guerra@cae.llnl.gov (Frank M. Guerra) (06/11/91)
I've been waiting for someone to beg the question on why running an Open Look application under twm, or anything but olwm fails. It always complains about certain fonts not being found. Okay, so someone figures that the .ff fonts in /usr/openwin/lib/fonts need to be converted to .snf in order to be recognized. Well, apparently, that's not quite it either. So, is there any workarounds, or is this just the way it is? I know that certain things like pushpins go away, but I would expect that. Insights anyone? Frank fmguerra@llnl.gov
stripes@eng.umd.edu (Joshua Osborne) (06/12/91)
In article <99199@lll-winken.LLNL.GOV> guerra@cae.llnl.gov (Frank M. Guerra) writes: >I've been waiting for someone to beg the question on why running an Open Look >application under twm, or anything but olwm fails. It always complains about >certain fonts not being found. Okay, so someone figures that the .ff fonts in >/usr/openwin/lib/fonts need to be converted to .snf in order to be recognized. >Well, apparently, that's not quite it either. So, is there any workarounds, or >is this just the way it is? I know that certain things like pushpins go away, but >I would expect that. Insights anyone? It works fine for me. Are you sure you have all the OW fonts? What error messages do you get? -- stripes@eng.umd.edu "Security for Unix is like Josh_Osborne@Real_World,The Multitasking for MS-DOS" "The dyslexic porgramer" - Kevin Lockwood "CNN is the only nuclear capable news network..." - lbruck@eng.umd.edu (Lewis Bruck)
cnbr17@vaxa.strath.ac.uk (06/13/91)
In article <1991Jun12.003134.19814@eng.umd.edu>, stripes@eng.umd.edu (Joshua Osborne) writes: > In article <99199@lll-winken.LLNL.GOV> guerra@cae.llnl.gov (Frank M. Guerra) writes: >>I've been waiting for someone to beg the question on why running an Open Look >>application under twm, or anything but olwm fails. It always complains about >>certain fonts not being found. Okay, so someone figures that the .ff fonts in >>/usr/openwin/lib/fonts need to be converted to .snf in order to be recognized. >>Well, apparently, that's not quite it either. So, is there any workarounds, or >>is this just the way it is? I know that certain things like pushpins go away, but >>I would expect that. Insights anyone? Hi, I don't know much about using other window managers, but I suspect the problem with the fonts is due to you running under X rather than Xnews. I run a lot of OpenLook applications under vanilla X -- cmdtools, filemgr, mailtool and the calendar manager being the main ones. I had to mess about with the fonts to get them to work properly -- particularly for cm. Here's what I did: 1. Use convertfont to dump all of the OW fonts as BDF fonts. 2. Use bdftosnf to get the SNF fonts 3. Use mkfontdir to create fonts.dir in the new font directory. 4. Add the following lines to fonts.alias (in our case this was in /usr/lib/X11/fonts/misc): screen.r.9 -b&h-lucida-medium-r-normal-sans-*-120-**-*-*-*-* Helvetica helvetica-12 -b&h-lucida-medium-r-normal-sans-9-90-75-75-p-58-iso8859-1 lucidasans-10 -b&h-lucida-bold-r-normal-sans-9-90-75-75-p-58-iso8859-1 lucidasans-bold-10 Figuring out which aliases to use for the last part was the most difficult. Basically I had to look at the error messages I was getting (ie which fonts the server couldn't find), then look at the files Synonyms.list and Compat.list in $OPENWINHOME/lib/fonts to find out the full names of those fonts, and then add the appropriate aliases. Hope this is of use to you, Peter. -- ================================================================================ Peter Duffy |JANET: p.duffy@uk.ac.strath.vaxa EEE Dept. |Internet:p.duffy%vaxa.strath.ac.uk@nsfnet-relay.ac.uk Strathclyde University|BITNET: p.duffy%vaxa.strath.ac.uk@UKACRL Glasgow G1 1XW |UUCP: p.duffy%vaxa.strath.ac.uk@ukc.uucp Scotland. | ================================================================================
bill@polygen.uucp (Bill Poitras) (06/14/91)
