Leisner.Henr@xerox.com (Marty) (02/10/89)
Does anyone have a copy of gres which works on BSD Unix? I want to unshar Minix shell archives on a BSD machine (actually a masscomp, (sorta BSD?)), and the standard gres won't compile on this Unix (the regexp.h seem to be incompatible). Before I start looking for what the problem is, I'd figured I'd give net land a holler and save me a few hours (I never really knew how the regexp() routines work and the difference between Sys V / BSD /Minix implementations). BTW, where did gres come from? Was it standard on Version 7? marty ARPA: leisner.henr@xerox.com GV: leisner.henr NS: martin leisner:wbst139:xerox UUCP: hplabs!arisia!leisner
ncoverby@ndsuvax.UUCP (Glen Overby) (02/10/89)
In article <8413@louie.udel.EDU> Leisner.Henr@xerox.com (Marty) writes: >Does anyone have a copy of gres which works on BSD Unix? Yes and no. I hacked up a sed script which works for unsharing old-Minix shar files. Here it is: #!//bin/ksh # minix gres clone sed "s/$1/$2/g" >and the standard gres won't compile on this Unix (the regexp.h seem to be >incompatible). That is strange. Where exactly did the regexp library come from? It seems to me that it was added in v1.2 from a net posting. At one time I had gres running on our 4.3BSD VAX. >BTW, where did gres come from? Was it standard on Version 7? I don't belive so. I think it is unique to Minix. Glen Overby ncoverby@plains.nodak.edu uunet!ndsuvax!ncoverby ncoverby@ndsuvax (Bitnet)
fdg@sorsac.UUCP (20SO940210) (02/11/89)
In article <8413@louie.udel.EDU> Leisner.Henr@xerox.com (Marty) writes: >Does anyone have a copy of gres which works on BSD Unix? I want to unshar >Minix shell archives on a BSD machine (actually a masscomp, (sorta BSD?)), If your request is only for a copy of gres to run on BSD unix, I can't help you but if your aim is to unshar a file that uses gres, I would suggest that you use sed. I alwas modify the gres command line to use sed. If the gres command is gres '^X' '' > README << '/' change it to be either sed 's/^X//' > README << '/' or sed '/^X/s///' > README << '/' I posted this to the net because I have see several other questions about unsharing without gres. Fred Gant PHONE: 404 573-6567 AT&T Network Systems UUCP: {gatech|att|akgua}!sorsac!fdg Atlanta, GA
ast@cs.vu.nl (Andy Tanenbaum) (02/11/89)
In article <2110@ndsuvax.UUCP> ncoverby@ndsuvax.UUCP (Glen Overby) writes: > >In article <8413@louie.udel.EDU> Leisner.Henr@xerox.com (Marty) writes: >>BTW, where did gres come from? Was it standard on Version 7? >I don't belive so. I think it is unique to Minix. Actually, gres was standard in V6. It was included in MINIX 1.1 instead of sed because the former was available and the latter was not. Andy Tanenbaum (ast@cs.vu.nl)
willy@idca.tds.PHILIPS.nl (Willy Konijnenberg) (02/12/89)
In article <8413@louie.udel.EDU> Leisner.Henr@xerox.com (Marty) writes: >BTW, where did gres come from? Was it standard on Version 7? > I never heard of it before MINIX, but I recently found that it is also in the MKS toolkit, a collection of unixy programs on MS-DOS. The portability section of the man page didn't mention any unix version that it was derived from. Only that it is a sed subset. All other MKS man pages mention unix compatibility, so I guess gres was not taken from any unix version. Now was MINIX gres inspired by MKS, or the other way around, or is there still a third party involved? Just curious... -- Willy Konijnenberg <willy@idca.tds.philips.nl>
creps@silver.bacs.indiana.edu (Steve Creps) (02/12/89)
This seems to work on Ultrix (csh) for unsharing shell archives that
call for gres, since having to edit a shar file defeats the purpose of
using unshar. Put the following shell script into your bin, calling it
gres:
#!/bin/csh
sed s/$1/$2/
- - - - - - - - - -
Steve Creps, Indiana University, Bloomington, home of the "Hoosiers"
creps@silver.bacs.indiana.edu (129.79.1.6)
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creps@iubacs.bitnet (forwarded)alan@oetl.UUCP (Alan Strassberg) (02/13/89)
>>BTW, where did gres come from? Was it standard on Version 7? >> >I never heard of it before MINIX, but I recently found that it is also [] >Just curious... "There was once a program called gres that did simple substitution, but it expired almost immediately when sed was born" Quote from paragraph about "why do we have both sed and grep ?" From The Unix Programming Environment by Kernighan and Pike page 111. -- =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- Alan Strassberg UUCP: alan@oetl ..{leadsv,pyramid}!oetl!alan Lockheed, Santa Cruz, Ca. work (408) 425-6126 =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-
mbunca@ecsvax.UUCP (Mark J. Boyd) (02/13/89)
The current discussion of gres triggered a memory of seeing it mentioned. I just followed up on that memory. Page 111 of 'The UNIX Programming Environment' says "Programs do die, however. There was once a program called gres that did simple substitution, but it expired almost immediately when sed was born." Mark Boyd, University of North Carolina - Asheville, NC 28804
mboen@nixpbe.UUCP (Martin Boening) (02/13/89)
Please DON'T!!!
