[comp.windows.x] SUMMARY: MOTIF for SUN

timv@ccad.uiowa.edu (Timothy VanFosson) (05/02/91)

In article <1991Apr16.143713.15141@ccad.uiowa.edu> I wrote:
>Our research center has standardized upon MOTIF as the GUI for all
>software produced by the center.  Some of our industrial participants
>have Sun workstations, and as we do not want to get into the
>MOTIF support business, we would like to find a third-party source
>where they can obtain MOTIF for Sun workstations.  If you know of,
>or have experience with, third-party MOTIF solutions for Sun (or
>any other vendor), I would appreciate hearing from you.
>

Many thanks to the following for their responses.

Randolph Back, rback@boulder.Colorado.edu
Danny Backx, db@sunbim.be
David L. Brooks, dob@inel.gov
Denise Greenberg, denise@unipalm.co.uk
Capt. Dave Grootwassink, grootwass@tawc1.eglin.af.mil
Bill Kamp, v0549@gravity.cray.com
David B. Lewis, david@lta.com
Amotz Maimon, amotz@amil.co.il
Tris Orendorff, tris@alzabo.ocunix.on.ca
Larry Poleshuck, ibism!raven!lcp@uunet.UU.NET
Brook Schoenfield, bschoen@well.sf.ca.us
Bill Steer, cognac!gtsn01!caerws@sunpitt.East.Sun.COM


Here is a summary of what they said:
---
Randolph Back, rback@boulder.Colorado.edu

> We use Motif from XTech, a British company.
> Their US distributor is Advanced Technology Corporation (ATC)
> in Laguna Hills , CA (714) 583-9119.
> 
> There is a review of MOTIF implementations for the Sun in a recent Unix World.
> However, their listing of US distributors for XTech omits ATC.

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Bill Kamp, v0549@gravity.cray.com

> My company, Interactive Network Technologies supports Motif 1.1 on the
> Sun. We sell a self installing set of tapes that include the Sun
> executable for XWindows and Motif 1.1. The cost is $1250 plus a $100
> per workstation license, or an all you can eat license for $2500.  You
> are responsible for purchasing the binary licenses directly from OSF
> for $40 each.  Our main business is authoring special purpose widgets
> for Motif, but we have on occasion installed Motif for our customers.
> If you are not a widget customer of ours, we only offer phone support
> after installation. However, we do offer a Motif class if you are
> interested.
> 
> We offer a low-budget alternative to Integrated Computer Solutions. (I
> recommend ICS if you will need a high degree of support.)
> 
> Bill Kamp
> Integrated Network Technologies
> (612) 681-0502
> 12904 Hamlet Ave.
> Apple Valley, MN 55124

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Amotz Maimon, amotz@amil.co.il

> A quote for the Motif FAQ:
> 
> Subject:  1) Where can I get Motif?
> 
> Answer: [This tries to mirror FAQ of comp.windows.x Send changes to
> xug@expo.lcs.mit.edu]
>     Various hardware vendors produce developer's toolkits of binaries, header
> files, and documentation; check your hardware vendor, particularly if that
> vendor is an OSF member. Systems known to be shipping now: HP (sans UIL), Apollo
> (sans UIL), SCO, ISC, Mips (RISCwindows=X11R3 + full Motif), IBM, Data General
> for AViioNs (includes UIL), Bull (?), Concurrent Computer Corporation 5000,
> 6000, 8000 series machines.
> 
>     In addition, independent binary vendors produce Motif toolkits . ICS makes
> several binary kits, notably for Sun, DEC, Apple; Quest (408-988-8880) sells
> kits for Suns, as well; IXI (+44 223 462 131) offers kits for Sun3 (SunOS 3.5 or
> later, and Sun4 (SunOS 4.0.1 or later). Unipalm XTech (+44 954211862; or Aurora
> Technologies 617-577-1288 in USA) offers a binary kit for Suns based on Motif
> 1.1, with shared libraries.  NSL (+33 (1) 43 36 77 50; requests@nsl.fr) offers
> kits for the Sun 3 and Sun 4.
> 
>   The kits include varied levels of bug-fixing and support for shared libraries.
> BIM (Fax : +32(2)759.47.95) offer Motif 1.1 for Sun-3, Sun-4, Sun-386i. Includes
> shared libraries.  Metrolink Inc. (+1-305-566-9586, sales@metrolink.com; in
> Europe contact ADNT, (33 1) 3956 5333) ships an implementation of X11R4 and
> Motif 1.1 for several 386 systems.
> 
>     An OSF/Motif source license must be obtained from OSF before source can be
> obtained from the Open Software Foundation. Call the Direct Channel Desk at OSF
> at 617-621-7300 or email direct@osf.org for ordering information.
> 
> -------------------------------------------------------------------------------
> 
> My personal experience with `Quest' was very discouraging is terms of company
> support and commitment. It took me a month to convince them to hand us an
> evaluation copy, And I had troubles installing it. It was 1.0 version, so we
> gave it up.

