timv@ccad.uiowa.edu (Timothy VanFosson) (05/02/91)
In article <1991Apr16.143713.15141@ccad.uiowa.edu> I wrote: >Our research center has standardized upon MOTIF as the GUI for all >software produced by the center. Some of our industrial participants >have Sun workstations, and as we do not want to get into the >MOTIF support business, we would like to find a third-party source >where they can obtain MOTIF for Sun workstations. If you know of, >or have experience with, third-party MOTIF solutions for Sun (or >any other vendor), I would appreciate hearing from you. > Many thanks to the following for their responses. Randolph Back, rback@boulder.Colorado.edu Danny Backx, db@sunbim.be David L. Brooks, dob@inel.gov Denise Greenberg, denise@unipalm.co.uk Capt. Dave Grootwassink, grootwass@tawc1.eglin.af.mil Bill Kamp, v0549@gravity.cray.com David B. Lewis, david@lta.com Amotz Maimon, amotz@amil.co.il Tris Orendorff, tris@alzabo.ocunix.on.ca Larry Poleshuck, ibism!raven!lcp@uunet.UU.NET Brook Schoenfield, bschoen@well.sf.ca.us Bill Steer, cognac!gtsn01!caerws@sunpitt.East.Sun.COM Here is a summary of what they said: --- Randolph Back, rback@boulder.Colorado.edu > We use Motif from XTech, a British company. > Their US distributor is Advanced Technology Corporation (ATC) > in Laguna Hills , CA (714) 583-9119. > > There is a review of MOTIF implementations for the Sun in a recent Unix World. > However, their listing of US distributors for XTech omits ATC. --- Bill Kamp, v0549@gravity.cray.com > My company, Interactive Network Technologies supports Motif 1.1 on the > Sun. We sell a self installing set of tapes that include the Sun > executable for XWindows and Motif 1.1. The cost is $1250 plus a $100 > per workstation license, or an all you can eat license for $2500. You > are responsible for purchasing the binary licenses directly from OSF > for $40 each. Our main business is authoring special purpose widgets > for Motif, but we have on occasion installed Motif for our customers. > If you are not a widget customer of ours, we only offer phone support > after installation. However, we do offer a Motif class if you are > interested. > > We offer a low-budget alternative to Integrated Computer Solutions. (I > recommend ICS if you will need a high degree of support.) > > Bill Kamp > Integrated Network Technologies > (612) 681-0502 > 12904 Hamlet Ave. > Apple Valley, MN 55124 --- Amotz Maimon, amotz@amil.co.il > A quote for the Motif FAQ: > > Subject: 1) Where can I get Motif? > > Answer: [This tries to mirror FAQ of comp.windows.x Send changes to > xug@expo.lcs.mit.edu] > Various hardware vendors produce developer's toolkits of binaries, header > files, and documentation; check your hardware vendor, particularly if that > vendor is an OSF member. Systems known to be shipping now: HP (sans UIL), Apollo > (sans UIL), SCO, ISC, Mips (RISCwindows=X11R3 + full Motif), IBM, Data General > for AViioNs (includes UIL), Bull (?), Concurrent Computer Corporation 5000, > 6000, 8000 series machines. > > In addition, independent binary vendors produce Motif toolkits . ICS makes > several binary kits, notably for Sun, DEC, Apple; Quest (408-988-8880) sells > kits for Suns, as well; IXI (+44 223 462 131) offers kits for Sun3 (SunOS 3.5 or > later, and Sun4 (SunOS 4.0.1 or later). Unipalm XTech (+44 954211862; or Aurora > Technologies 617-577-1288 in USA) offers a binary kit for Suns based on Motif > 1.1, with shared libraries. NSL (+33 (1) 43 36 77 50; requests@nsl.fr) offers > kits for the Sun 3 and Sun 4. > > The kits include varied levels of bug-fixing and support for shared libraries. > BIM (Fax : +32(2)759.47.95) offer Motif 1.1 for Sun-3, Sun-4, Sun-386i. Includes > shared libraries. Metrolink Inc. (+1-305-566-9586, sales@metrolink.com; in > Europe contact ADNT, (33 1) 3956 5333) ships an implementation of X11R4 and > Motif 1.1 for several 386 systems. > > An OSF/Motif source