imd@ihlpl.UUCP (01/16/87)
Let's say I purchase MINIX, only to find that my IBM/AT-clone falls in the 20% that Andy said MINIX would not run on. Will Prentice-Hall graciously accept the return of the software? Thanks. Ira Dworkin AT&T Bell Labs Naperville, IL ihnp4!ihlpl!imd
ado@elsie.UUCP (Arthur David Olson) (01/19/87)
> Let's say I purchase MINIX, only to find that my IBM/AT-clone falls > in the 20% that Andy said MINIX would not run on. Will Prentice-Hall > graciously accept the return of the software? > ... > Ira Dworkin > AT&T Bell Labs Let's say I purchase UNIX, only to find that my IBM/AT-clone falls in the percentage of machines that UNIX would not run on. Will AT&T graciously accept the return of the software? -- UNIX is a registered trademark of AT&T. PC and AT are trademarks of IBM. I realize that Ira Dworkin was writing as an individual, not as an AT&T representative, in the original posting. -- UUCP: ..decvax!seismo!elsie!ado ARPA: elsie!ado@seismo.ARPA DEC, VAX, Elsie & Ado are Digital, Borden & Ampex trademarks.
tes@whuts.UUCP (STERKEL) (01/20/87)
In article <7318@elsie.UUCP>, ado@elsie.UUCP (Arthur David Olson) writes: > > Let's say I purchase UNIX, only to find that my IBM/AT-clone falls > in the percentage of machines that UNIX would not run on. Will AT&T > graciously accept the return of the software? AT&T sells UNIX (tm) only for its UNIX (tm) PCs, 3B1, 3700, 3B2, and the AT&T 6300+. Did I miss something? I have seen no announcements for AT&T UNIX(tm) for IBM-AT, clones or otherwise. Please send me the product announcement if I am wrong and I will research the and post the refund policies; otherwise, please admit the cheap shot. -- ----- Terry Sterkel -====---- AT&T Bell Laboratories --------- {harvard|allegra|ulysses|ihnp4}!whuts!tes ----- [opinions are obviously only my own]
tim@ism780c.UUCP (Tim Smith) (01/21/87)
In article <7318@elsie.UUCP> ado@elsie.UUCP (Arthur David Olson) writes: >> Let's say I purchase MINIX, only to find that my IBM/AT-clone falls >> in the 20% that Andy said MINIX would not run on. Will Prentice-Hall >> graciously accept the return of the software? > > Let's say I purchase UNIX, only to find that my IBM/AT-clone falls > in the percentage of machines that UNIX would not run on. Will AT&T > graciously accept the return of the software? What does AT&T have to do with Prentice-Hall? If you are trying to say that they have the same return policy, then why don't you just say so? -- Religion: just say "no" Tim Smith USENET: sdcrdcf!ism780c!tim Compuserve: 72257,3706 Delphi or GEnie: mnementh
jtr485@umich.UUCP (Johnathan Tainter) (01/21/87)
In article <7318@elsie.UUCP>, ado@elsie.UUCP writes: > > Let's say I purchase MINIX, only to find that my IBM/AT-clone falls > > in the 20% that Andy said MINIX would not run on. Will Prentice-Hall > > graciously accept the return of the software? > > Ira Dworkin > Let's say I purchase UNIX, only to find that my IBM/AT-clone falls > in the percentage of machines that UNIX would not run on. Will AT&T > graciously accept the return of the software? If AT&T were marketing UNIX for 100 bucks a pop you bet your balls they would. Good and cheap p.r. is hard to come by. At the higher pricing scheme, it is expected more caution will be taken, and total sales will be smaller thus the frequency of this occurence will go down. That makes a refunding policy cost prohibitive. --j.a.tainter
dan@prairie.UUCP (Daniel M. Frank) (01/22/87)
In article <1223@whuts.UUCP> tes@whuts.UUCP (STERKEL) writes: >I have seen no announcements for AT&T >UNIX(tm) for IBM-AT, clones or otherwise. Please send me the >product announcement if I am wrong and I will research the >and post the refund policies; otherwise, please admit the >cheap shot. Microport Systems of Scotts Valley, CA. sells AT&T System V/286 (System V Release 2) under the name System V/AT, for the PC/AT and compatibles. Thus, this is not officially sold by AT&T, but, if we are to believe the ubiquitous copyright notices, is certainly AT&T Unix (System V/286 forms the basis for the 6300+ Unix that IS sold by AT&T). I suspect, in answer to the original question, that Microport would try very hard (i.e. put programmers on it) to make SV/AT work with almost any reasonable compatible, and as a last resort would probably take the package back. I cannot be sure, however. If you're interested, you can call them at 1-800-722-8649. By the way, as a comparison, this OS sells for about $400, complete. Minix sounds great as far as it goes, but if you have an AT and would like to use extended memory (and large model programs, or didn't you notice?), this might be a better choice. -- Dan Frank uucp: ... uwvax!prairie!dan arpa: dan%caseus@spool.wisc.edu
deh@eneevax.UUCP (Douglas Humphrey) (01/23/87)
