateway, to avoid very
long paths to/from the nearest gateway - of special concern for people
with trans-Atlantic or trans-Pacific mail costs to the USA!
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Details follow:
In accordance with recent suggestions for ensuring honest voting, here
is the full list of people who have given me votes on this issue, in
order of their arrival at stl. I have tried to precis their comments,
if any, into one line each. Having done it, I think that mailing such
a list should be a required part of every net vote; it hurts to count
votes against your pet idea and I can easily imagine people wanting to
leave a few out!
I will mail the full text as received to anyone wanting to see it; as
there is over 3000 lines of it I hope there will not be too many, and
that the first American requestor will agree to forward it to any
others there.
From: VOTE: YES NO ABS
Comment:
dww@stl (David Wright) YES 1
[Initial proposal to net - I can vote for myself can't I?]
John "Rainbow" Messenger <jlm@611b.UUCP> YES 1
datlog!dlvax2!dan YES 1
Esp. intersted in LANs with both UNIX and VMS machines
geoff@idec.UUCP (Geoff Whale) YES 1
unido!ecrcvax!snoopy YES 1
People near us run VMS ... we hate VMS but should tolerate it
Alastair Scobie <ajs@cstvax.ed.ac.uk> YES 1
We have a super-improved SHOW USERS ...
George D M Ross <gdmr@cstvax.ed.ac.uk> YES 1
Robert J Gautier (on Aberystwyth Research VAX)<rjg@cs.aber.ac.uk>YES 1
Have UNIX and also VMS (4.1)
Dave Berry <db@cstvax.ed.ac.uk> YES 1
fons@mcvax.uucp YES 1
Can EARN (European BITNET) users read USENET news?
mcvax!seismo!harvard!lhasa!stew YES 1
aplvax!aplcen!lwt1@maryland.arpa YES 1
mcvax!seismo!rochester!srs!news YES 1
"I vote yes to net.vms (it rhymes)"
Oliver Schoett <os@cstvax.ed.ac.uk> ABSTAIN 1
Suggests net.systems.vms or net.sys.vms or net.os.vms
mcvax!seismo!harvard!panda!dpn YES 1
"It would be great to have one place for vms stuff to go"
control@almsa-1.arpa YES 1
IFF it replaces fa.info-vax and is both-way gatewayed <==>
ARPA Info-Vax list (else no)
mcvax!seismo!harvard!sesame!slerner YES 1
mcvax!seismo!allegra!mp YES 1
ARPA INFO-VAX may be split into INFO-VAX and INFO-VMS;
if so gateway net.vms <==> INFO-VMS
prlb2!seismo!cmcl2!lanl!dhk YES 1
fa.info-vax is not quite VMS enough
mcvax!seismo!hao!jon YES 1
"I would subscribe to it"
mcvax!seismo!ihnp4!watmath!jmsellens YES 1
mcvax!decvax!minow YES 1
"Of course, I'm a tad biased"
From: unido!uklirb!joa NO 1
VMS specific articles can be discussed in existing groups
From: mcvax!decvax!ucbvax!ucdavis!deneb!ccrdave YES 1
As someone who prefers VMS to UNIX, PLEASE, YES
Has anyone an srogue for VMS 4.1?
From: mcvax!decvax!decwrl!muscat!dellinge YES 1
From: R D Boyle <roger@ulcs.uucp> YES 1
VMS and UNIX at Leeds for 4 years, there's a lot to talk about
From: mcvax!seismo!allegra!aluxz!rad3 YES 1
From: mcvax!seismo!ihnp4!uw-beaver!uw-june!jon YES 1
From: mcvax!seismo!sun!jacksun!dcj NO 1
fa.info-vax covers vms quite well
From: mcvax!seismo!ihnp4!iitcs!draughn YES 1
Would have been a lot of help when we upgraded to version 4.x
From: ceri@hrc63.uucp YES 1
"the new group is ESSENTIAL"
(but should be net.vax, net.vax.vms, net.vax.unix)
From: mcvax!philabs!pjs YES 1
From: mcvax!seismo!allegra!aluxz!glennw YES 1
"(I am a VMS user not a lover)"
From: mcvax!seismo!topaz!pyramid!csg YES 1
"We don't use VMS, nor do our downstream sites -- exactly why
we would like to see net.vms formed"
Eventually subgroups net.vms.sources, net.vms.c, etc. ?