In article <99199@lll-winken.LLNL.GOV> guerra@cae.llnl.gov (Frank M. Guerra) writes: >I've been waiting for someone to beg the question on why running an Open Look >application under twm, or anything but olwm fails. It always complains about >certain fonts not being found. Okay, so someone figures that the .ff fonts in >/usr/openwin/lib/fonts need to be converted to .snf in order to be recognized. I have never had problems running OpenLook application under the xnews server and twm. The window manager doesn't have anything to do with fonts, that the server's problem. Now if I read you right I think your problem is "Running Open Look apps using server other than XNEWS". Insights: - Your server doesn't have the the Open Look glyph or cursor fonts. - Your server doesn't have the other fonts used by XView programs. - If you're running MIT X11R4 (patchlevel 18), your fonts aren't setup right. You need to tell us exactly what messages you see when you try to run Open Look application, so we can give you further insights. Suggestions: - Describe your situation more completely +-----------------+---------------------------+-----------------------------+ | Bill Poitras | Polygen Corporation | {princeton bu}!polygen!bill | | (bill) | Waltham, MA USA | - This space for rent - | | | FAX (617)890-8694 | bill@polygen.com | +-----------------+---------------------------+-----------------------------+
guerra@cae.llnl.gov (Frank M. Guerra) (06/17/91)
In article <1132@redford.UUCP> bill@redford.UUCP (Bill Poitras(X258)) writes: >In article <99199@lll-winken.LLNL.GOV> guerra@cae.llnl.gov (Frank M. Guerra) writes: >>I've been waiting for someone to beg the question on why running an Open Look >>application under twm, or anything but olwm fails. It always complains about >>certain fonts not being found. Okay, so someone figures that the .ff fonts in >>/usr/openwin/lib/fonts need to be converted to .snf in order to be recognized. > >I have never had problems running OpenLook application under the xnews >server and twm. The window manager doesn't have anything to do with >fonts, that the server's problem. Now if I read you right I think your >problem is "Running Open Look apps using server other than XNEWS". >Insights: >- Your server doesn't have the the Open Look glyph or cursor fonts. >- Your server doesn't have the other fonts used by XView programs. >- If you're running MIT X11R4 (patchlevel 18), your fonts aren't setup right. > You need to tell us exactly what messages you see when you try to run > Open Look application, so we can give you further insights. > >Suggestions: >- Describe your situation more completely Okay, I'll do just that... This is the error message that I am used to seeing: OPEN LOOK Toolkit Error in application "Xtranslator": Could not find default OP EN LOOK button font: Resolution: d Point Size: 12 From what I've learned from others is that window managers don't give a hoot about fonts (although olwm does prefer having the Lucida font available.) What really confused me was the fact that my configuration will use the MIT R4 server when I am using twm, and the X11/NeWS server when I am running olwm. It is the server that handles the fonts. Fine. As you stated, the xnews server and twm get along just fine. I can just change modify things such that I use twm while running the X11/NeWS server. Open Look applications appear no problem; no pushpins mind you, but I would expect that. However, the error message comes up when I am running the MIT R4 server. I've just stated a solution for my Sun, but not for my Mac running MacX. This is obviously a font problem that I have not been able to resolve by setting environment or resource variables. The only lead that I have is to use the 'convertfont' utility supplied with OpenWindows 2.0 to create BDF format files of the fonts found in $OPENWINHOME/lib/fonts for use by the R4 server. I don't know what to do about the Mac yet, I haven't looked into its font structure. I've you have any suggestions or insights, they would be appreciated. Frank fmguerra@llnl.gov
fischer@iesd.auc.dk (Lars P. Fischer) (06/21/91)
>>>>> On 10 Jun 91 18:34:52 GMT, guerra@cae.llnl.gov (Frank M. Guerra) said:
Frank> I've been waiting for someone to beg the question on why
Frank> running an Open Look application under twm, or anything but
Frank> olwm fails. It always complains about certain fonts not being
Frank> found.