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Denise Greenberg, denise@unipalm.co.uk

> Hello. I saw your message about Motif for Sun workstations. We
> offer a Motif Developer's Kit for Sun systems.
> 
> Unipalm Ltd.
> 145-147 St. Neots Road
> Hardwick, Cambridge CB3 7QJ
> England

> Phone: +44-954-211-797
> FAX:   +44-954-211-244
> e-mail: denise@unipalm.co.uk

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David B. Lewis, david@lta.com

> There are several, as listed in the comp.windows.x FAQ. I believe the
> product from Unipalm (+44 0954 211862, Cambridge UK) is recognized as among
> the best.

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Tris Orendorff, tris@alzabo.ocunix.on.ca
Brook Schoenfield, bschoen@well.sf.ca.us
Bill Steer, cognac!gtsn01!caerws@sunpitt.East.Sun.COM

...all said basically the same thing as David does below.

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David L. Brooks, dob@inel.gov

> The March 91 issue of Unix World has a very nice, long article on exactly
> this subject.  it would be unfair to you to summarize it :-).  it's the
> cover story, and starts on page 52.  perhaps a friend or colleague, or even
> the university library, has a copy you could peruse...

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Capt. Dave Grootwassink, grootwass@tawc1.eglin.af.mil

>    They can get it directly from the OSF.  I have a number for thier federal
> sales office, but they may be able to point you in the right direction. 
> 
> Open Software Foundation
> 620 Herndon Parkway
> Suite 200
> Herndon, VA 22070
> 
> (703) 481-9819
 
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Larry Poleshuck, ibism!raven!lcp@uunet.UU.NET

> We've been using the Quest distribution on Sun's.  Quest has full
> Motif 1.1 with X11R4 and X11R3 for compatibility.  The provide you
> with all the binaries for all of the MIT clients and contrib's.  We've
> had no problems with any of the software except for some hastles with
> their license manager software.  
> 
> ICS also has the binaries.
> 
> Our contact at Quest is Andrew Sachs: 408-496-1993.
> 

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Danny Backx, db@sunbim.be

> We offer the following :
> 
> 	Motif 1.1 binaries for Sun4 (SPARC), Sun3, and Sun386i.
> 
> The package is a full development system, including SHARED LIBRARY support.
> This means that the executables included use shared libraries, and that it is
> possible for you to create programs which use these shared libraries also.
> 
> Technical restrictions :
> 	1. In order to use Motif 1.1, you need an X11r4 with patchlevel 18
> 	   or higher. (Current patch level is 18.)
> 	2. You need SunOS 4.0.3 or higher for Sun3 and Sun4. You need SunOS
> 	   4.0.2 for Sun-386i.
> 
> We ship Motif 1.1 for the following prices :
> 	US$ 500 for a binary tape (one architecture), including the right to
> 		use on one CPU.
> 	US$ 125 for right to use on an additional CPU.
> 
> We ship X11r4 binaries for US$ 400. Tapes are also one architecture. The
> 	version you get will be up to date with the current MIT patch level.
> 
> Ordering information :
> 	You can order by sending us a copy (by fax if desired) of your signed
> 	order form.
> 	Our coordinates are :
> 	phone	+32(2)759.59.25
> 	fax	+32(2)759.47.95
> ordering address:
> 
> 		Jean-Pierre MEZOSY
> 		BIM
> 		Kwikstraat, 4
> 		B-3078 Everberg
> 		BELGIUM

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We got a copy of the UnixWorld article (thanks, David) and have decided
on using the ICS product (based mainly on support issues).  If anyone
is interested, ask me in a few weeks, and I should be able to give you
an idea how well it is working.

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