From: mcvax!seismo!ihnp4!terak!asuvax!system YES 1
In time net.vms.source, net.vms.wanted etc. may be required
From: mcvax!seismo!allegra!tektronix!aeolus!robr YES 1
From: mcvax!seismo!ihnp4!otto!carl YES 1
From: sjc@ucls.uucp YES 1
Many of our users only use U**x for news, main work on V*S
From: mcvax!decvax!wanginst!ss YES 1
A strong maybe. fa.info-vax gets to our site; I send by csnet
[Ed.: replied I'd count this yes unless he objected; he hasn't]
From: mcvax!decvax!decwrl!glacier!ender YES 1
From: fderavi@cybavax.uucp YES 1
From: mcvax!seismo!allegra!gamma!pyuxww!pyuxhh!olga YES 1
From: mcvax!seismo!scgvaxd!dean YES 1
From: mcvax!seismo!ihnp4!pur-ee!pucc-k!rsk NO 1
"having once used VMS for several hellish months"
From: mcvax!seismo!ihnp4!cadsys!mike YES 1
a loud *YES*
From: mcvax!seismo!scgvaxd!engvax!kvc (Kevin Carosso) YES 1
"my VMS system -----^
From: mcvax!seismo!mcnc!ecsvax!bishop YES 1
we get fa.info-vax but read-only groups are not my favorite
From: mcvax!seismo!mcnc!ecsvax!khj YES 1
(we are receiving an 8600 this month)
From: mcvax!seismo!mcnc!ecsvax!mxc YES 1
15 vaxen on campus, only 1 UNIX ... enjoy link to USENET/news
From: mcvax!seismo!mcnc!ecsvax!jcw YES 1
would it be reasonable to have net.vms.sources ?
From: Tony Li @hpbbn.uucp,@hplabs.uucp:@sdcrdcf.uucp:tli@oberon.uucp
Plus consider gateway to fa.info-vax YES 1
From: mcvax!seismo!ihnp4!qantel!hplabs!oliveb!long YES 1
From: mcvax!seismo!rochester!rocksanne!sunybcs!canisius!mikey YES 1
From: mcvax!seismo!mcnc!ecsvax!btt YES 1
YES YES VMS
From: mcvax!seismo!allegra!uw-beaver!tektronix!azure!jimbi YES 1
From: mcvax!seismo!allegra!uw-beaver!tektronix!zeus!chriso YES 1
We try to use UNIX for what it was designed for (code dev't)
and VMS for what it was designed for (production work).
From: mcvax!seismo!allegra!uw-beaver!tektronix!dadla!jamesp YES 1
From: enea!liuida!pjn (P J Nilsson Linkoping Sweden) YES 1
also YES to gatewaying with fa.info-vax
From: mcvax!seismo!ihnp4!stolaf!baskina YES 1
From: mcvax!decvax!rsp NO 1
From: sasaki@harvard.ARPA (Marty Sasaki) NO 1
not really necessary ... INFO-VAX is almost completely about
VMS and is gatewayed into fa.info-vax
From: Gebhard Przyrembel <@unido.uucp:przy@uklirb.uucp> YES 1
From: mcvax!decvax!genrad!panda!talcott!wjh12!biomed!simon YES 1
... I work with both VMS and Unix and think its long overdue.
From: mcvax!decvax!dartvax!doug YES 1
From: mcvax!seismo!harvard!pyuxjj!jemcd YES 1
From: mcvax!decvax!decwrl!dec-rhea!dec-lite!prohaska YES 1
>From: jeff@rtech.UUCP (Jeff Lichtman) YES 1
(info-vax) fine on ARPANET ... but us on uucpnet can't post ..
>From: rcb@rti-sel.UUCP (Random) YES 1
yes Yes! YES!!!!!!!
From: mcvax!i2unix!luigif YES 1
From: mcvax!seismo!ihnp4!uw-beaver!uw-june!gordon YES 1
I vote yes: create net.vms.