All the basic OPEN LOOK fonts are available with the XView
distribution from MIT. I advise that you get these fonts and install
them in your X11 font directory. A number of applications from Sun
makes use of additional fonts (odd sizes). The calendar Manager is
notorious here.
Several people around here use twm with both X11R4 (MIT server) and
Open Windows 2.0 with no problems.
/Lars
--
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CS Dept., Univ. of Aalborg, DENMARK. | these things. -- Calvinferrara@esacs.UUCP (Giancarlo Ferrara) (06/25/91)
> >Insights: > >- Your server doesn't have the the Open Look glyph or cursor fonts. > >- Your server doesn't have the other fonts used by XView programs. > >- If you're running MIT X11R4 (patchlevel 18), your fonts aren't setup right. > [.....] > This is the error message that I am used to seeing: > > OPEN LOOK Toolkit Error in application "Xtranslator": Could not find default OP > EN LOOK button font: > Resolution: d Point Size: 12 I have the SAME problem with ANY *OLIT* appls no matter how the server/wm combination. - xnews with olwm or mwm - Xsun (R4PL18) with olwm/mwm - NCD19/NCD15 with olwm/mwm Note that there is *NO* problem with xview appls and all the user env appls; The only "strange" think i have done is to chose a "non standard" installation not installing the whole kit. On X my fonts (glyphs and cursor) are present and accessible (xfd displays all fine) Giancarlo uunet!i2unix!esacs!ferrara
sinkwitz@ifi.unizh.ch (Rainer Sinkwitz) (06/26/91)
In article <159@esacs.UUCP> ferrara@esacs.UUCP (Giancarlo Ferrara) writes: >> >Insights: >> >- Your server doesn't have the the Open Look glyph or cursor fonts. >> >- Your server doesn't have the other fonts used by XView programs. >> >- If you're running MIT X11R4 (patchlevel 18), your fonts aren't setup right. >> >[.....] >> This is the error message that I am used to seeing: >> >> OPEN LOOK Toolkit Error in application "Xtranslator": Could not find default OP >> EN LOOK button font: >> Resolution: d Point Size: 12 > >I have the SAME problem with ANY *OLIT* appls no matter how the server/wm >combination. > >- xnews with olwm or mwm >- Xsun (R4PL18) with olwm/mwm >- NCD19/NCD15 with olwm/mwm > There are strange things about OLIT2.0 if you compare it to XView: 1. It uses another set of fonts (Available with the OpenWindow X11/News server or on export as OLITfonts..., can be converted by convertfont ) 2. It has another look ( no 3D, will change ) 3. It has another method for drag&drop (not compatible with XView, will change) I hope all this will change with Olit2.5 or Olit3.0 . At present you will have to install the OLITfonts for your server if you are not using Sun's X11/NeWS server. The fonts are named like this: a12biluc12.bdf b12sbarv12.bdf d12iluci14.bdf f12bluci10.bdf g12sldrv12.bdf a12bluci10.bdf b12sldrh12.bdf d12lucid14.bdf f12butto12.bdf h12bluci12.bdf a12butto12.bdf b12sldrv12.bdf d12sbarh12.bdf f12lucid12.bdf h12butto12.bdf a12iluci12.bdf c12bluci12.bdf d12sbarv12.bdf f12sbarh12.bdf h12iluci12.bdf a12lucid10.bdf c12butto12.bdf d12sldrh12.bdf f12sbarv12.bdf h12lucid12.bdf a12sbarh12.bdf c12iluci12.bdf d12sldrv12.bdf f12sldrh12.bdf h12sbarh12.bdf a12sbarv12.bdf c12lucid12.bdf e12bluci10.bdf f12sldrv12.bdf h12sbarv12.bdf a12sldrh12.bdf c12sbarh12.bdf e12butto12.bdf g12bluci10.bdf h12sldrh12.bdf a12sldrv12.bdf c12sbarv12.bdf e12lucid10.bdf g12butto12.bdf h12sldrv12.bdf b12bluci10.bdf c12sldrh12.bdf e12sbarh12.bdf g12lucid10.bdf b12butto12.bdf c12sldrv12.bdf e12sbarv12.bdf g12sbarh12.bdf b12lucid12.bdf d12bluci14.bdf e12sldrh12.bdf g12sbarv12.bdf b12sbarh12.bdf d12butto12.bdf e12sldrv12.bdf g12sldrh12.bdf Greetings... -- Rainer Sinkwitz | E-mail: sinkwitz@ifi.unizh.ch Dept. of Computer Science | sinkwitz%ifi.unizh.ch@relay.eu.net University of Zuerich | {backbone}!mcsun!unizh!sinkwitz