Actually, the MINIX-Community is trying to switch to shell-archives that
use SED instead of GRES. So just wait a while and don't encourage the people
using gres to continue doing so. A sed.c and a new shar.c were posted
by ast and should be available to all Minix users.
To unshar current shars, just replace those
gres '^X'' (or so)
by
sed "s/^X//"
(can be done by sed also, I think)
and you can unshar 99% of the Minix files on your machine.
Try it.
Martin
Email:
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USA: ...!uunet!linus!nixbur!mboening.paddokos@inmet (02/14/89)
Kernighan & Pike report that there once was a gres on (pre-version 7) Unix that was abandoned soon after sed came into use. I would expect that to be the "inspiration" for Minix (and other) gres's. Nick Dokos dokos@inmet.inmet.com uunet!inmet!dokos
wheels@mks.UUCP (Gerry Wheeler) (02/14/89)
In article <175@ssp11.idca.tds.philips.nl>, willy@idca.tds.PHILIPS.nl (Willy Konijnenberg) writes: > In article <8413@louie.udel.EDU> Leisner.Henr@xerox.com (Marty) writes: > >BTW, where did gres come from? Was it standard on Version 7? > I never heard of it before MINIX, but I recently found that it is also > in the MKS toolkit, a collection of unixy programs on MS-DOS. > Now was MINIX gres inspired by MKS, or the other way around? I asked around here to see if anyone knew of this. The concensus is that gres is older than sed, which pretty much replaces it. It may never have been part of the Unix distribution, although we do have a man page somewhere around here for it. It doesn't seem to get much use, but for simple things I find gres commands easier to type than sed commands. -- Gerry Wheeler Phone: (519)884-2251 Mortice Kern Systems Inc. UUCP: uunet!watmath!mks!wheels 35 King St. North BIX: join mks Waterloo, Ontario N2J 2W9 CompuServe: 73260,1043 -- Gerry Wheeler Phone: (519)884-2251 Mortice Kern Systems Inc. UUCP: uunet!watmath!mks!wheels 35 King St. North BIX: join mks Waterloo, Ontario N2J 2W9 CompuServe: 73260,1043
poole@forty2.UUCP (Simon Poole) (02/16/89)
In article <201@nixpbe.UUCP> mboen@nixpbe.UUCP (Martin Boening) writes: ....... >Actually, the MINIX-Community is trying to switch to shell-archives that >use SED instead of GRES. So just wait a while and don't encourage the people >using gres to continue doing so. A sed.c and a new shar.c were posted >by ast and should be available to all Minix users. ....... Good joke, in particular as ST-Minix still has gres and the old shar (yes I have sed etc., but if I shar something for distribution via the net, I want to produce something that is usable by people that have only a of the shelf Minix setup). -- ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- UUCP: ...mcvax!cernvax!forty2!poole Simon Poole BITNET: K538915@CZHRZU1A ----------------------------------------------------------------------------
ast@cs.vu.nl (Andy Tanenbaum) (02/17/89)
In article <639@forty2.UUCP> poole@forty2.UUCP (Simon Poole) writes: >I have sed etc., but if I shar something for distribution via the net, >I want to produce something that is usable by people that have only a >of the shelf Minix setup). If you post something to this newsgroup, I think you can assume the readers have sed and the new shar. This makes the files easily unsharable on UNIX systems. Anyone not having the sed-based shar or sed.c can get them by sending me email. Andy Tanenbaum (ast@cs.vu.nl)
bet@dukeac.UUCP (Bennett Todd) (02/18/89)
Just for the sheer archaeology of it all, I rooted around my manuals archives and discovered that neither gres nor sed is mentioned in my May 1975 Sixth Edition UNIX Programmer's Manual, while my PWB/UNIX (May 1977) and Seventh Edition (January 1979) both include sed and omit gres, so appearantly it came and went between May '75 and May '77. RIP. -Bennett bet@orion.mc.duke.edu