In article <401@prairie.UUCP> dan@prairie.UUCP (Daniel M. Frank) writes: >In article <1223@whuts.UUCP> tes@whuts.UUCP (STERKEL) writes: >>I have seen no announcements for AT&T >>UNIX(tm) for IBM-AT, clones or otherwise. Please send me the >>product announcement if I am wrong and I will research the >>and post the refund policies; otherwise, please admit the >>cheap shot. > > Microport Systems of Scotts Valley, CA. sells AT&T System V/286 >(System V Release 2) under the name System V/AT, for the PC/AT and >compatibles. Thus, this is not officially sold by AT&T, but, if >we are to believe the ubiquitous copyright notices, is certainly >AT&T Unix (System V/286 forms the basis for the 6300+ Unix that Microport's System V is NOT!! the version sold by AT&T for the 6300 Plus. But since Microport did their work from the Intel port of vanilla SysV for the '286 commissioned by AT&T, utilities are compatible between the two. Microport's kernel won't run on the 6300 Plus due to its incomplete AT compatibility. Bob Halloran, Consultant ------------------------------------------------------------------ UUCP: ..rutgers!unirot!halloran DDD: 201-251-7514 eve ET Internet: unirot!halloran@rutgers.edu ATTMail: RHALLORAN Disclaimer: My opinions are my own. Quote: "When the going gets weird, the weird turn pro." - Hunter Thompson -- *-----------------------------------------------------------------------------* * Doug Humphrey Digital Express Inc. 6411 Ivy Lane Greenbelt MD USA 20770 * * Voice: 202/220-2020 Arpa: deh@eneevax * *-----------------------------------------------------------------------------*
dan@prairie.UUCP (Daniel M. Frank) (01/25/87)
In article <593@eneevax.UUCP> halloran@unirot (Robert Halloran) writes: >In article <401@prairie.UUCP> dan@prairie.UUCP (Daniel M. Frank) writes: >>(System V/286 forms the basis for the 6300+ Unix that --------------- > > Microport's System V is NOT!! the version sold by AT&T for >the 6300 Plus. But since Microport did their work from the Intel >port of vanilla SysV for the '286 commissioned by AT&T, utilities >are compatible between the two. I think you misunderstood. My claim was that SysV/286 was the starting point for both products. The 6300+ product is in fact packaged much differently, with HoneyDanBer UUCP, and, I think, the ksh, as well as the SimulTask DOS bridge software. I could be wrong about the original claim. Clearly they both start with the original AT&T source code, and since the AT&T copyright appears on the 286 code as well, I believe there is a common ancestor. -- Dan Frank uucp: ... uwvax!prairie!dan arpa: dan%caseus@spool.wisc.edu
tes@whuts.UUCP (01/25/87)
In article <401@prairie.UUCP*>, dan@prairie.UUCP (Daniel M. Frank) writes: *> In article <1223@whuts.UUCP> tes@whuts.UUCP (STERKEL) writes: *> >Please send me the *> >product announcement if I am wrong and I will research the *> >and post the refund policies; otherwise, please admit the *> >cheap shot. *> *> Microport Systems of Scotts Valley, CA. sells AT&T System V/286 *> (System V Release 2) under the name System V/AT, for the PC/AT and *> compatibles. Thus, this is not officially sold by AT&T, No go, if it is not *sold* by AT&T with AT&T logos, etc. I am off the hook. (Am I GLAD I added those conditions! :-) A minor side issue, I did not say I was going to call around to verify claims of AT&T products. Please note (as stated in original posting) that I will follow up "product announcements" *sent* to me. With the product announcement in my hands (photocopy will do), I stand a chance of doing a good job of running down the product manager and getting answers. Obviously, "I think I know of...." does not cut it. Final Note: This is a Minix newsgroup, please e-mail me if you want to follow-up. I will give out my full address to anyone with product announcements. IF there are results, even embarrasing ones, I will put it in comp.sys.ibm.pc. and try my hand at getting into the mod.sys.ibm.pc. It is unfair to the Minix crowd to tie up their newsgroup. -- ----- Terry Sterkel -====---- AT&T Bell Laboratories --------- {harvard|allegra|ulysses|ihnp4}!whuts!tes ----- [opinions are obviously only my own]
johnw@astroatc.UUCP (01/29/87)
In article <7318@elsie.UUCP> ado@elsie.UUCP (Arthur David Olson) writes: >PC and AT are trademarks of IBM. *NO****************NO*******************NO* PC means "Personal Computer" which includes Mac's, Atari's, Amiga's, etc.etc.etc. "IBM-PC" may be an ibm tm, but not "PC" by itself John W and the committee to stomp out the miss-use of the term "PC" - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Name: John F. Wardale UUCP: ... {seismo | harvard | ihnp4} !uwvax!astroatc!johnw arpa: astroatc!johnw@rsch.wisc.edu snail: 5800 Cottage Gr. Rd. ;;; Madison WI 53716 audio: 608-221-9001 eXt 110 To err is human, to really foul up world news requires the net!
rpw3@amdcad.UUCP (01/31/87)
My understanding (*) is that P-H *will* return your $80 if MINIX doesn't
run on your clone. Quote attributed to the P-H folks in the booth at
Uniforum: "We're not out to screw anybody".
(* From talking with people during USENIX + talking to P-H @ Uniforum + gossip)
Rob Warnock
Systems Architecture Consultant
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USPS: 627 26th Ave, San Mateo, CA 94403pritch@osupyr.UUCP (02/03/87)
In article <119@astroatc.UUCP> johnw@astroatc.UUCP (John F. Wardale) writes: >In article <7318@elsie.UUCP> ado@elsie.UUCP (Arthur David Olson) writes: >>PC and AT are trademarks of IBM. > >*NO****************NO*******************NO* > >PC means "Personal Computer" which includes Mac's, Atari's, > Amiga's, etc.etc.etc. > >"IBM-PC" may be an ibm tm, but not "PC" by itself > > John W and the committee to stomp out the > miss-use of the term "PC" > >- - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - >Name: John F. Wardale >UUCP: ... {seismo | harvard | ihnp4} !uwvax!astroatc!johnw And depending on who you talk to someone might says its a protocol converter or a programmable controller.