biggers@wolves.uucp (Mark Biggers) (06/28/91)
In article <159@esacs.UUCP> ferrara@esacs.UUCP (Giancarlo Ferrara) writes: >> >Insights: >> >- Your server doesn't have the the Open Look glyph or cursor fonts. >> >- Your server doesn't have the other fonts used by XView programs. >> >- If you're running MIT X11R4 (patchlevel 18), your fonts aren't setup right. >> >[.....] >> This is the error message that I am used to seeing: >> >> OPEN LOOK Toolkit Error in application "Xtranslator": Could not find default OP >> EN LOOK button font: >> Resolution: d Point Size: 12 > >I have the SAME problem with ANY *OLIT* appls no matter how the server/wm >combination. > >- xnews with olwm or mwm >- Xsun (R4PL18) with olwm/mwm >- NCD19/NCD15 with olwm/mwm > >Note that there is *NO* problem with xview appls and all the user env appls; > >The only "strange" think i have done is to chose a "non standard" installation >not installing the whole kit. > >On X my fonts (glyphs and cursor) are present and accessible (xfd displays >all fine) > >Giancarlo >uunet!i2unix!esacs!ferrara My insight: I'm running X11R4, patchlevel 18 from MIT as my default setup on a Sun 4/110FCE, SunOS 4.1. I also have OpenWindows installed in /home/openwin, with my "path" var set up to pick up OW apps as desired. I have no problems running any of the XView clients (except Calendar Manager, and a font alias fix was posted here for that). BUT, OLIT fonts weren't shipped with MIT X, so you gotta do the following: 1. "convertfont" (RTM) the d12* fonts in /home/openwin/lib/fonts to bdf fonts, taking care of the brain damage in "convertfont" to truncate font names in the process.... 2. "bdftosnf" these fonts for each X server (on each machine ) you have running about your installation. My friends locally need to do this for a DG Aviion, Mac X and their Solbourne; I just did it for my Sun... 3. Move the .snf font files to /usr/lib/X11/fonts/misc (if you want), do a "mkfontdir ." in that directory, and then add to your fonts.alias file in that dir as follows: d12bluci d12bluci-14 d12butto d12butto-12 d12iluci d12iluci-14 d12NAlucid d12lucid-14 d12sbarh d12sbarh-12 d12sbarv d12sbarv-12 d12sldrh d12sldrh-12 d12sldrv d12sldrv-12 (I don't like the d12lucid-14 font supplied with the d12 OLIT fonts, so I used this alias in /usr/lib/X11/fonts/75dpi/fonts.alias: d12lucid -b&h-lucida-medium-r-normal-sans-12-120-75-75-p-71-iso8859-1 Hmm, now that I see this, I realize I should have done the same for the corresponding bold and italic styles. Left as an exercise for the reader...) 4. Issue a "xset fp rehash" to cause the X server to reread the font databases 5. Enjoy OLIT wherever you use an X server ;^) :^(.... If you get stuck, send me mail... --mark -- Mark Biggers Internet: biggers%wolves@cs.duke.edu Usenet: ...!mcnc!wolves!biggers (mcnc.org) <standard disclaimers apply>