license must be obtained from OSF before source can be > obtained from the Open Software Foundation. Call the Direct Channel Desk at OSF > at 617-621-7300 or email direct@osf.org for ordering information. > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- > > My personal experience with `Quest' was very discouraging is terms of company > support and commitment. It took me a month to convince them to hand us an > evaluation copy, And I had troubles installing it. It was 1.0 version, so we > gave it up. --- Denise Greenberg, denise@unipalm.co.uk > Hello. I saw your message about Motif for Sun workstations. We > offer a Motif Developer's Kit for Sun systems. > > Unipalm Ltd. > 145-147 St. Neots Road > Hardwick, Cambridge CB3 7QJ > England > Phone: +44-954-211-797 > FAX: +44-954-211-244 > e-mail: denise@unipalm.co.uk --- David B. Lewis, david@lta.com > There are several, as listed in the comp.windows.x FAQ. I believe the > product from Unipalm (+44 0954 211862, Cambridge UK) is recognized as among > the best. --- Tris Orendorff, tris@alzabo.ocunix.on.ca Brook Schoenfield, bschoen@well.sf.ca.us Bill Steer, cognac!gtsn01!caerws@sunpitt.East.Sun.COM ...all said basically the same thing as David does below. --- David L. Brooks, dob@inel.gov > The March 91 issue of Unix World has a very nice, long article on exactly > this subject. it would be unfair to you to summarize it :-). it's the > cover story, and starts on page 52. perhaps a friend or colleague, or even > the university library, has a copy you could peruse... --- Capt. Dave Grootwassink, grootwass@tawc1.eglin.af.mil > They can get it directly from the OSF. I have a number for thier federal > sales office, but they may be able to point you in the right direction. > > Open Software Foundation > 620 Herndon Parkway > Suite 200 > Herndon, VA 22070 > > (703) 481-9819 --- Larry Poleshuck, ibism!raven!lcp@uunet.UU.NET > We've been using the Quest distribution on Sun's. Quest has full > Motif 1.1 with X11R4 and X11R3 for compatibility. The provide you > with all the binaries for all of the MIT clients and contrib's. We've > had no problems with any of the software except for some hastles with > their license manager software. > > ICS also has the binaries. > > Our contact at Quest is Andrew Sachs: 408-496-1993. > --- Danny Backx, db@sunbim.be > We offer the following : > > Motif 1.1 binaries for Sun4 (SPARC), Sun3, and Sun386i. > > The package is a full development system, including SHARED LIBRARY support. > This means that the executables included use shared libraries, and that it is > possible for you to create programs which use these shared libraries also. > > Technical restrictions : > 1. In order to use Motif 1.1, you need an X11r4 with patchlevel 18 > or higher. (Current patch level is 18.) > 2. You need SunOS 4.0.3 or higher for Sun3 and Sun4. You need SunOS > 4.0.2 for Sun-386i. > > We ship Motif 1.1 for the following prices : > US$ 500 for a binary tape (one architecture), including the right to > use on one CPU. > US$ 125 for right to use on an additional CPU. > > We ship X11r4 binaries for US$ 400. Tapes are also one architecture. The > version you get will be up to date with the current MIT patch level. > > Ordering information : > You can order by sending us a copy (by fax if desired) of your signed > order form. > Our coordinates are : > phone +32(2)759.59.25 > fax +32(2)759.47.95 > ordering address: > > Jean-Pierre MEZOSY > BIM > Kwikstraat, 4 > B-3078 Everberg > BELGIUM --- We got a copy of the UnixWorld article (thanks, David) and have decided on using the ICS product (based mainly on support issues). If anyone is interested, ask me in a few weeks, and I should be able to give you an idea how well it is working. --tv -- Timothy VanFosson E-mail : timv@ccad.uiowa.edu Senior Systems Analyst US Mail : CAD-Research University of Iowa 228 ERF Phone : (319) 335-5728 Iowa City, Iowa 52242