From: mcvax!seismo!harpo!inmet!mazur NO 1
... net.decus can meet the needs of VMS,RSX and RSTS users ...
From: wolfe@kim.dec YES 1
Presently I wade thro the unix looking for the good stuff (VMS)
From: mcvax!seismo!ihnp4!tektronix!tekcae!griff YES 1
fa.info-vax, net.decus about the only groups I read regularly
From: mcvax!decvax!utcsri!mcgill-vision!mouse YES 1
I vote yes, add net.vms.
From: mcvax!seismo!ihnp4!dicomed!meccts!ahby NO 1
Not for any real good reason, but I like to read the VMS ...
mixed with the unix ... if you separate them you may loose ...
From: mcvax!seismo!allegra!uw-beaver!tektronix!teklds!juanr YES 1
From: mcvax!seismo!allegra!uw-beaver!tektronix!midas!chriss YES 1
From: mcvax!seismo!topaz!pyramid!t12tst!chip NO 1
Interested in VMS but vote "NO" .... suggest use net.eunice
From: mcvax!seismo!harvard!prime!htf NO 1
A NO vote here.
From: mcvax!seismo!lll-crg!vecpyr!amd!amdcad!cae780!leadsv!rhode YES 1
... primary interest in UNIX is USENET so that I can read
about VMS. net.decus is for DECUS users (not all VAX/VMS
users are DECUS users), fa.info-vax is fed primarily by ARPA
hosts (not all VAX/VMS systems are on the ARPANET) ...
neither -specifically- for VMS users. "net.vms" ... should
draw in many people that avoid net.decus and fa.info-vax
From: mcvax!penet!julf (Finland) YES 1
From: tyers@trlamct.amct.trl.oz YES 1
Having vms articles shotgunned can be a pain in the neck
From: rowe@runx.oz YES 1
YES lets get these vaxen where I can ignore them easily
From: mcvax!philabs!mcnc!ncsu!uvacs!uvaee!jaj YES 1
We are forced to keep one of these beasts alive for cad sw.
From: mcvax!seismo!osu-eddie!sutter YES 1
would like gateway with fa.info-vax/fa.info-vms esp real 2-way
gateway without duplications
From: mcvax!seismo!mcnc!duke!dbl YES 1
From mcvax!seismo!allegra!clyde!watmath!utzoo!hcrvax!hcradm!andystc! 1
** YES ** for net.vms YES
From: jam@moncskermit.oz YES 1
We all need *cheap*, efficient, reliable way to connect VMS to
Unix net. ... (re fa gateway) posters to fa.info-vax would
need to be more VMS specific or VAX-Unix users would loose out
From: mcvax!seismo!cmcl2!lanl!sct YES 1
From: mcvax!decvax!yetti!eriks YES 1
From: mcvax!decvax!yetti!oz YES 1
* YES YES YES YES YES YES YES YES *
From: mcvax!seismo!gmu90x!holt YES 1
From: mcvax!seismo!ihnp4!stolaf!umn-cs!rossow YES 1
From: mcvax!seismo!rochester!ur-tut!tuba YES 1
Someday usenet will talk to this University's vms's machines.
I can't post to fa.info-vax without arpa connections or
mysterious syntax elements on my net addressing.
From: mcvax!seismo!ut-sally!shell!graffiti!peter NO 1
If you reply to an fa message it will be gatewayed.
[Ed. - not from rn - it tries to mail SENDER, and usually fails]
From: sutter@osu-eddie.UUCP YES 1
would prefer faster turnaround than postings to CSnet-ARPAnet
gateway, then info-vax@wherever, then ARPA gateway, then wait
for Usenet to propagate it back so I know if original
posting went out OK. If anxiously awaiting a response, it can
be @i(quite) frustrating ... think several other Ohio State
University VMS site managers feel the same ...
From: mcvax!decvax!wanginst!infinet!emacs!chris YES 1
From: mcvax!okstate!rjs YES 1
From: paul@greipa.UUCP (Paul A. Vixie) YES 1
TOTALS 88 10 1
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